[Game] Kings @ Sixers 10/01/12

Good thing that's not what I argued or said in that thread - that's what was manipulated by others, including yourself.

I said (and I can quote if you'd like) that outside of Marcus Thornton, and with the exclusion of Tyreke and DMC because of their youth and other factors, who on the Kings is a reliable NBA-quality starter?

And I was attacked and labelled a troll for it.
That's reality - not retconning, or monday-morning quarterbacking.

KF's were WRONG on that thread, and ignoring that is not going to make the Kings problems go away - they don't have a competitive team on the court, because outside of MT, Tyreke and DMC when they are playing well, they don't have anyone who can step up and significantly compete on a night-to-night basis.

Trading away the ONLY proven King who could (Beno, undeniably with years of proof on the Kings court) was a HUGE mistake we are now blatantly seeing.

Apologies should be in order, to be honest : KF's was WRONG. I was RIGHT, based on proven performances on the court thus far this year.
Glad you cleared that up. I thought what you'd said had been twisted into a straw man but i couldn't recall for sure.
 
Well....For Reke, last season was a bust. He had injuries that pretty much made the whole year a wash, as for Cousins, dude is just in his second year! And he's showing improvement! Also, you cant disregard the fact that we had a HORRIBLE coach retarding the growth of the youngins.
I'm thinking it has more to do with the supporting cast Westbrook/Durant have than the coach or how long they've been playing. OKC is just a better built team top to bottom and that helps their two stars be able to excel.
 

Bricklayer

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How long do we keep saying well on their way? Durant/Westbrook didn't take this long. I see this a really important year for the Kings in terns of Tyrekle and DeMarcus. If we're still saying "they're well on their way" going into next year then we're in trouble.
Durant/Westbrook didn't take until they were 2nd/3rd year players? How about we let them be old enough to graduate from college.
 
Durant/Westbrook didn't take until they were 2nd/3rd year players? How about we let them be old enough to graduate from college.
That's my point, really. Evans/Cousins are now 2nd/3rd year but they aren't nearly as good as Westbrook/Durant were at that same time in their careers. To be fair though, Evans/Cousins have had to deal with inferior coaching and team construction.
 
WHOA!

Keith Smart just threw the strength-and-conditioning coach (Shapiro) under the bus!!

He answered that "the reason we don't get back on transitional defense is because they aren't in shape - and that they're going to get in shape."

Uh - I don't know of anyone else involved in the Kings' players conditioning and stamina, other than Shapiro.

Can anyone else imagine who else is to blame for the Kings players being admitted by the coach to across-the-board not be in shape?
The players for not doing the exercise needed?
Management, for tying Shapiro's hands and not allowing him to FORCE the guys to do cardio?
What else?

Maybe I'm projecting here, because I've wanted Shapiro gone for a long time and I can't stand that after YEARS of Kings teams that are in worse shape and have more injuries than other teams, yet he still gets a complete pass.
But I don't see who else is to blame for this situation - that Coach Smart can't rely on his players to get back on defense during the game because "they aren't in good shape."
uh no. Shapiro doesn't do game type cardio. You can only get so far on a treadmill. The rest comes in practice and gameday. More a shot at westfail for the last two years.
 
You can also make a legitimate argument that the organization that a player is drafted to has an effect on their development. Their growth is dependent on the coaching staff and the system they are integrated into and how the front office/management is running the organization. I can't imagine Derrick Rose being an MVP if the Kings were able to draft him.

I always believed that this aside from talent was a big part of what makes a player successful in the league.
 
Fell asleep when we were down two...woke up and we are down by 30+..wow, glad I missed it. Terrible. Thankfully we have a game tomorrow, hopefully the team shows up.
 
Well well well... Another year, same ol story..

This team is absolute garbage. It disgusts me to know that i've spent this much money and this much of my time on this pathetic excuse for a basketball team. The Kings are embarrassing and are a JOKE of the league.

I mean, damn, the front office must not be doing their jobs well - to have a pitiful team like the Kings year after year after year...

We've seen enough games so far this season to see that this years addition of John Salmons, JJ Hickson, and Chuch Hayes was a waste of time. I do like Chuck, but this trio all together is trash. We go from year to year, with little to no improvement.

Another season of being down at the bottom... We'll end up the 2nd worst team in the league, will grab the 5th draft pick, pick some question mark, throw in some fillers, and head into the next season. It's so evident already. That's what our FO does every damn year. (almost forgot, also hire another wannabe coach to run this team)

It's too bad that the team is owned by some cheap losers..because the arena talks are going well and this GARBAGE we see on the court kills any optimism that I have.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Good thing that's not what I argued or said in that thread - that's what was manipulated by others, including yourself.

I said (and I can quote if you'd like) that outside of Marcus Thornton, and with the exclusion of Tyreke and DMC because of their youth and other factors, who on the Kings is a reliable NBA-quality starter?

And I was attacked and labelled a troll for it.
That's reality - not retconning, or monday-morning quarterbacking.

KF's were WRONG on that thread, and ignoring that is not going to make the Kings problems go away - they don't have a competitive team on the court, because outside of MT, Tyreke and DMC when they are playing well, they don't have anyone who can step up and significantly compete on a night-to-night basis.

Trading away the ONLY proven King who could (Beno, undeniably with years of proof on the Kings court) was a HUGE mistake we are now blatantly seeing.

Apologies should be in order, to be honest : KF's was WRONG. I was RIGHT, based on proven performances on the court thus far this year.

After you get done eliminating a team's three best players even most fo the good teams no longer have obvious starters for other good teams.

Setting aside LeBron, Wade and Bosh, how many other Heat players start for good teams. Maybe Battier. But even he has spent the last couple of years on good teams and coming off the bench. Boston and Chicago probably have 4 guys. The Lakers have 3. The Knicks have 3. You talk about straw men. Your qualification critieria mean half the league is in the same boat, and certainly any team that relies on a trio of stars. Phil Jackson has 11 rings with that structure.
 
Well well well... Another year, same ol story..

This team is absolute garbage. It disgusts me to know that i've spent this much money and this much of my time on this pathetic excuse for a basketball team. The Kings are embarrassing and are a JOKE of the league.

I mean, damn, the front office must not be doing their jobs well - to have a pitiful team like the Kings year after year after year...

We've seen enough games so far this season to see that this years addition of John Salmons, JJ Hickson, and Chuch Hayes was a waste of time. I do like Chuck, but this trio all together is trash. We go from year to year, with little to no improvement.

Another season of being down at the bottom... We'll end up the 2nd worst team in the league, will grab the 5th draft pick, pick some question mark, throw in some fillers, and head into the next season. It's so evident already. That's what our FO does every damn year. (almost forgot, also hire another wannabe coach to run this team)

It's too bad that the team is owned by some cheap losers..because the arena talks are going well and this GARBAGE we see on the court kills any optimism that I have.
I wish I could refute something in this post but sadly, I can't. It's all accurate!
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I'm cool with Donte at SF...I don't want Salmons backing up anyone at this point...he is now Kenny Thomas, IMO. I just REALLY think the Tyreke experiement at PG is over.
An odd statement since he did what we need him to do out there. Steve Nash (who Reke is not) looked like a turd out there to start this season too because his teammates were so bad.

We've got three guys now in Reke, Thornton and Cousins. I still kinda like JT as a dependable 3rd big. Hayes you have to respect even if I have questions whether he is a starter for a playoff team. Every other position on the team is up for grabs as far as I am concerned. Don't need much. Just guys who can hit open shots and play defense. One player has to emerge as a 6th man.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
uh no. Shapiro doesn't do game type cardio. You can only get so far on a treadmill. The rest comes in practice and gameday. More a shot at westfail for the last two years.


Yeah, but is it even that given the abbreviated camp this year? Might not have been a shot so much as a woeful admission, and especially tough to correct when you are playing games every night and the legs are going to be in question even without a ton of extra running.
 
How many more years are we going to say that, though? At what point does the "needs more time" excuse with this team pass its expiration date? If we were even seeing progress it would be different, but we aren't. This team has flat out sucked since 2006 and is still a bottom five team in the league and showing no real signs of making the jump out of the NBA cellar anytime soon.
 
Seems to me that the Kings get 2 more years to pull it together or re-re-rebuild. If the front office can't build a playoff team around Cousins/Reke by the time their protected rookie contracts expire, this team makeup is done and its off to the lottery.
 
i think the team needs a real system to play in. i watched the past few games and there doesn't seem to be any real set plays. i'm watching the opposing team move the ball around with a end result of a bucket. this team needs structure badly
No offense, but that is major old news =)

Trust me, I (and others who eventually came around) called it at the very start of the season: This team has no offnese. It's a glorified version of street basketball that they play. It has improved SLIGHTLY in recent games... but it is still beyond pathetic. I have literally seen more structured play in YMCA games...
 

Bricklayer

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How many more years are we going to say that, though? At what point does the "needs more time" excuse with this team pass its expiration date? If we were even seeing progress it would be different, but we aren't. This team has flat out sucked since 2006 and is still a bottom five team in the league and showing no real signs of making the jump out of the NBA cellar anytime soon.
That is all very nice, but nothing before 2009 exists for any of these kids. In 2006 many of them were getting up the courage to ask a girl to prom and taking driver's ed courses. When you are the youngest team in the league, with the youngest group of core stars in the league, time is everything. And actually we are already seeing it although as usual peole are too busy running aroung screaming in panic to notice it. Under Smart Reke is looking like the player he was destined to be 2 years ago, Cousins is averaging 15 and 10 in his second year in only 26min, and per minute has been more prolific (although obviously not as efficient) as Dwight Howard. There is a clear big three forming up. When it gels, then we will have our answer as to how good they can be. Given that they have now played a grand total of maybe 20 games together, half of them in their first or second year, only two of them for the new coach, a little more time seems moderately reasonable.
 
There was one unbelievable moment last night where, IIRC, a long rebound came out to JJ. Hickson at the 3 point line and to his right he had Jimmer and Garcia wide open and he sort of pump faked, did nothing then passed left.

Is there a virus going round this team that saps all basketball IQ from players who put on the jersey.

I actually thought we moved the ball a little better in the first Q last night, Garcia especially at least tried to swing the ball a bit, but it was turgid after that.
 
There was one unbelievable moment last night where, IIRC, a long rebound came out to JJ. Hickson at the 3 point line and to his right he had Jimmer and Garcia wide open and he sort of pump faked, did nothing then passed left.
I bet you can count the number of perimeter touch passes this season on one hand.