[Game] Kings @ Sixers 10/01/12
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Ridiculous as it may seem, I actually agree with this. We really aren't asking much form our SFs, and they can't even give that to us.
Problem is from a management standpoint after intentionally getting Salmons are they going to tolerate us having $28 million of SFs sitting on the bench behind Donte, who they kind of gave up on?
Problem is from a management standpoint after intentionally getting Salmons are they going to tolerate us having $28 million of SFs sitting on the bench behind Donte, who they kind of gave up on?
Sure, that part of his game could use some work. I think he is a much better finisher than the number suggest though. He has a huge number of tips that kill his FG%, but you are right .. he needs to finish better.
Relatively speaking though .. He is one of the better post players in the league... A league that doesn't have many of them.
Relatively speaking though .. He is one of the better post players in the league... A league that doesn't have many of them.
Start yes. But there's a big difference between starting on a good team and being the first or second option on a good team. Can anyone really say that Evans or Cousins would be an option over Kobe/Gasol, Westbrook/Durant, Stoudamire/Anthony, Wade/LeBron, Dirk/Kidd, Randolph/Gasol, etc.? Heck, they wouldn't even be the third option on most of those teams. That's just the cold hard truth. Maybe in two years, three years, etc. that will change but as it stands now, no.
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The time is now for a major starting lineup overhaul..
I propose the following:
C: Jason Thompson
PF: Demarcus Cousins
SF: Tyreke Evans
SG: Marcus Thornton
PG: Isaiah Thomas
I might be crazy for the SF and PG choice...but I doubt we'd get beat by 20-30 every night...at least Thomas is a pure point guard(even as young as hevis, probably a better choice)and Tyreke is big enough to play SF in my opinion.
I propose the following:
C: Jason Thompson
PF: Demarcus Cousins
SF: Tyreke Evans
SG: Marcus Thornton
PG: Isaiah Thomas
I might be crazy for the SF and PG choice...but I doubt we'd get beat by 20-30 every night...at least Thomas is a pure point guard(even as young as hevis, probably a better choice)and Tyreke is big enough to play SF in my opinion.
I've been screaming for Donte to get more minutes since he got in the league, and as strange as it is I think THIS team is the best kind of team for him.
He doesn't really have to do anything he can't do. For once. His shooting has been just as good/bad as the rest of our junk 3's .. and his defense is better than Salmons in my opinion.
The idea was to bring in a SF who could give us defense and offense .. not one or the other. Well, on this team that starts FIVE offensive players right now, Donte Greene the role player could help. I repeat, could.
He would help with weak side defense / blocked shots. He's always been a good finisher on the break because he runs the floor every time giving us easy lob options or trailing dunks. And as long as he gets minutes he doesn't play selfishly. Would I give him a shot? yea, no doubt. But no coach he has ever had believed in him .. so I wouldn't get my hopes up.
He doesn't really have to do anything he can't do. For once. His shooting has been just as good/bad as the rest of our junk 3's .. and his defense is better than Salmons in my opinion.
The idea was to bring in a SF who could give us defense and offense .. not one or the other. Well, on this team that starts FIVE offensive players right now, Donte Greene the role player could help. I repeat, could.
He would help with weak side defense / blocked shots. He's always been a good finisher on the break because he runs the floor every time giving us easy lob options or trailing dunks. And as long as he gets minutes he doesn't play selfishly. Would I give him a shot? yea, no doubt. But no coach he has ever had believed in him .. so I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Obviously they aren't as seasoned/experienced as the top 5-7 duo's in the league.
I simply said they'd start for just about every team, and many playoff teams. I didn't say, and don't remember others saying, right now they're more productive than the duo's you listed. As a young team, most of us figure development/talent into the equation. That's why I think they'll get there.
But you're saying it;s the cold hard truth that right now Kobe/Gasol or Wade/Lebron are better? Who suggested otherwise?
I simply said they'd start for just about every team, and many playoff teams. I didn't say, and don't remember others saying, right now they're more productive than the duo's you listed. As a young team, most of us figure development/talent into the equation. That's why I think they'll get there.
But you're saying it;s the cold hard truth that right now Kobe/Gasol or Wade/Lebron are better? Who suggested otherwise?
Who suggested no one on the Kings would start on a good team? I was just pointing out that no one on the Kings would be a first or second option on a good team. I was just making a point, I never claimed that anyone said otherwise. You then responded by saying they would start which had nothing to do with anything i said.
I am with you on Jason Thompson. I wanted him starting day 1 after the Hayes contract got voided, and I wanted him starting once Hayes got hurt because he is more of a role player than Hickson. I wouldn't start Thomas though. I'd rather go big and start Greene at SF.
Evans/Thomas
Thornton/Jimmer
Greene/Salmons
Thompson/Hickson
Cousins/Hickson
Thats what I would do. And until Jimmer plays better, I'd give Thomas Jimmer's minutes and Jimmer the 4th guard minutes. I never want to see Outlaw again. Cisco may get some burn here and there. Possibly over Jimmer is he continues to struggle.
This teams second unit just couldn't score tonight. With Hickson/Salmons/Thomas running the show they should at least be able to put some points on the board.
Evans/Thomas
Thornton/Jimmer
Greene/Salmons
Thompson/Hickson
Cousins/Hickson
Thats what I would do. And until Jimmer plays better, I'd give Thomas Jimmer's minutes and Jimmer the 4th guard minutes. I never want to see Outlaw again. Cisco may get some burn here and there. Possibly over Jimmer is he continues to struggle.
This teams second unit just couldn't score tonight. With Hickson/Salmons/Thomas running the show they should at least be able to put some points on the board.
WHOA!
Keith Smart just threw the strength-and-conditioning coach (Shapiro) under the bus!!
He answered that "the reason we don't get back on transitional defense is because they aren't in shape - and that they're going to get in shape."
Uh - I don't know of anyone else involved in the Kings' players conditioning and stamina, other than Shapiro.
Can anyone else imagine who else is to blame for the Kings players being admitted by the coach to across-the-board not be in shape?
The players for not doing the exercise needed?
Management, for tying Shapiro's hands and not allowing him to FORCE the guys to do cardio?
What else?
Maybe I'm projecting here, because I've wanted Shapiro gone for a long time and I can't stand that after YEARS of Kings teams that are in worse shape and have more injuries than other teams, yet he still gets a complete pass.
But I don't see who else is to blame for this situation - that Coach Smart can't rely on his players to get back on defense during the game because "they aren't in good shape."
Keith Smart just threw the strength-and-conditioning coach (Shapiro) under the bus!!
He answered that "the reason we don't get back on transitional defense is because they aren't in shape - and that they're going to get in shape."
Uh - I don't know of anyone else involved in the Kings' players conditioning and stamina, other than Shapiro.
Can anyone else imagine who else is to blame for the Kings players being admitted by the coach to across-the-board not be in shape?
The players for not doing the exercise needed?
Management, for tying Shapiro's hands and not allowing him to FORCE the guys to do cardio?
What else?
Maybe I'm projecting here, because I've wanted Shapiro gone for a long time and I can't stand that after YEARS of Kings teams that are in worse shape and have more injuries than other teams, yet he still gets a complete pass.
But I don't see who else is to blame for this situation - that Coach Smart can't rely on his players to get back on defense during the game because "they aren't in good shape."
The seems to be not working because we never really utilized the Reke size and quickness advantage as it should be utilized.
We put Thornton next to Evans so he can bully the team's PG if they put their SG on Reke. But in the Orlando game, Thornton never posted up little Jameer.
Now in this Philly game, we put Fredette next to Evans and other teams easily put their PG to guard Jimmer. If Smart moved Salmons to SG and started Greene at SF, we could have gained a lot of size advantage in this game.
I understand the logic here, but the odds we win a game are pretty low. Then add in the odds we win a game when both JT and Cousins are in foul trouble and it gets even lower. I'm not too worried about defense at that point.
But damn, I'd take Fesenko. He'd be a great fourth big. Could cause some 'what is my role on the team?' problems once Hayes gets back though. But thinking long term, I find it very likely one of JT or JJ gets dealt before the deadline this year... So it could all work itself out.
But damn, I'd take Fesenko. He'd be a great fourth big. Could cause some 'what is my role on the team?' problems once Hayes gets back though. But thinking long term, I find it very likely one of JT or JJ gets dealt before the deadline this year... So it could all work itself out.
I responded to another poster who brought up his thread getting locked for suggesting no one on our team would start for a good team. That is who I responded to.
Then you quoted me with this:
This implies someone actually said our duo is better than the ones you included. You said it's the cold hard truth. To who? Your statement implies you're educating people who thought that. So who are you educating? Who said that? Most people don't say "cold hard truth" unless they're in a disagreement with someone.
Then you quoted me with this:
This implies someone actually said our duo is better than the ones you included. You said it's the cold hard truth. To who? Your statement implies you're educating people who thought that. So who are you educating? Who said that? Most people don't say "cold hard truth" unless they're in a disagreement with someone.
Good thing that's not what I argued or said in that thread - that's what was manipulated by others, including yourself.
I said (and I can quote if you'd like) that outside of Marcus Thornton, and with the exclusion of Tyreke and DMC because of their youth and other factors, who on the Kings is a reliable NBA-quality starter?
And I was attacked and labelled a troll for it.
That's reality - not retconning, or monday-morning quarterbacking.
KF's were WRONG on that thread, and ignoring that is not going to make the Kings problems go away - they don't have a competitive team on the court, because outside of MT, Tyreke and DMC when they are playing well, they don't have anyone who can step up and significantly compete on a night-to-night basis.
Trading away the ONLY proven King who could (Beno, undeniably with years of proof on the Kings court) was a HUGE mistake we are now blatantly seeing.
Apologies should be in order, to be honest : KF's was WRONG. I was RIGHT, based on proven performances on the court thus far this year.
I said (and I can quote if you'd like) that outside of Marcus Thornton, and with the exclusion of Tyreke and DMC because of their youth and other factors, who on the Kings is a reliable NBA-quality starter?
And I was attacked and labelled a troll for it.
That's reality - not retconning, or monday-morning quarterbacking.
KF's were WRONG on that thread, and ignoring that is not going to make the Kings problems go away - they don't have a competitive team on the court, because outside of MT, Tyreke and DMC when they are playing well, they don't have anyone who can step up and significantly compete on a night-to-night basis.
Trading away the ONLY proven King who could (Beno, undeniably with years of proof on the Kings court) was a HUGE mistake we are now blatantly seeing.
Apologies should be in order, to be honest : KF's was WRONG. I was RIGHT, based on proven performances on the court thus far this year.