The truth about Jimmer Fredette
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to add to that. we all hope that jimmer is going to be a star and maybe become our best player who knows. but to call it out now and throw current players under the bus to force your opinion on us is not the way to go around here. Especially when said player won rookie of the year and was still admiralble in an injury plagued season.
You might be right about Tyreke but Jimmer has a long way to go to be considered as good even If you're right in the long run. Jimmer has to play first. Then he has to help us win. After that he has to lead his fellow players to be better and us to win more than we lose. After that he has to be successful on a Kings playoff team. There's a lot to be done before he gets the label you give him. First he has to play and make a few mistakes.
It would be a miracle if Jimmer had those numbers. Fact is, Jimmer isn't being given the reigns like Tyreke was. However, I don't evaluate players on boxscores alone. I watch the players play and then I evaluate the circumstances. Jimmer is coming to a team with a guard who some deem to be the answer for them. Therefore, coach is going to stick with his ROY for the most part. Truth be told, though, Jimmer is flatout better than Tyreke in every aspect of the game, IMO.
Come on man, "every aspect of the game". I love Jimmer just as much as the next guy, and I certainly think Tyreke has his flaws but to even suggest that Jimmer is "flatout" better in "every aspect" is just ridiculous. As has been discussed in many parts on this board, Tyreke is an above average defender who potentially can be an elite defender. In fact, I believe that is where he can probably have the greatest impact on this team and from what I've read, that's what Tyreke is working on this year. Jimmer cannot hold Reke's jock strap when it comes to defensive ability. Just stop.
Seriously, I just don't see the need for this Jimmer v. Tyreke thing that seems to be popping up on this board. They both have an important role to play on this team that is completely different from one another. Just enjoy the show. It's going to be fun to watch.
Seriously, I just don't see the need for this Jimmer v. Tyreke thing that seems to be popping up on this board. They both have an important role to play on this team that is completely different from one another. Just enjoy the show. It's going to be fun to watch.
Said it before and I'll say it again - 90% of Kings fans do not realize what they're getting in Jimmer Fredette.
Sure, they know he can shoot.
Sure, they know he can create his own shot and create opportunities for others.
Sure, they know he won every PotY award and the ESPY male athlete award.
Sure, they know he has a high basketball IQ.
But they truly don't know what a special player they're getting. Jimmer is a WINNER. He is not a role player. He is not "just a shooter." He is a star, and I fully expect him to become one of the top guards in the league. His ability to take over games and single-handedly win games is unreal.
Sure, they know he can shoot.
Sure, they know he can create his own shot and create opportunities for others.
Sure, they know he won every PotY award and the ESPY male athlete award.
Sure, they know he has a high basketball IQ.
But they truly don't know what a special player they're getting. Jimmer is a WINNER. He is not a role player. He is not "just a shooter." He is a star, and I fully expect him to become one of the top guards in the league. His ability to take over games and single-handedly win games is unreal.
Gotta kind of disagree. He has to live up to his potential, and PROVE that he can do it... but I don't think he has "a long way to go." Let's face it: the Kings aren't that good, or at least, they haven't been for a fairly long while. I think Kings fans blow out of proportion just how good some of their "top" players are. I haven't been following the kings for long, but in what little I've seen, I'm not entirely impressed. If Jimmer can play in the NBA even half as well as he did in college ball, I could easily see him becoming this team's top player.
I know some of the posters in this thread are "newer" (I still consider myself a new kings fan, after 2 years) to this forum; most likely due to us drafting Jimmer. Thing is, though, if you guys watched Reke his rookie year, it was pretty special. I understand Rookie that he was forced to carry the load, but that's the best part. If Reke can take all the things he did two years ago (this last injury-plagued one not counting), and apply a new team concept to it, I believe he'll still be better than Jimmer right now. I think Jimmer is pretty special too, but I think it'll take him some time to fully integrate himself into the game (I get that he can shoot and set up others, but we'll see how truly good he'll be, and not just against the warriors).
Wow what a thread!
I am not a Kings fan. I am a Jazz fan and a BYU fan. I have followed NBA basketball for the last 20 years (I am still think the officials stole a championship from the Kings). I have also watched almost every game Jimmer has played in since he was a freshman, most of them live. I think he has the potential to be an all star. I think he is a fantastic play maker and will grow in to an adequate defender. I think he will be a great pro. That said some of the Jimmer homers are way over the top. Let's let him play a few games before we anoint him the best player on the team.
I am not a Kings fan. I am a Jazz fan and a BYU fan. I have followed NBA basketball for the last 20 years (I am still think the officials stole a championship from the Kings). I have also watched almost every game Jimmer has played in since he was a freshman, most of them live. I think he has the potential to be an all star. I think he is a fantastic play maker and will grow in to an adequate defender. I think he will be a great pro. That said some of the Jimmer homers are way over the top. Let's let him play a few games before we anoint him the best player on the team.
Delusional thinking...there's a reason it's described as (Jimmer) mania.
I hope for good things from Jimmer, because I always hope for good things to happen for my Kings. I also still hope for great things from Reke and Cousins, too. Reke and Cousins are both younger than Jimmer. They all have a lot of basketball ahead of them, hopefully, and time to get even better as players with hard work. Way too early to declare any of them the sure fire best player on the team.
What's the point anyway? I'm a fan of the Kings, I hope they all turn out great together.
I hope for good things from Jimmer, because I always hope for good things to happen for my Kings. I also still hope for great things from Reke and Cousins, too. Reke and Cousins are both younger than Jimmer. They all have a lot of basketball ahead of them, hopefully, and time to get even better as players with hard work. Way too early to declare any of them the sure fire best player on the team.
What's the point anyway? I'm a fan of the Kings, I hope they all turn out great together.
If you'd been following the Kings for longer, you'd realize how horrible this team has been since Webber went down- even when there was talent, there was never any real hope of building something truly great. All of us I think have expressed frustration with Tyreke, and we're equally hopeful that Cousins will turn into the next great center but are aware of how tall an order that is and how far he has to come. That said, Jimmer has a very long way to go. There are tons of guys who were great shooters and winners in college who never made it in the NBA, or plateued as role players- Adam Morrison and JJ Reddick comes to mind. Jimmer has two games under his belt, our other young guys have actually proven to be good players and have potential to be great in the NBA. Only time will tell whether Jimmer will make the jump.
Also, more and more I get the feeling that Thornton might be the real winner and leader to emerge from this team.
Also, more and more I get the feeling that Thornton might be the real winner and leader to emerge from this team.
LOL I know... I considered making a note about that myself. People comparing white dudes to white dudes is a pet peeve of mine. But I follow the NBA closely, not so much NCAA, so I'm going mostly on hype and the few games I watch (went to a D4 school so never got into college ball). But Jimmer's hype is that he's a great shooter and a real winner, and Reddick and Morrison are the last two guys I can think of that had the same hype surrounding them. If you know a better example, I'm all ears.
Jimmer's shooting has been a given, the thing I learned in the four games I have seen so far is that being an offensive facilitator will not be an issue and probably will be a strength; but, what I have also seen is that he has difficulty with more athletic NBA defensive players when they take defending him seriously. He had difficulty even maintaining a dribble three of four times against Portland. That was the question coming out of the draft and for me it hasn't been answered. Don't get me wrong, I like him, he was the guy I wanted the Kings to draft, and I think he will be a good complementary player; but, he is not in the same league as Reke and will probably never be as good as Thorton.
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Well, all due respect, but your opinion stinks. Every aspect of the game would include rebounding, defense, steals, driving to the rim and finishing at the rim bro, all things Jimmer can't touch Tyreke at. And if you can prove Jimmer is better than Tyreke at all those things I will buy you a whole pound of gold.