Tropical Island Video Vault Draft - ROUND 20 - FINAL ROUND

Those were always my feeling son the series and yet I have been repeatedly assured that no, it was always supposed to be a triology and was even pitched that way, so...no idea. the first one does stand alone so well though that I prefer to pretend there never were any sequels.
I've never gone the pretend-they-don't-exist route, but it's true that the original is the one I watch the most (by FAR) and is the only of the three I've bothered to upgrade to BluRay. I like bits of both of the sequels, though, and watch them occasionally.

It is true that it was pitched as a trilogy, but it was not greenlit as a trilogy. The second two bits weren't given the go ahead until after the success of the first one, meaning that it was rather dramatically altered (from what I've heard) in order to work as a standalone action film. Unfortunately, I think what that really means is that the Wachowskis pretty much stumbled upon the things that made the first film so great almost by accident. It's refreshingly efficient as a bit of storytelling, while they seem to be anything but when given free reign. But, fine, you wanted it to be a trilogy with an extended narrative filled with existential prattle and religious allegory. That, in and of itself, isn't a horrible thing. And I was so taken with the first (and, to a lesser extent, the second) film that I was in full fangirl mode by the time the sequels came out and would have happily gone along with it had it been done well. I can forgive the sequels for being cheesy a lot easier than I can forgive them for not realizing how smart they aren't. Which, to me, is the biggest problem with the second and third films. Writer/director duo given a ton of money and fighting WAY above their weight class. As shown by the fact that they have only directed one film since (which I'll leave nameless in case someone wants it) and it bombed spectacularly.

My biggest problem with the sequels is that I just didn't care about Zion. At all. The more time we spend there as viewers, the more sympathetic I became towards Joe Pantoliano's character in the first movie. I'd want fake steak, too. And, it must be said, but don't even get me started on Trinity. As a female fan of action movies, I've gotten used to the women on screen being reduced to incompetent ninnies. I don't like it, but I accept it as part of the genre of which I am otherwise so fond. If Trinity had only ever been a sycophantic admirer of her messianic boyfriend who ultimately martyrs herself for his cause, I doubt I would have noticed. But to have her turn into that after a first movie in which she is every bit his equal (well, maybe not every bit, as he is "the one," but darn close) was horribly disappointing.



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I think I know what movie you are talking about and that terrifies me. I like a good series when it is done right but the need to franchise everything does not appeal to me. And oftentimes the best franchises work because the first movie wasn't really intended that way but left people craving more. I'll even include the Matrix in that regard even though I disliked where they took it.

I like the idea of more stuff in the TRONverse and if that is the route they planned all along I really think a straight up reboot would have better suited things. Plus it would have meant the one thing that so many people panned and couldn't get past (CGI young-Jeff Bridges) didn't exist. Although from what I have seen, sometimes poor characters are included/chosen just because it would be a cool effect that maybe attracts awards attention if they pull it off right.
See, that's something that doesn't bother me. It is what it is. And the CGI Clu character worked just fine. CGI Young Flynn was rougher to accept, but not that big of an issue. I like them building on a universe that was already well established in the first movie, doing some things they could never quite get right without the new technology (like the light disc battles, de-rezzing, etc.) And you can tell with the way they did the character development that they had an eye toward expanding the franchise. Whether they continue in a sensible manner or not is another question, but the foundation is definitely there.
 

pdxKingsFan

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See, that's something that doesn't bother me. It is what it is. And the CGI Clu character worked just fine. CGI Young Flynn was rougher to accept, but not that big of an issue. I like them building on a universe that was already well established in the first movie, doing some things they could never quite get right without the new technology (like the light disc battles, de-rezzing, etc.) And you can tell with the way they did the character development that they had an eye toward expanding the franchise. Whether they continue in a sensible manner or not is another question, but the foundation is definitely there.
I honestly thought it looked ok but holy crap that is all anyone wanted to talk about on some of the forums I read.
 
Sorry guys, read the PM and forgot about it.

My pick is:
The Truman Show (1998)



I may have watched this more than ten times over the years. Great performance by Jim Carrey, great story, feel-good ending.
 

Capt. Factorial

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With my next pick I am going to go to Japan and select Akira Kurosawa's Ikiru ("To Live", 1952 - NR).



Titled in English "To Live", Ikiru portrays a lonely paper-pusher in the Japanese government who learns that he has terminal cancer and searches for meaning in his life. He finally finds it by cutting through the red tape that others won't bother fighting, ultimately facilitating the construction of his legacy - a children's park. Bring tissues.

Trailer under spoiler...
 
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Warhawk

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At work and very busy; this one snuck up on me. So, off the top of my head, I think I will grab.....a kung-fu movie!


Kung-Fu Panda



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Both the previous picks were on my list. Although with Ran already on board, I wasn't likely to take Ikiru unless my queue was seriously devastated. Still, a total of three movies taken from me in one round is unsettling.

Now, I've been hesitating on this next one for several rounds. In truth, it became far too over-hyped, overblown and - the word of death - overrated to the point even I was entirely sick of hearing about this movie.

But ... did I thoroughly enjoy it months earlier when I lucked into a premier ticket knowing only it was about a ballerina who loses her mind and Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis make-out in it.

Yes. Yes I did.



Black Swan - 2010

Note: I did NOT use the iconic "bloodshot eyes with white make-up" poster for the very reason that it is now infamous and endlessly parodied. But why is that? Other than the striking visual of that shot being ripe for parody, why would Black Swan receive the lion's share of that treatment?

None of the other Best Picture nominees (except maybe Inception) that year incited so many spoofs.

Well, simply because it is quite obviously Oscar bait (and was pimped out to the public for months as such, burning it into our collective consciousness) without breaking any new ground, its black-and-white motif has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, its surrealism borders on the distractingly absurd and its melodrama, eroticism and body horror are all designed to shock the viewer into thinking "my God, look how edgy I am for watching this."

And you know what, I freaking love it.

I'm not even going to take the high road by claiming "it's so bad, it's good" and that's why I like it. Bull. It accomplishes exactly what it sets out to do, I felt every emotion it wanted me to when it wanted me to and I think despite some faults it was very well made.

This also illustrates the major benefit of first seeing a movie in a vacuum (A similar occurrence for me with The Hangover). Remember, "overrated" is a critique of the audience's opinion of it, not the movie itself.

We briefly covered this on the other side of the spectrum with Gigli - a movie that was overly panned and became famous for it - one we could call both bad AND underrated. Yes it was bad, but it wasn't THAT bad.

Black Swan is a movie that was good. But it wasn't THAT good.

Now, if you want to talk to me about why it was a bad movie, that's a horse of a different color. But leave your overrated chants at the door.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Otay dotay -- so confident have I been that my sleepers were, well, sleepers, especially with this crowd, that I have ignored them for 14 rounds. But its come time:



The Blood of Heroes (1989) -- R

I took this little cult film in the last draft too, and I figured that might be the biggest threat to somebody taking it this time. This is my 5th and final repick btw, as I have now bumped my head up against my own rule, which I guess is appropriate.

So why the Blood of Heroes? Only cuz its awesome of course! A cult film of the truest sort, its a little movie that you pretty much really go for, or really don't. I think it got lost amongst the wash of laughably cheesy Mad Max ripoffs that poured out in the 80s/early 90s, but this was anything but. There are no goofy guys with mohawks racing around the desert in dune buggies, no telekinetic mutants to be defeated in the Forbidden Zone. This was a serious effort. It was written and directed by David Webb Peoples, the screenwriter who wrote Blade Runner, The Unforgiven, Twelve Monkeys, and a host of other movies not yet taken that I won't list. He was a guy who had a real pipeline into the world weary, people beaten down by life, people without much hope who nonetheless soldiered on. And that really works in a sports movie, which this essentially is. In fact so fun, brutal, and well displayed is its invented future sport of "jugging" -- almost a form of gladitorial combat with elements of rugby thrown in -- that for a long time, perhaps still, fans of this movie in Germany had started up jugging leagues.

The movie follows one small band of juggers as it ekes out a life through one miserable post apocalyptic town after another. Everything has been knocked back to subsistence level, and wandering juggers traveling from dusty village to dusty village to play the local teams is what passes for entertainment. If you win, you get a party thrown in your honor, get paid by the locals, to eat for a night, and get to share a bed. Then the next morning its back out across the wastes looking for another match. Nobody dares to dream. How could you? You are just trying to survive . Our wandering band, filled up with familiar faces -- Rutger Hauer, Joan Chen, Vincent D'Onofrio, Delroy Lindo -- becomes a family as much as a team. Peoples was also the one guy who managed to repeatedly get strong performances out of Rutger Hauer before he turned into a parody of himself. The two teamed up for most of Hauer's best regarded work, and he had real presence in this movie as the weathered old warrior looking for redemption. But it was really Joan Chen's movie, in what remains a remarkable performance IMO, simultaneously innocent and savage.

So, there it is. To this day probably one of my top 5 most rewatchable movies. For thsi draft I went and took a look at a well known and well regarded sports flick again this past weekend, but it just did not carry the punch. This little film though has something of Rocky in it. Its characters have nothing, and by the end when they dare to dream, not of winning glory or millions or mansions or women, but just of hanging on and fighting for each other, and proving their courage in the face of overwhelming odds, you sincerely root for them. Its a strange little mix of a movie, and not for everybody. But it should be.
 
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I can't believe a Woody Allen or Albert Brooks flick hasn't been picked. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you guys are clearly doing it wrong.
 
This is one of my favorite suspenseful movies ever. Back when the whole M. Night thing was new, this one had quite a kick. And honestly, for me, M. Night does suspenseful like few others. The camera angles, imagery and dialogue really add a great effect to the movie. M Night had a way at the end of a movie of making you say "ohhh now I get it!" and wanting to re-watch it over and over again to see things you missed. Another thing I loved about this movie and it made it unique in a very common genre was that the world was "ending," but yet as viewers we only saw the world ending for one single family which was very cool.



Signs
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This is one of my favorite suspenseful movies ever. Back when the whole M. Night thing was new, this one had quite a kick. And honestly, for me, M. Night does suspenseful like few others. The camera angles, imagery and dialogue really add a great effect to the movie. M Night had a way at the end of a movie of making you say "ohhh now I get it!" and wanting to re-watch it over and over again to see things you missed. Another thing I loved about this movie and it made it unique in a very common genre was that the world was "ending," but yet as viewers we only saw the world ending for one single family which was very cool.



Signs


Suspense is tempered a bit when you can save the world with a garden hose. :p
 
Sigh... Okay, time to make a decision. Am in a bit of a predicament with this pick, frankly, as I didn't realize until fairly late yesterday evening that a certain movie hadn't been taken yet. It's a movie that I intentionally left off my list to start based on the assumption it would surely be gone before my first pick, and just never thought about it again when it wasn't. Problem now is that while I would have happily chosen it over a couple of the movies I've already taken, I don't necessarily want to bump any of the more obscure stuff I've set aside for these last few rounds. So, again, sigh.

Ultimately, now that I've realized it's still available, I just can't NOT take it. Therefore, with my next pick, I'm taking a neglected recent blockbuster:



Star Trek (2009) -- Note to studios looking to pump out more re-boots: this movie got it right, you probably won't. This is one of those movies that I was excited about -- not super nerd level excited, but excited -- but assumed wouldn't be very good. Couldn't be. I was wrong. Tone is great, look is great, writing was great, and the acting was great. Perfect balance of evoking the original without imitating it. And I love, love, LOVE Chris Pine as the new James T. Kirk. This one could have gone wrong in a million ways.
 
I'm starting to think that I could compile a list of movies after this draft is done and it would look amazingly similar to my list had I participated
 
I enjoyed this one a lot as well. It had the action side of science fiction often lacking in traditional star trek films. J.J Abrams borrowed much of the pacing in the film from Star Wars, as he was looking to expand the Star Trek audience beyond the traditional trekies. Mission accomplished, I hope they make a few more films with this cast. That would be fun :).
 

Warhawk

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I enjoyed this one a lot as well. It had the action side of science fiction often lacking in traditional star trek films. J.J Abrams borrowed much of the pacing in the film from Star Wars, as he was looking to expand the Star Trek audience beyond the traditional trekies. Mission accomplished, I hope they make a few more films with this cast. That would be fun :).
Agreed. This was on my list but I don't find myself re-watching it much. I keep meaning to but just haven't in a while. That pushed it down a bit. Glad someone went with it.

And I agree with Spike. ;)
 
Sigh... Okay, time to make a decision. Am in a bit of a predicament with this pick, frankly, as I didn't realize until fairly late yesterday evening that a certain movie hadn't been taken yet. It's a movie that I intentionally left off my list to start based on the assumption it would surely be gone before my first pick, and just never thought about it again when it wasn't. Problem now is that while I would have happily chosen it over a couple of the movies I've already taken, I don't necessarily want to bump any of the more obscure stuff I've set aside for these last few rounds. So, again, sigh.

Ultimately, now that I've realized it's still available, I just can't NOT take it. Therefore, with my next pick, I'm taking a neglected recent blockbuster:


Star Trek (2009) -- Note to studios looking to pump out more re-boots: this movie got it right, you probably won't. This is one of those movies that I was excited about -- not super nerd level excited, but excited -- but assumed wouldn't be very good. Couldn't be. I was wrong. Tone is great, look is great, writing was great, and the acting was great. Perfect balance of evoking the original without imitating it. And I love, love, LOVE Chris Pine as the new James T. Kirk. This one could have gone wrong in a million ways.
This was definitely on my list, but I have my share of recent blockbusters. I made a conscious decision to let it sit. Good pick.
 
This is one of my favorite suspenseful movies ever. Back when the whole M. Night thing was new, this one had quite a kick. And honestly, for me, M. Night does suspenseful like few others. The camera angles, imagery and dialogue really add a great effect to the movie. M Night had a way at the end of a movie of making you say "ohhh now I get it!" and wanting to re-watch it over and over again to see things you missed. Another thing I loved about this movie and it made it unique in a very common genre was that the world was "ending," but yet as viewers we only saw the world ending for one single family which was very cool.


Signs
Best M. Night movie for me. Another one on my list that I decided to let sit. I'll have to visit your island for a watch now and then.
 
Both the previous picks were on my list. Although with Ran already on board, I wasn't likely to take Ikiru unless my queue was seriously devastated. Still, a total of three movies taken from me in one round is unsettling.

Now, I've been hesitating on this next one for several rounds. In truth, it became far too over-hyped, overblown and - the word of death - overrated to the point even I was entirely sick of hearing about this movie.

But ... did I thoroughly enjoy it months earlier when I lucked into a premier ticket knowing only it was about a ballerina who loses her mind and Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis make-out in it.

Yes. Yes I did.



Black Swan - 2010

Note: I did NOT use the iconic "bloodshot eyes with white make-up" poster for the very reason that it is now infamous and endlessly parodied. But why is that? Other than the striking visual of that shot being ripe for parody, why would Black Swan receive the lion's share of that treatment?

None of the other Best Picture nominees (except maybe Inception) that year incited so many spoofs.

Well, simply because it is quite obviously Oscar bait (and was pimped out to the public for months as such, burning it into our collective consciousness) without breaking any new ground, its black-and-white motif has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, its surrealism borders on the distractingly absurd and its melodrama, eroticism and body horror are all designed to shock the viewer into thinking "my God, look how edgy I am for watching this."

And you know what, I freaking love it.

I'm not even going to take the high road by claiming "it's so bad, it's good" and that's why I like it. Bull. It accomplishes exactly what it sets out to do, I felt every emotion it wanted me to when it wanted me to and I think despite some faults it was very well made.

This also illustrates the major benefit of first seeing a movie in a vacuum (A similar occurrence for me with The Hangover). Remember, "overrated" is a critique of the audience's opinion of it, not the movie itself.

We briefly covered this on the other side of the spectrum with Gigli - a movie that was overly panned and became famous for it - one we could call both bad AND underrated. Yes it was bad, but it wasn't THAT bad.

Black Swan is a movie that was good. But it wasn't THAT good.

Now, if you want to talk to me about why it was a bad movie, that's a horse of a different color. But leave your overrated chants at the door.
You sound almost apologetic for this pick. Black Swan was a really good movie. The only thing I didn't like about it was that some of the effects during the horror like sequences were a little cheesy and overdone. All in all though it had a great atmosphere and some great acting. I can't imagine anyone thinking it's "so bad it's good" unless they just have an aversion to melodrama. I guess there's always a backlash that goes with "Oscar bait" type of films, though.
 
My selection:

Logan's Run (1976)



Guilty pleasure? Sure. Have always loved this movie... A utopian society with all of life's pleasures... with one minor catch. I hear they are going to remake this film, no doubt littered with CGI... It will never capture the fantasy of the original for me; great film.

 
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To start the next round, I select:

National Lampoon's Vacation (1983)



Some say Christmas Vacation is superior to the ORIGINAL Vacation, but they are sadly mistaken... Vacation is the best National Lampoon's film ever made and one of my favorite movies. Anthony Michael Hall will always be Rusty in my heart (side-note, it is interesting to see all they cut out of this movie when it is on regular TV; they even cut-out Rusty chugging that beer; so I will add it below from YouTube. Weak-sauce!) So many quotes, so many laughs... love this flick. Also, the Wagon Queen Family Truckster is the single funniest vehicle in any movie ever. "You think you hate it now, wait 'til you drive it."


 
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pdxKingsFan

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You sound almost apologetic for this pick. Black Swan was a really good movie. The only thing I didn't like about it was that some of the effects during the horror like sequences were a little cheesy and overdone. All in all though it had a great atmosphere and some great acting. I can't imagine anyone thinking it's "so bad it's good" unless they just have an aversion to melodrama. I guess there's always a backlash that goes with "Oscar bait" type of films, though.
I really enjoyed it, the only issue I have with it is that it felt like I had seen it 3 or 4 times already.