NEWS: Kings trade Casspi + first rounder for JJ Hickson
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I don't think this is right. Larry Coon's FAQ lists the following restrictions for trading players. A player can't be traded:
So according to this, we could immediately trade Salmons as long as he's not combined with other players to get a bigger salary, and we can do anything we want with him so long as we don't go over the salary cap, and two months after we receive him, he's fair game.
The December stuff is for free agent signings. I think Amick got mixed up.
So according to this, we could immediately trade Salmons as long as he's not combined with other players to get a bigger salary, and we can do anything we want with him so long as we don't go over the salary cap, and two months after we receive him, he's fair game.
The December stuff is for free agent signings. I think Amick got mixed up.
I believe the restrictions apply to newly signed free agents and to players traded using exceptions (so an over the cap team could not trade for a player making 125% more and then ship him off the next day for a guy making 125% more, etc thus circumventing the cap). Since we are under the cap and Salmons is/was under contract there aren't any rules I am aware of that apply. But if someone has a source please let me know.
fwiw: I think we have every intention of keeping Salmons for now so its moot.
fwiw: I think we have every intention of keeping Salmons for now so its moot.
Come on! Whats he supossed to say when he's going to a new team. He hates being traded to a losing team and would rather stay with the Kings. That would really indear him to his new team. Try applying a little logic to the situation.
By the way, Greene's usage rate, which is the percentage of team possessions used by a player was 18.2% and Casspi's was 16.7%. Casspi's efficiency rating, which is a scoring metric of pt's produced per 100 possessions was 11.7% and Greene's was 9.7%. Sometimes perception isn't reality. The truth is, both players left a lot to be desired, but of the two, Casspi was the better player on offense, and didn't really take that many shots when compared to others on the team.
By the way, Greene's usage rate, which is the percentage of team possessions used by a player was 18.2% and Casspi's was 16.7%. Casspi's efficiency rating, which is a scoring metric of pt's produced per 100 possessions was 11.7% and Greene's was 9.7%. Sometimes perception isn't reality. The truth is, both players left a lot to be desired, but of the two, Casspi was the better player on offense, and didn't really take that many shots when compared to others on the team.
This is interesting and probably why the Kings aren't talking directly about resigning him. He may have asked for a 5/50 extension and we balked, he got pissy, etc. etc.
We should be a be able to retain him as long as a team with cap space doesn't step up with a huge deal and we offer a decent amount over whatever the MLE is. We're not in that much of a different situation than Denver is with Nene. He wanted 13M starting apparently for an extension. They said no so now they wait it out.
We should be a be able to retain him as long as a team with cap space doesn't step up with a huge deal and we offer a decent amount over whatever the MLE is. We're not in that much of a different situation than Denver is with Nene. He wanted 13M starting apparently for an extension. They said no so now they wait it out.
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I don't care about those statistics. I know enough about basketball to see exactly what went on with him. When he was struggling with his shot, he took worse shots. When the team benched him and started winning, he complained and wanted to be traded. When your team is winning, you don't make statements like that. Look, he's a good kid and all and he has some heart, but ultimately he put himself WAY ahead of his team and I'm glad he's not our problem anymore.
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"They still want a center RT @Aykis16 @sam_amick Plus there are other, better FA big men out there Kings can chase.
Another factor to consider regarding Dalembert: Kings will have ability to outspend contenders, but idea of giving him huge payday scary."
Looks like we're still going after a center. Adding Chandler or Jordan to a frontline with Cousins/Hickson/JT would make me salivate.
"They still want a center RT @Aykis16 @sam_amick Plus there are other, better FA big men out there Kings can chase.
Another factor to consider regarding Dalembert: Kings will have ability to outspend contenders, but idea of giving him huge payday scary."
Looks like we're still going after a center. Adding Chandler or Jordan to a frontline with Cousins/Hickson/JT would make me salivate.
Assuming something similar to the current rules on qualifying offers, we have matching power after next season. And we could even match in free agency, showcase him for half a season, and trade him to free up cap space for Tyreke, who will still have two years left at that point. So even if he isn't part of our long-term vision due to his contract status, we can still flip him into something when the time comes. He's definitely a better asset than Casspi. I'm concerned about the pick (not really, after reviewing the details of the lottery protection), but not worried at all about Hickson's contract.
Also, everyone is anticipating a significant market correction in the next two years. By the time we're ready to work on Evans' and Cousins' new deals or extensions, market values should be more in line with the constraints of the new CBA. We're kind of sitting pretty in that regard.
Also, everyone is anticipating a significant market correction in the next two years. By the time we're ready to work on Evans' and Cousins' new deals or extensions, market values should be more in line with the constraints of the new CBA. We're kind of sitting pretty in that regard.
The problem is that there's no reason to believe that Omri wants to stay in Sacramento or hates being traded to the Cavs. He very obviously wanted out, and there's been no indication that he wanted to go to a good team instead all indications say he wants big minutes, a starting opportunity, and more shots. I don't begrudge him; it's not like he wanted to leave a winning situation just so he could be a featured player. But everything about Casspi, from before last season, has said that he doesn't want to be on the bench for the Kings, and wanted to get out. I think his comments as quoted above are his true feelings.
Thanks, Warhawk. That's what I wanted to yell after reading the first page. Not likely to happen though. I like the trade. I differ from another poster above in that I wouldn't be surprised if we went anywhere in picking up free agents including at SF or resigning Dalembert. I'm sure we're getting more action before camp from Petrie and I'm looking forward to it.
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I'm just wondering how all these players are going to mesh. Sure, on paper, we have more talent but from everything I've read, JJ is a bit of a knucklehead and has an extremely low basketball IQ. Add this to DMC's immaturity, Salmons' weirdness, and Evans' lack of leadership I just don't know how it's going to work. And we're not even talking about how in the hell 4 guys (Reke, DMC, Thornton, Hickson) who are black holes are going to work together.
The draft is such a crap-shoot when you get out of the lottery. Very hit and miss on whether you can get a guy that can even play in the league. Heck, even in the lottery can be a crap shoot. To me, Casspi had very marginal value. Throw in a mid-level 1st rounder (marginal value), for a very young guy with proven talent. That's a winner.
On another forum.....It's the Kings pick from the Rockets. Sac acquired this pick in an earlier trade. So the pick will actually be based on where the Rockets pick.
Agree with a lot, and I'm going to nit pic some of it. I think you have to take everything into consideration when making an assessment. First off, in college Hickson was never a jumpshooter. Thats a skill that he developed and is still developing in the NBA. I don't think it would be fair to call Hickson a black hole his first two years in Cleveland. The season prior to last season he averaged 20 minutes a game but only took 6 shots a game, and seldom had his number called. Meaning that almost all of his shots came off loose balls and put backs. So one could hardly call him a ball hog his first two years.
Last year, with the leaving of LeBron, he was asked to step into the role of being one of the top offensive options. During the offseason he had worked on his mid-range jumper, and tried to incorporate into his game. With mixed results. Right now JT has a better jumper than Hickson. But as the season went on, his efficiency went up. In other words it took Hickson a while to adapt to his new role. That also played a part in his less than stellar defense, which by the way was better under Brown. He hasn't been much of a shotblocker, and he certainly has the physical ability to be better than he's been.
He's an above average athlete with good leaping ability and who runs the floor well. He seems to have trouble passing out of the double team, and most of his turnovers come from bad decisions as oppossed to not having the ability to pass the ball. Given that he's still very young, and looking at what he's accomplished so far in his short career, he's a very good pickup. His game has improved each year, and thats what your looking for in a player. Opposite comparison, Donte Greene!
Last season taken as a whole was a very good one for a third year PF, but if you just look at the last 15 games and how he played, he took a giant step.
These are his stats for the final 15 games. 19.6 PPG, 11.8 RPG, while shooting 51.8% from the floor. Those numbers are nothing to sneeze at, and if they're an indicator of whats to come, the Kings just got a lot better.
Also, I don't think this aqquisition is in anyway related to what happens with Dalembert, or if not Dalembert, the center position. I also don't think it will effect Thompsons status on the team. Thompson can play center as well as PF, and that makes him very valuable. Hickson would really struggle at the center position.
Last year, with the leaving of LeBron, he was asked to step into the role of being one of the top offensive options. During the offseason he had worked on his mid-range jumper, and tried to incorporate into his game. With mixed results. Right now JT has a better jumper than Hickson. But as the season went on, his efficiency went up. In other words it took Hickson a while to adapt to his new role. That also played a part in his less than stellar defense, which by the way was better under Brown. He hasn't been much of a shotblocker, and he certainly has the physical ability to be better than he's been.
He's an above average athlete with good leaping ability and who runs the floor well. He seems to have trouble passing out of the double team, and most of his turnovers come from bad decisions as oppossed to not having the ability to pass the ball. Given that he's still very young, and looking at what he's accomplished so far in his short career, he's a very good pickup. His game has improved each year, and thats what your looking for in a player. Opposite comparison, Donte Greene!
Last season taken as a whole was a very good one for a third year PF, but if you just look at the last 15 games and how he played, he took a giant step.
These are his stats for the final 15 games. 19.6 PPG, 11.8 RPG, while shooting 51.8% from the floor. Those numbers are nothing to sneeze at, and if they're an indicator of whats to come, the Kings just got a lot better.
Also, I don't think this aqquisition is in anyway related to what happens with Dalembert, or if not Dalembert, the center position. I also don't think it will effect Thompsons status on the team. Thompson can play center as well as PF, and that makes him very valuable. Hickson would really struggle at the center position.
