Should the Kings get a new coach next year ?
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yes either John Vincent Calipari, Byron Scott or Jerry Sloan please!!!!!
Calipari very hard on his players see Nets, but I would love to see him as the "franchise" new coach where ever our team plays. he has the respect of rekeDMC and potential of us drafting Knight or Jones.
I have always been a fan of Byron Scott he should have been our coach after Kings burned the Adelman bridge.
Jerry Sloan...HOFC.
Calipari very hard on his players see Nets, but I would love to see him as the "franchise" new coach where ever our team plays. he has the respect of rekeDMC and potential of us drafting Knight or Jones.
I have always been a fan of Byron Scott he should have been our coach after Kings burned the Adelman bridge.
Jerry Sloan...HOFC.
As I said when it happened, if they could get Jerry Sloan, you replace PW in a fast SECOND!
I like PW and he took blame when it was player's faults, but the fact remains that this team STILL doesn;t know how to run OR defend against the 2 most common (and potent) offensive sets in the league:
The pick-and-roll, and the set-screen play to get an open shot when they REALLY need it.
What do the Kings run when they need a basket to win a game?
Hell, the 1-4 flat is not even a PLAY - it's an individual, trying to penetrate - it hardly needs to be coached.
I like PW and he took blame when it was player's faults, but the fact remains that this team STILL doesn;t know how to run OR defend against the 2 most common (and potent) offensive sets in the league:
The pick-and-roll, and the set-screen play to get an open shot when they REALLY need it.
What do the Kings run when they need a basket to win a game?
Hell, the 1-4 flat is not even a PLAY - it's an individual, trying to penetrate - it hardly needs to be coached.
I have flip flopped on Westy more than any other factor surrounding this team. At this point, I'll say keep him, until I hear something concrete, and a substantially better coaching option. Maybe substantially is the wrong word, but I wouldn't consider anyone else unless it was a definite upgrade.
There have been many things Westy has done which I have disagreed with, and still believe with a better coach, we'd have a better record. But Tyreke hadn't been healthy all year until the recent 5 game stretch. Many here acted like Tyreke just lost his skillset over the summer, but I always mantained that the problem was his foot. That set us back from the beginning, and obviously had an affect on Westy, as it would any coach. Dally was injured throughout training camp, and it took a little while for him to get his rhythm. While I do blame him for some of the inconsistent play from our young sf's, mainly not giving them consistency or much confidence in Donte's case, I can't blame him for none of our sf's being starting caliber nba sf's. We don't have one on this roster. It's also tough when Tyreke is out, and we hadn't traded for Thornton yet, and you're forced to give guys like Head and Pooh 30+ minutes because of zero depth at the guard positions.
This was the year i was going to judge whether or not we should keep Westy, but I can't objectively say he's been given a fair shake. Not with the roster he was dealt, along with the injuries we've suffered. But that certainly coesn't mean I agree with everthing he does. Far from it.
But right now he has a more talented roster than 2 months ago, and a healthy Tyreke, and a more mature Cousins. He settled into a rotation, and the guys seem to be not only playing very hard for him, but are enjoying playing for him as well. Omri being the obvious exception. As a result, we're winning. I agree with everyone who thinks it can be very risky to make a switch now, with guys finally settling in, understanding their roles, as we continue to build momentum. I want a Dally/Cousins starting duo next year. Would another coach? I like Tyreke/Thornton together, and would like to see that next year as well. Would another coach? I'm also worried about how another coach will handle Cousins. There are just too many ways to screw this up at the moment. That's why if we make a change, Petrie/Maloofs better be 100% sure it will work out better. There is absolutely no reason to take an unnecessary risk right now.
I'd also say, despite any feelings I have, if i was betting, I'd bet that Westy is the head coach on opening night next season. And I would say it isn't close to 50/50. More like 80/20 in favor of him staying around.
There have been many things Westy has done which I have disagreed with, and still believe with a better coach, we'd have a better record. But Tyreke hadn't been healthy all year until the recent 5 game stretch. Many here acted like Tyreke just lost his skillset over the summer, but I always mantained that the problem was his foot. That set us back from the beginning, and obviously had an affect on Westy, as it would any coach. Dally was injured throughout training camp, and it took a little while for him to get his rhythm. While I do blame him for some of the inconsistent play from our young sf's, mainly not giving them consistency or much confidence in Donte's case, I can't blame him for none of our sf's being starting caliber nba sf's. We don't have one on this roster. It's also tough when Tyreke is out, and we hadn't traded for Thornton yet, and you're forced to give guys like Head and Pooh 30+ minutes because of zero depth at the guard positions.
This was the year i was going to judge whether or not we should keep Westy, but I can't objectively say he's been given a fair shake. Not with the roster he was dealt, along with the injuries we've suffered. But that certainly coesn't mean I agree with everthing he does. Far from it.
But right now he has a more talented roster than 2 months ago, and a healthy Tyreke, and a more mature Cousins. He settled into a rotation, and the guys seem to be not only playing very hard for him, but are enjoying playing for him as well. Omri being the obvious exception. As a result, we're winning. I agree with everyone who thinks it can be very risky to make a switch now, with guys finally settling in, understanding their roles, as we continue to build momentum. I want a Dally/Cousins starting duo next year. Would another coach? I like Tyreke/Thornton together, and would like to see that next year as well. Would another coach? I'm also worried about how another coach will handle Cousins. There are just too many ways to screw this up at the moment. That's why if we make a change, Petrie/Maloofs better be 100% sure it will work out better. There is absolutely no reason to take an unnecessary risk right now.
I'd also say, despite any feelings I have, if i was betting, I'd bet that Westy is the head coach on opening night next season. And I would say it isn't close to 50/50. More like 80/20 in favor of him staying around.
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Do you believe this team and personnel are incapable of running a screen play to get an open shot?
Do you think the personnel simply cannot learn what EVERY other team in the NBA learns, and run a pick-and-roll with a guard and big man?
I'm curious to hear the (usually informative) analysis by you guys which helps me understand why the guards and big men we have on this team are incapable of running plays that every other team does (and that they undoubtedly HAVE run on other teams).
Jerry Sloan ran the same exact plays when he had complete SHLUBS on that team, the years between John Stockton and DWill's ascendance.
When AK-47 and Matt Hapring were major offensive weapons for them *eyeroll* Sloan made sure every player played hard, and knew the plays, and executed the damn plays.
What is your support for any assertion that assumes Sloan could not get this personnel to run the plays (when it flies in the face of historical evidence)?
Do you think the personnel simply cannot learn what EVERY other team in the NBA learns, and run a pick-and-roll with a guard and big man?
I'm curious to hear the (usually informative) analysis by you guys which helps me understand why the guards and big men we have on this team are incapable of running plays that every other team does (and that they undoubtedly HAVE run on other teams).
Jerry Sloan ran the same exact plays when he had complete SHLUBS on that team, the years between John Stockton and DWill's ascendance.
When AK-47 and Matt Hapring were major offensive weapons for them *eyeroll* Sloan made sure every player played hard, and knew the plays, and executed the damn plays.
What is your support for any assertion that assumes Sloan could not get this personnel to run the plays (when it flies in the face of historical evidence)?
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In the two years Slon did not have a great pure pg running his system (03-04) his teams won 42 and 26 games, scored 88.7ppg and 93.0ppg and in general did nothing to make you believe the system works universally. Its designed around the great single pillar ballhandler. Even if you want to add in Deron's first year when he was a part timer they still only averaged 93.5ppg.
I think it's a tough choice. My tendency at this point would be to keep him, for the following reasons:
1. We are finally playing well, and if it aint broke, don't fix it.
2. Unless his replacement is someone like Adelman, Sloan, Phil Jackson, or Pops, getting a new coach is just as risky as keeping Westphal.
3. The possibility of a lockout. Getting a new coach without giving him the opportunity to coach is a waste of money.
On the other hand, there are reasons to suspect that keeping him might backfire:
1. If he goes back to his tinkering ways and the team falls off the cliff again, it will be too late to pursue Adelman or Sloan midseason.
2. We are playing well now, but that is the level we were expected to play all season before the season started. With the addition of Dally and DMC and the extra year of experience Tyreke, Omri, Donte, and JT gained, we should have been at least a 35-40 win team in the first place (there was no reason for GSW, for example, to make better progress than us). The fact that our current play is perceived as spectacular is not a testament to how good Westphal is, but how bad he was before Thornton came and pushed the reset button.
3. Like I said, if it aint broke, don't fix it, but in reality, this is an NBA team, and every team without exception has bumps throughout its journey. Is Westphal the guy who is able to fix things when we go into a slump or a long losing streak? So far he hasn't shown the ability to do the things needed to do to right the ship. He was lost for nearly two seasons until GP got rid of Head and Wright and brought in Thornton.
So, I would probably keep him at this point, but I would brace myself in fear that it will come back to bite me in the ***. And if there is a real possibility of getting Sloan or Adelman, I dump Westphal and go for them.
1. We are finally playing well, and if it aint broke, don't fix it.
2. Unless his replacement is someone like Adelman, Sloan, Phil Jackson, or Pops, getting a new coach is just as risky as keeping Westphal.
3. The possibility of a lockout. Getting a new coach without giving him the opportunity to coach is a waste of money.
On the other hand, there are reasons to suspect that keeping him might backfire:
1. If he goes back to his tinkering ways and the team falls off the cliff again, it will be too late to pursue Adelman or Sloan midseason.
2. We are playing well now, but that is the level we were expected to play all season before the season started. With the addition of Dally and DMC and the extra year of experience Tyreke, Omri, Donte, and JT gained, we should have been at least a 35-40 win team in the first place (there was no reason for GSW, for example, to make better progress than us). The fact that our current play is perceived as spectacular is not a testament to how good Westphal is, but how bad he was before Thornton came and pushed the reset button.
3. Like I said, if it aint broke, don't fix it, but in reality, this is an NBA team, and every team without exception has bumps throughout its journey. Is Westphal the guy who is able to fix things when we go into a slump or a long losing streak? So far he hasn't shown the ability to do the things needed to do to right the ship. He was lost for nearly two seasons until GP got rid of Head and Wright and brought in Thornton.
So, I would probably keep him at this point, but I would brace myself in fear that it will come back to bite me in the ***. And if there is a real possibility of getting Sloan or Adelman, I dump Westphal and go for them.
This isn't NBA 2k11. Just because a lineup works now doesn't necessarily mean that it would have worked from the beginning of the season, when DMC was fouling out of almost every game, forcing a lot more etc. What makes you think that he could have worked so well with Dalembert right from the start? And don't forget Landry was our best post scorer last season (and second leading scorer behind Tyreke if I'm not wrong). You don't just go OK Carl Landry you go to the bench and I'm going to start my rookie who can't play D and Sammy D who has a career reputation as being rather useless on offense.
I also didn't realise that you pictured us having Marcus Thornton from the beginning of the season.
I also didn't realise that you pictured us having Marcus Thornton from the beginning of the season.
I have to agree with this. I don't think Westphal is the best coach for the team by a longshot. But in fairness to him, he's had to deal with some issues that haven't helped. But he's also made a lot of mistakes, and for those that are willing to do the research, he did similiar things in Seattle. But unless you have have someone lined up thats significantly better, then I'd just as soon go along with him for another year. You can always fire him halfway through the year if it gets too bad.
