Kings to Anaheim? Details on a Proposed Plan

[Mike0476]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/blogs/2011/01/kings-to-anaheim-details-on-a-proposed-plan/

KFBK's Rob McAlliser reported:

“A recent meeting between the two sides went as so: It seems that Henry Samueli (owner of the NHL’s Anaheim Ducks) would give the Kings a 100-million dollar loan to move the team to Anaheim. The Kings could use that cash to pay off debt, as well as cover territorial rights fees that would be owed to the Lakers and Clippers for moving to the Los Angeles area. The Maloof’s would keep majority stake in the team, but should the Palms’ owners default, Samueli would likely get some control of the Kings. How much control is not clear.”

 

[Mike0476]

Here's the official story on KFBK's web site:

http://kfbk.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=172730&article=8031904

 

[kennadog]

Well, I have always figured Anaheim was a very likely possibility. It would appeal to the Maloofs. Lots of rich folks in Orange County. Sand, sun, beach babes and glamor. Puts the Maloofs much closer to Las Vegas. And Orange County alone has a huge population, before you even talk about people from surrounding counties that would be closer to Anaheim than Staples.

Not good from my point of view really, because its damn SoCal. Won't Lakers fans love to rub our noses in that.

 

[Arena Skeptic]

Really, really bad news.

This is what the bidding process looks like. You can bet Ellison and Seattle are also involved.

But really, Power Balance Pavilion? That was the only way to keep them? Ouch.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Anaheim seems like a dumb move to me. Take a 100 million dollar loan to pay relocation fees, have to compete with two other NBA teams a few miles away, and risk not even being a majority owner if they can't pay the loan, all so you can play in a nicer area? I'd rather play in a barn than move on those terms if I were The Maloofs.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Not good from my point of view really, because its damn SoCal. Won't Lakers fans love to rub our noses in that.

I honestly couldn't care less about that aspect of it. I don't see San Jose as a consolation prize just because it's in Norcal. If The Kings move it's going to sting just as much for me regardless of where they end up.

 

[Mike0476]

Really, really bad news.

This is what the bidding process looks like. You can bet Ellison and Seattle are also involved.

But really, Power Balance Pavilion? That was the only way to keep them? Ouch.

Seattle will not get a team until they can get a new arena too.

Furthermore, would you rather have no naming rights sold and call it Sacramento Sports Arena or sell the naming rights?

You're far too negative and your comments remind me of those naysayers on the Bee.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Seattle will not get a team until they can get a new arena too.

Furthermore, would you rather have no naming rights sold and call it Sacramento Sports Arena or sell the naming rights?

You're far too negative and your comments remind me of those naysayers on the Bee.

At this point, I don't think you can really call AreneSkeptic negative. The writing has been on the wall for years and time is running out. It's never been a question of will they leave but a question of will a new arena get built in time so they don't leave. At this point, any reasonable person would have a tough time believing an arena is going to get built. the only thing I can see as somewhat of a positive is that Kevin Johnson is doing everything he can, but he can only do so much.

 

[kingsboi]

Why Anaheim though? I mean come on, it's too close already to the other two LA teams and its like we are going to be a third wheel or something. Plus the majority of fans would be Laker fans. Yuck! I'm sorry but I wouldn't approve a move to Anaheim at all, as I mentioned a couple of months ago. When the Kings do move, and they will eventually....I want it to be somewhere where they are the ONLY NBA team in town, no body else. But that's just me.

 

[Mike0476]

At this point, I don't think you can really call AreneSkeptic negative. The writing has been on the wall for years and time is running out. It's never been a question of will they leave but a question of will a new arena get built in time so they don't leave. At this point, any reasonable person would have a tough time believing an arena is going to get built. the only thing I can see as somewhat of a positive is that Kevin Johnson is doing everything he can, but he can only do so much.

Respectfully, I disagree because AS has posted negative comments for quite some time now. AS's comments reminds me of someone on the Bee too. Finally, take a good look at their user name. 'Nuff said.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Respectfully, I disagree because AS has posted negative comments for quite some time now. AS's comments reminds me of someone on the Bee too. Finally, take a good look at their user name. 'Nuff said.

Well, I think a lot of us are arena skeptics, we'd be silly not to be given the history. We just don't all call ourselves by it.

 

[Vlade4GM]

If this happens, can't you guys at least be happy for me that the Kings will be 20 minutes away from my house?

 

[Spok22]

horrible horrible news.

 

[Section 101]

Anaheim seems like a dumb move to me. Take a 100 million dollar loan to pay relocation fees, have to compete with two other NBA teams a few miles away, and risk not even being a majority owner if they can't pay the loan, all so you can play in a nicer area? I'd rather play in a barn than move on those terms if I were The Maloofs.

You actually got one right. There is a huge risk by taking the loan. If they default they lose shares for the Kings. They could lose controlling interest. They would have to make a lot of money to cover the cost of the payments on the loan. Do they really want to add more debt to their portforlio in a CA economy that's going no where?

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

From an outsider like myself who has never been to Sacramento or California, I would much rather have the team stay in the same state then move to Kansas City or Seattle.

Dont get me wrong, I want them to stay in Sacramento .. but if they MUST move, I think it is in the Maloofs best interest to keep the team in California. You will lose a lot of fans by moving, but if you stay in the same state you have to figure a good chunk of fans will come with you.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Yeah this sounds like a crap deal. Someone serious about relocating the Kings will offer them much sweeter deal without a backdoor into a hostile takeover.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

From an outsider like myself who has never been to Sacramento or California, I would much rather have the team stay in the same state then move to Kansas City or Seattle.

Dont get me wrong, I want them to stay in Sacramento .. but if they MUST move, I think it is in the Maloofs best interest to keep the team in California. You will lose a lot of fans by moving, but if you stay in the same state you have to figure a good chunk of fans will come with you.

The whacky thing is that I could accept them moving back to Kansas City because that was their home before they came to Sac. I wouldn't like it, but if Sac is pushing them out so be it. Seattle I could not handle as that is my geographical rival where I live now.

Trust me as someone who has lived in both places that moving to Anaheim would be like a Boston team moving to NY.

 

[Arena Skeptic]

I'm really pissed that this is happening. If that makes me negative, I'm sorry. I don't want them to leave.

And if they do leave... Anaheim? Could it be worse? If so, how?

Oh, I know, let's keep them in town by getting a naming-rights deal with a scam company from whom I absolutely will not be purchasing products -- not even as a joke.

Joe Maloof said he likes the trejectory the company is on. Fine. Cabbage Patch Dolls were on a great trejectory, too. Pet Rocks were on a great trejectory too. Beanie Babies were on a great trejectory too.

See a pattern?

Getting naming rights from Power Balance is every bit as bad as moving to Anaheim. I will not associate with that product. Period.

I guess that makes me negative to some, while others surely agree.

Power Balance. I frickin' hate this, guys. I'd rather go to Zoom Imaging Systems Arena.

It's snake oil. Get it?

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I still don't get the uproar about the rights deal. As I pointed out in the other thread, our last deal was with a company that wound up being a little controversial this past year. Orlando sold to Amway, a company that many swear by and yet many are convinced is a pyramid scheme and a cult. Houston sold their ballpark naming rights to Enron who quickly went belly up before anybody really noticed. You can probably go on and on with many of these arenas having naming rights with banks that may or may not have had a hand in our current economic woes. The airline naming rights are probably only safe until the next major airline disaster. I wish for a return to days when arenas didn't have stupid corporate names attached to them but those are long gone. And so the Power Balance name is relatively harmless by those standards and its pretty safe to say that Power Balance won't bring down the economy or destroy an entire economic region and ecosystem.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

The whacky thing is that I could accept them moving back to Kansas City because that was their home before they came to Sac. I wouldn't like it, but if Sac is pushing them out so be it. Seattle I could not handle as that is my geographical rival where I live now.

Trust me as someone who has lived in both places that moving to Anaheim would be like a Boston team moving to NY.

I get this all the time, and while it would be foolish of me to try and argue with you about it ( because I simply do not have the first hand knowledge you do ) I guess I just dont understand why that is.

I consider myself a well rounded sports fan. I could go on for hours about anything from MMA to Basketball to Volleyball. And to my knowledge, there is no sports related rivalry between Sacramento and Anaheim. NY and Boston has such a rich sports history in every major sport .. Jets vs. Pats, Yanks vs. Sox, Rangers vs. Bruins, Celtics vs. Knicks... And a huge part of all those rivalries is the "New York" in the name. I dont think its the state of New York, but just the name "New York".

There is little to no rivalry when it comes to the Buffalo Bills, or the Buffalo Sabres. I guess there is a little something there, but nothing like the teams with "New York" in front of them.

To my knowledge, the big Sacramento rivalry is more of a NorCal vs. SoCal thing. Which I totally get. And I understand Anaheim is a SoCal city, but I feel like its more of a "Buffalo" then a "New York" if that makes any sense at all. Now, if the team moved to LA I would agree with you 100%. Thats a Boston to New York move, because you have the territorial rivalry of NorCal/SoCal and a sports rivalry of LA/Sacramento.

Just to stay on the move topic, sure, I would hate it if a Boston team moved to Buffalo (or anywhere outside of MA) but I would prefer Buffalo over New York City. And I would prefer Buffalo over somewhere like Texas or Florida (or any equivalent to Kansas City). because at least it is closer.

If I sound totally ignorant I apologize to all the Sacramento natives, but this is just how I see it.

 

[kennadog]

The naming rights deal has nothing to do with whether the team stays or goes. I'm sure the Maloofs have an out in the contract if they move.

Arena Skeptic hasn't had anything, but negative comments about the arena issue for as long as I can remember. For all that time, he/she has reminded me of the comments of the naysayers in the Bee's comments section. We all know the team could move and we've all known that for some time. We didn't all trash all hope the whole time.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I get this all the time, and while it would be foolish of me to try and argue with you about it ( because I simply do not have the first hand knowledge you do ) I guess I just dont understand why that is.

I consider myself a well rounded sports fan. I could go on for hours about anything from MMA to Basketball to Volleyball. And to my knowledge, there is no sports related rivalry between Sacramento and Anaheim. NY and Boston has such a rich sports history in every major sport .. Jets vs. Pats, Yanks vs. Sox, Rangers vs. Bruins, Celtics vs. Knicks... And a huge part of all those rivalries is the "New York" in the name. I dont think its the state of New York, but just the name "New York".

There is little to no rivalry when it comes to the Buffalo Bills, or the Buffalo Sabres. I guess there is a little something there, but nothing like the teams with "New York" in front of them.

To my knowledge, the big Sacramento rivalry is more of a NorCal vs. SoCal thing. Which I totally get. And I understand Anaheim is a SoCal city, but I feel like its more of a "Buffalo" then a "New York" if that makes any sense at all. Now, if the team moved to LA I would agree with you 100%. Thats a Boston to New York move, because you have the territorial rivalry of NorCal/SoCal and a sports rivalry of LA/Sacramento.

Just to stay on the move topic, sure, I would hate it if a Boston team moved to Buffalo (or anywhere outside of MA) but I would prefer Buffalo over New York City. And I would prefer Buffalo over somewhere like Texas or Florida (or any equivalent to Kansas City). because at least it is closer.

If I sound totally ignorant I apologize to all the Sacramento natives, but this is just how I see it.

Let me just say that as a Boston sports fan I don't really think the NorCal-SoCal rivalry is historically as important as the Bos-NY rivalry, but for regional fans it is what we've got. The same as Portland-Seattle up here. I didn't really get it when I moved here, especially since Portland and Seattle only competed in basketball and soccer and just as many Portland people actually root for the Seahawks and Mariners as make up terrible nicknames for the other city.

But on a regional level I do believe NorCal vs. SoCal may actually be even more bitter than Bos-NY because they are the same state and there is a lot of bickering back and forth about laws that harm one end of the state to bolster the other, etc. NY-Bos will never have that because they each have their own government and they are also in many ways on the same page politically and culturally - its more about two prideful towns wanting to be top dog.

eta: one more thing, the distinction between LA and Anaheim for most people is about as large as the Meadowlands being in New Jersey. Just look at the "Los Angeles" Angels of Anaheim. If it was San Diego it might be a small bit different.

 

[Mike0476]

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/1/12/1930739/report-maloofs-have-discussed-100-million-loan-to-take-kings-to

Tom Ziller brought up some good points on why we should not worry about Anaheim. I heard Mark Kreidler give his own opinions and it's kind of the same in which he doesn't look too much into the Power Balance company being based out of Orange County.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

Whether the Kings move to Anaheim or move at all, I don't know why so many people are upset about Anaheim being one of the possibilities more than other cities.

I'm guessing its because Anaheim is close to LA & everyone is relating them to the lakers. You guys need to understand that OC in general and Anaheim is a good sports city by itself. It houses the Angels and the Ducks. The Angels were 5th in the MLB for average attendance while the Dodgers were 3rd. Both the LA Kings and Ducks are in the lower half of average attendance in the NHL. The Ducks are lower but still pulled over 15K fans per game last year in so cal which is a non hockey town that has 2 teams. There are enough fans to go to around for clips/lakers in Staples and Kings in Anaheim.

Many OC sports fans are laker fans because there isn't a closer option. Both LA team are about 2 hrs drive from them during rush hour for weekday games. If Anaheim gets their very own team, there will be a lot of fans there. Especially if you are bringing in a team that already has 2 young stars. There is a big rivalry going between Angels and Dodger fans. Anaheim vs LA. Ducks vs LA Kings. If the OC gets their own NBA team, it will be like that as well.

I totally understand why Sac residents are against the idea of their team moving, but if anything wouldn't it be better if they at least stay in CA? At least its much closer for a road trip game or 2 per season.

 

[kupman]

I'm really pissed that this is happening. If that makes me negative, I'm sorry. I don't want them to leave.

And if they do leave... Anaheim? Could it be worse? If so, how?

Oh, I know, let's keep them in town by getting a naming-rights deal with a scam company from whom I absolutely will not be purchasing products -- not even as a joke.

Joe Maloof said he likes the trejectory the company is on. Fine. Cabbage Patch Dolls were on a great trejectory, too. Pet Rocks were on a great trejectory too. Beanie Babies were on a great trejectory too.

See a pattern?

Getting naming rights from Power Balance is every bit as bad as moving to Anaheim. I will not associate with that product. Period.

I guess that makes me negative to some, while others surely agree.

Power Balance. I frickin' hate this, guys. I'd rather go to Zoom Imaging Systems Arena.

It's snake oil. Get it?

How in the world is the naming rights deal every bit as bad as moving to SoCal? I could care less about the naming rights. It has nothing to do with the Kings. It's just advertising. I could go down the list of names on arena's around the country and voice my significant issues with companies behind the names. Issues that are far more reaching than selling lame bracelets. But here is the deal - it does not matter so why spend any time on it?

 

[Heuge]

Whether the Kings move to Anaheim or move at all, I don't know why so many people are upset about Anaheim being one of the possibilities more than other cities.

Clearly you are not from Sacramento. I would rather the Kings fold then go to SoCal. The mere mention of the possiblity of the Maloofs talking to a SoCal city makes me sick. I hope this all isnt true.

 

[fansinceday1]

Personally I dont care where the Kings go cause once they leave the NBA is dead to me.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Clearly you are not from Sacramento. I would rather the Kings fold then go to SoCal. The mere mention of the possiblity of the Maloofs talking to a SoCal city makes me sick. I hope this all isnt true.

Exactly. Ultimate herasy... the thought of those smug SoCal bandwagoners taking my team away from me makes me sick.

 

[Section 101]

The naming rights deal has nothing to do with whether the team stays or goes. I'm sure the Maloofs have an out in the contract if they move.

It's a marketing deal with MSE not just the arena name. They will be marketing the product via MSE and the Palms.

 

[sactownfan]

no offense but i live in Orange County and would have season tickets!!!!! sorry guys but if they HAVE to move it should be anaheim