Beno speaking up about Kings offense
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A part time starter blatantly calling out the lowest paid coach in the league. Coach is imploring the players to listen and not play selfish in his post game press conference. And this is going on in November, which is the softest part of the Kings’ schedule. This either starts to turn around pretty quick – or things reach a whole new level of dark really fast.
Thinking about the Jazz game, and this article, this is VERY worrisome.
Both guards that have to deal with this shambles-of-an-offense-that's-defined-by-Tyreke-penetrating are desperately asking the coach for plays to allow them to facilitate an offense.
They are asking this in the MEDIA - which means (guaranteed) they have asked for it repeatedly in practice and PW still is not giving them anything but "penetrate like Tyreke does and then either make the layup or make a brilliant pass in traffic to a big guy who has no clue what to do with it".
If you were a guard on the Kings, what would you do?
For example, Beno penetrated, drawing 2 and 3 defenders and set up Cousins and JT multiple times for easy plays, and they flubbed each time.
The Jazz's slap-happy defense stripped the ball from Beno and Head every other time they drove, and NO fouls were called.
When they tried to make a layup, the Jazz defense would snuff the shot.
They don't have a pick and roll play that works, and the Kings' big men can't set a screen to save their lives (JT is the worst, Darnell Jackson is best IIRC).
Since passing the ball around the 3pt line historically doesn't lead to open shots, it seems that Head and Beno are supposed to drive every play to create the offense.
Problem is - they aren't (last year's) Tyreke : they can't drive the lane successfully all the time - they aren't THAT good. But they sit there with egg on their face when it doesn't work and looks bad.
And since the Kings so seldom pass to their big men down low in the post, it leaves the offense with nothing to do but Tyreke/Beno/Head/Jeter drive and hope for the best.
PW and the assistant coaches had better start coaching, drawing up reliable plays that don't depend on the guard breaking down the entire opposition's defense (that is now set up to stop this "play"), and helping the players to execute them DURING THE GAME really damn soon, or there's gonna be a real ugly media-loud dust-up about this problem, I'm predicting.
I mean - if Tyreke can't drive against the other team, how are Beno and Head supposed to be able to?
Both guards that have to deal with this shambles-of-an-offense-that's-defined-by-Tyreke-penetrating are desperately asking the coach for plays to allow them to facilitate an offense.
They are asking this in the MEDIA - which means (guaranteed) they have asked for it repeatedly in practice and PW still is not giving them anything but "penetrate like Tyreke does and then either make the layup or make a brilliant pass in traffic to a big guy who has no clue what to do with it".
If you were a guard on the Kings, what would you do?
For example, Beno penetrated, drawing 2 and 3 defenders and set up Cousins and JT multiple times for easy plays, and they flubbed each time.
The Jazz's slap-happy defense stripped the ball from Beno and Head every other time they drove, and NO fouls were called.
When they tried to make a layup, the Jazz defense would snuff the shot.
They don't have a pick and roll play that works, and the Kings' big men can't set a screen to save their lives (JT is the worst, Darnell Jackson is best IIRC).
Since passing the ball around the 3pt line historically doesn't lead to open shots, it seems that Head and Beno are supposed to drive every play to create the offense.
Problem is - they aren't (last year's) Tyreke : they can't drive the lane successfully all the time - they aren't THAT good. But they sit there with egg on their face when it doesn't work and looks bad.
And since the Kings so seldom pass to their big men down low in the post, it leaves the offense with nothing to do but Tyreke/Beno/Head/Jeter drive and hope for the best.
PW and the assistant coaches had better start coaching, drawing up reliable plays that don't depend on the guard breaking down the entire opposition's defense (that is now set up to stop this "play"), and helping the players to execute them DURING THE GAME really damn soon, or there's gonna be a real ugly media-loud dust-up about this problem, I'm predicting.
I mean - if Tyreke can't drive against the other team, how are Beno and Head supposed to be able to?
Could be some truth here. The best player on the court isn't great at running the pick and roll (at least not right now). Usually, you want to develop an offense around your best player(s), so I'm not sure there is a perfect answer on this. Until Tyreke gets his outside shooting down, it's going to make it difficult on others in the offense. That said, I don't know why Beno can't use pick and rolls when Tyreke isn't in the game. Doesn't seem like there is a conflict in that situation, and right now Beno isn't playing much with Tyreke on the floor, so why couldn't he do the pick and roll?
I must wonder why is it so hard for Tyreke to run the pick and roll effectively. Him, Landry, Sammy and Cousins needs to put in some extra time to practice their pick and roll. Even if they don't know how to move the ball as a team, pick and roll is the easiest play to run that is very effective.
Landry is a good midrange shooter. There should be a lot more pick and pops for Landry instead of toss him the ball and ISO. Cousins is a decent shooter and can roll and finish inside. Daly should be able to do some pick and roll lobs. Its not that hard.
I think the team is getting frustrated with Reke and its justified to a point.
Landry is a good midrange shooter. There should be a lot more pick and pops for Landry instead of toss him the ball and ISO. Cousins is a decent shooter and can roll and finish inside. Daly should be able to do some pick and roll lobs. Its not that hard.
I think the team is getting frustrated with Reke and its justified to a point.
It shouldnt just be Isos everytime im sick of it and you can tell the players are getting sick of it.
,= we have a talented enough team to run more motion plays, off ball screens,pick and pops,pass and cuts..Im not seeing anyof this right now with us. its just standing around untill someone gets doubled or straight up isos.
Landry wouls be deadly if we used him like we used to use webb at the elbow. Also Reke needs to post up more, everytime hes in the post something good usually happens.
somethins gotta change for us or else we might be lookin at a top 5 pick again...
,= we have a talented enough team to run more motion plays, off ball screens,pick and pops,pass and cuts..Im not seeing anyof this right now with us. its just standing around untill someone gets doubled or straight up isos.
Landry wouls be deadly if we used him like we used to use webb at the elbow. Also Reke needs to post up more, everytime hes in the post something good usually happens.
somethins gotta change for us or else we might be lookin at a top 5 pick again...
Oh, come on, Brick.
Landry does not equal the reason why the Kings don't use any big effectively at the elbow.
Landry is not a black hole. What open person is Landry missing that's near the basket for him to pass it to when he's sitting out there at 18 ft, and either drives or shoots the J?
I'm sure you've seen what I've seen this year - MANY times he has beat his man, the help defense comes, and Landry has passed it perfectly to DMC or other big down low, and they have either blown the shot or gotten fouled.
Those are quite a few assists that have not been credited him this season, that were setup solely by his skills.
To go out of your way to claim Landry is why the Kings don't run motion plays is getting a bit ridiculous, don't you think?
Landry does not equal the reason why the Kings don't use any big effectively at the elbow.
Landry is not a black hole. What open person is Landry missing that's near the basket for him to pass it to when he's sitting out there at 18 ft, and either drives or shoots the J?
I'm sure you've seen what I've seen this year - MANY times he has beat his man, the help defense comes, and Landry has passed it perfectly to DMC or other big down low, and they have either blown the shot or gotten fouled.
Those are quite a few assists that have not been credited him this season, that were setup solely by his skills.
To go out of your way to claim Landry is why the Kings don't run motion plays is getting a bit ridiculous, don't you think?
No they don't but it's not the bigs' fault. The guards don't know how to use a screen to save their lives. They repeatedly go before the big is even in position. They've gotten better at it as of late though. Next time Cousins is given time to get in position look at the screen you see. It will look somewhat like an eclipse.
The offense isn't working right now for anyone, and that includes Tyreke. If this thing was as some posters like to imply designed for Tyreke's benefit its a pretty epic fail. But if we are going to run this whatever it is, then I have to suggest one more change: start Boogie at PF in place of Landry.
I think Coach is right to think we need a secondary option out there in the post next to Reke, bit Carl is just being exposed out there, and his lack of passing ability is helping stall what is already a stalled offense. DeMaecus is the other aggressive post guy, and he likes to move the ball. It will help. And if we keep the rest of the hustle defensive crew out there, then he is alone as defensive weakpoint and replacing the weakest defender amongst the starting 5 anyway. On offense he wil have superior size to every PF he faces, and that may actually help him be abel to finish over them in the post. He's fouling less now, the defense is better. We should make this one more move. I think it may also stabilize the bench a bit, as Landry is a professional scorer coming in off the bench vs, backup guys, and we can just run the frontcourt duo that started for us the last few months of last season and worked pretty well together as our backups now.
DeMarcus may have to chase some mobile guys around the perimeter, but then they will have to deal with him in the post and in a featured role. Might be some impediment since we like DeMarcus on the left block, and that's also where we like Reke's postups, while Landry is a right block player, but these sorts of things can be massaged.
I think Coach is right to think we need a secondary option out there in the post next to Reke, bit Carl is just being exposed out there, and his lack of passing ability is helping stall what is already a stalled offense. DeMaecus is the other aggressive post guy, and he likes to move the ball. It will help. And if we keep the rest of the hustle defensive crew out there, then he is alone as defensive weakpoint and replacing the weakest defender amongst the starting 5 anyway. On offense he wil have superior size to every PF he faces, and that may actually help him be abel to finish over them in the post. He's fouling less now, the defense is better. We should make this one more move. I think it may also stabilize the bench a bit, as Landry is a professional scorer coming in off the bench vs, backup guys, and we can just run the frontcourt duo that started for us the last few months of last season and worked pretty well together as our backups now.
DeMarcus may have to chase some mobile guys around the perimeter, but then they will have to deal with him in the post and in a featured role. Might be some impediment since we like DeMarcus on the left block, and that's also where we like Reke's postups, while Landry is a right block player, but these sorts of things can be massaged.
The only big with the talent to run the offense through him on our team is Cousins. He's shown the court vision, passing ability and will to do it - the only problem is he's a rookie and still has a bit of learnin' to do. Landry is much more suited to an off the bench offensive spark plug to be honest - where it won't matter if when it gets to him the offense stops there as long as he can do work and get it in the bucket (which he usually can). You would have to run DMC at PF, which isn't a bad thing if he got a bit quicker and lost some weight but in the end we drafted him and envision him as our starting C of the future. His defense still has to grow a bit but he's pretty solid at it already and will get better over time - but when you compare him to Dally at C defensively it's a no contest right now.