Jason Thompson needs to go!!
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OK - KF is full of too many intelligent bball fans to go ga-ga over JT's rebounds against the Lakers.
Comparing him to Reggie Evans??
Saying he's a beast??
I only remember ONE rebound that was even contested.
Since when does standing next to the rim and grabbing uncontested caroms equal beastliness?
How little does this guy have to do to get approval from this board?
He was 1 for 6 with 3 fouls which cost us points.
ANYONE could have gotten those defensive rebounds.
Did you guys even watch the game?
Comparing him to Reggie Evans??
Saying he's a beast??
I only remember ONE rebound that was even contested.
Since when does standing next to the rim and grabbing uncontested caroms equal beastliness?
How little does this guy have to do to get approval from this board?
He was 1 for 6 with 3 fouls which cost us points.
ANYONE could have gotten those defensive rebounds.
Did you guys even watch the game?
Even if he doesnt have the rebounding instincts, his size helped a lot. He was probably the tallest player on the floor which mightve helped with his 10 rebounds in 12 minutes. His offense again was pretty garbage. In one play he was being guarded by derek fisher, where he did a spin move and missed the lay in.
Question - when did LA miss the most shots?
Answer - 2nd quarter.
Who got most of those rebounds? JT.
Was it because he was tall, or because of his effort?
I rewatched the 2nd qtr, and no - most of them dropped right to him. 1 or 2 were on missed free throws (which IMO should not be even counted as a rebound, since it artificially skews the stats - Webber benefited from this tremendously during his career).
1 was because he was beaten for position, was in the wrong place, and it bounced OVER everyone right to his hands.
He got credited his 1 and only offensive rebound for the ball bouncing off his hands in traffic, and the possession was given to us.
By my count, only 3 of his 10 rebounds were even contested.
By contrast, DMC and Landry's rebounds were most always contested. Each of them had 3 or more offensive rebounds and they led to put-backs or FT's (unlike JT's). In fact, Landry didn't even get credited for at least one offensive rebound when he had great position and was held by Odom and got FT's out of it.
Despite Landry's 4th-qtr woes, he was by FAR the better rebounder tonight, stats be damned.
And even though his shots didn't fall this game (and he STILL ended up shooting 50%!), I feel much safer with him on the floor and he didn't make bonehead frustration fouls after a missed shot that cost us 2-4 points like JT did.
I'm not going to accept any ret-con about this game that plays up JT's rebounding stats while ignoring the actual game, which was lost in the 2nd qtr when we needed points and JT (and Landry and DMC and Tyreke and Head and everyone) didn't convert his opportunities.
Answer - 2nd quarter.
Who got most of those rebounds? JT.
Was it because he was tall, or because of his effort?
I rewatched the 2nd qtr, and no - most of them dropped right to him. 1 or 2 were on missed free throws (which IMO should not be even counted as a rebound, since it artificially skews the stats - Webber benefited from this tremendously during his career).
1 was because he was beaten for position, was in the wrong place, and it bounced OVER everyone right to his hands.
He got credited his 1 and only offensive rebound for the ball bouncing off his hands in traffic, and the possession was given to us.
By my count, only 3 of his 10 rebounds were even contested.
By contrast, DMC and Landry's rebounds were most always contested. Each of them had 3 or more offensive rebounds and they led to put-backs or FT's (unlike JT's). In fact, Landry didn't even get credited for at least one offensive rebound when he had great position and was held by Odom and got FT's out of it.
Despite Landry's 4th-qtr woes, he was by FAR the better rebounder tonight, stats be damned.
And even though his shots didn't fall this game (and he STILL ended up shooting 50%!), I feel much safer with him on the floor and he didn't make bonehead frustration fouls after a missed shot that cost us 2-4 points like JT did.
I'm not going to accept any ret-con about this game that plays up JT's rebounding stats while ignoring the actual game, which was lost in the 2nd qtr when we needed points and JT (and Landry and DMC and Tyreke and Head and everyone) didn't convert his opportunities.
If those uncontested rebounds are so easy to get, then why didn't someone else do it. You forget that he averaged just under 9 boards a game last year. You should be a politician, you would be perfect. Blame the guy when he doesn't do something, and don't give him credit when he does. You don't like him, I get that. But unfortunately its screwing up your ability to make honest judgements about a player. You failed to notice I suspect that he played great defense while in there, and the fact that he was playing SF while in there. You think he just happened to be under the basket when he got those rebounds. What he was doing was basketball 101. He was under the basket blocking out. That my friend is how your suspossed to get rebounds.
Good points on JT. Yes he missed a close up but we're only 5 games into the season. I think we all agree that Thompson is not a starter but once he picks up his scoring he will be a huge asset. Last season in the second half Jason's shot was money and I like to think he will work back into that form.
Don't know how many of you read the Bee, but Westphal wants to play JT as the backup 3 as much as possible. Also said members of the organization realize JT struggles finishing inside, and they think he has more upside playing away from the basket. The article said Westphal looks at JT as Omri's backup. Can't say I disagree with trying this, especially given Jt's struggles in the paint. How that works on defense, I'm not sure at this point. But it's worth a try before giving up on him.
Not a good sign for Donte though. Converting JT to sf before giving Donte a chance to fill that role. Donte is officially the 12th man.
Not a good sign for Donte though. Converting JT to sf before giving Donte a chance to fill that role. Donte is officially the 12th man.
And again such a dramatic fall from grace, or non-grace. I am sticking with my Donte and Coach's daughter theory until its proven to me he has no daughter.
And JT as a SF...um...there seem to be some weird and melodramatic moves being made on our roster for so early in the season. Panicky even. If you have a big who struggles to finish inside, you just don't have him shoot it much. Its not hard. Or you trade him. You don't try to convert him into a backup tweener forward where he loses his athletic advantage and is pulled away from the hoop and his greatest strength (rebounding). These are two young pieces with midrange value coming into the season (Donte/JT, if after 5 games of the season you have already given up on them in order to satisfy your scrub of the week Jackson/Head fetish, then you need to trade them while they are still considered talented young pieces. Or you just need to calm the hell down as a coach. Now the one thing that should be noted there is the author (Voison) and the nature of the paragrpah in question. You notice where there is a quoteless statement that Westphal intends to continue trying JT at SF, followed by a paragraph break, and then a new paragraph that says "some wihtin the organization beleive" -- you have to read Voison to understand just how weak and constructed that series of statements is, and how great the possibility is that it is her own opinion given additional weight by attributing it to nameless quoteless faces behind the scene.
And JT as a SF...um...there seem to be some weird and melodramatic moves being made on our roster for so early in the season. Panicky even. If you have a big who struggles to finish inside, you just don't have him shoot it much. Its not hard. Or you trade him. You don't try to convert him into a backup tweener forward where he loses his athletic advantage and is pulled away from the hoop and his greatest strength (rebounding). These are two young pieces with midrange value coming into the season (Donte/JT, if after 5 games of the season you have already given up on them in order to satisfy your scrub of the week Jackson/Head fetish, then you need to trade them while they are still considered talented young pieces. Or you just need to calm the hell down as a coach. Now the one thing that should be noted there is the author (Voison) and the nature of the paragrpah in question. You notice where there is a quoteless statement that Westphal intends to continue trying JT at SF, followed by a paragraph break, and then a new paragraph that says "some wihtin the organization beleive" -- you have to read Voison to understand just how weak and constructed that series of statements is, and how great the possibility is that it is her own opinion given additional weight by attributing it to nameless quoteless faces behind the scene.
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