Tha Kali Way
G-League
to all u who are sayin oh its 2 games into the season....did you not watch JT last season?!!? thats really where my original post came from, the game last nite just got me even more heated!!
Jason Thompson needs to go!!
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What are your expectations from JT though? Do you expect him to be a all star or something? He is a capable big man who will grab boards and hit a jumper here and there. He's a bone head in the paint that can't finish like Landry or Demarcus who also happens to be inconsistent as hell. However with that said he does alot of scrappy work for us under the boards and with our new tougher team look he fits in too well for us to wanna shop him 2 games into a new year. I really believe we would miss the hell outta him out there if we got rid of him as well.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
ok, so lets trade him. for who? please list some viable candidates for trades? i think he needs a veteran mentor to help him slow down his game. he rushes stuff and gets frustrated easily. he has size, athleticism, consistent jump shot, rebounding ability. he just needs to put it together. imo, i think it would be too early to trade him. some team w/ a midget frontline would love to have him.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
I completely agree with you. I have seen bad and frustrating games from Thompson but I have seen a number of games where he has performed well with both his offense and his rebounding, hustle, and attitude. He does need to keep the good and throw away the bad. But get rid of him? No. If Landry, Cousins, Dalembert, or others could play better, for more minutes, there would be no reason to play Thompson. We aren't there yet.
Fear the Putin
Starter
How is demarcus inconsistent?
He's played 2...let me say that again....2 regular season games.
Landry finishes. Demarcus had incredible poise for a 20 year old rookie.
Jason on the other hand is entering his 3rd year and he continues to ***** after every foul. Continues to miss point blank shots. Continues to make ridiculous turnovers and has a dumbfounded look on his face after every ridiculous play.
gunks
Hall of Famer
A lot of bigs take time. I'm a JT supporter. I'm not going to overlook his flaws, he has a lot, and they've all been brought up numerous times already in this thread.
But JT has shown some stretches, not flashes, but stretches of being a legit big for us. He had that terrible slump in the middle of last year, but at the start and ending months of the season he was a legit 15/8.5/1blk player. If he can find consistancy and maintain those numbers over a season then it would be foolish to trade him. The fact that he plays with energy, and can put in minutes at the 4 or 5 makes him a perfect bench big. He is also a great locker room guy, and puts in work off the court (one of our only in shape players over the summer).
3 seasons is what is generally thrown out there as how long you have to wait to see what you have in a big. JT has sucked these first two games, but lets at least give the guy until the allstar break to throw him under the bus.
But JT has shown some stretches, not flashes, but stretches of being a legit big for us. He had that terrible slump in the middle of last year, but at the start and ending months of the season he was a legit 15/8.5/1blk player. If he can find consistancy and maintain those numbers over a season then it would be foolish to trade him. The fact that he plays with energy, and can put in minutes at the 4 or 5 makes him a perfect bench big. He is also a great locker room guy, and puts in work off the court (one of our only in shape players over the summer).
3 seasons is what is generally thrown out there as how long you have to wait to see what you have in a big. JT has sucked these first two games, but lets at least give the guy until the allstar break to throw him under the bus.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
You said you haven't seen any improvement in JT since we drafted him. I gave you a number of examples of improvement he has made over the last 2 years. I gave examples including last year. You chose not to respond. Why are you blatantly ignoring the other side of the argument???
If you can't even respond in an intelligent manner, and ignore people who take the time to respond to you, don't start a thread in the first place.
Henkel
Starter
What are you talking about. Donte played much better last season then he did in his rookie year.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Well, there's a lot of bigs in the front court and JT is certainly looking like the odd man out at this point. He could literally be behind Cousins, Daly, Landry, and Jackson. If he is? Goodbye trade value. Probably better to cut ties sooner than later if he's going to fade into the backround.
Odd man out? When Cousins can at best only play well for a half. When Dalembert can only play a quarter? When Jackson is untested? When Landry's excellence in offensive areas sometimes isn't as important as his shortcomings in other areas? JT is really in the back seat? Now is not the time to take away the coach's options, as bad as they may be.
Nighthawk1
Starter
People like to ignore the fact Bigs don't develop into what we want until 4th or 5th year in league for the most part is why.
Also, didn't JT play as a guard for most of his life, even into the beginning of his college career? He's actually had far less time learning how to play like a big man than most other big men, so we can't expect him to be a top-10 PF in his third year in the league.
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some are to want to kick a player to the curb. As far as JT goes, I'm gonna keep the faith...at least a while longer. C-Webb has said more than once that he thinks Jason has the goods, he just needs to learn how to use the skills he has in a consistent manner. And if it's good enough for Webber, it's good enough for this Kings fan.
GO KINGS!!!
GO KINGS!!!
Nighthawk1
Starter
Well said. You have to be patient with young players or other teams will reap the rewards. Remember JT flashes great play that makes you want to see that every night we must be patient with our young players and hope he develops the consistancy we want him to show...
Gabriel
G-League
No. It's not pre-mature. Jason has not improved much at all since entering the league. Whenever he comes in to the game, the Kings struggle. He can't finish around the rim. He's just not a smart player and I wish he was off this team. Actually, it Westphal's fault for playing him.
Coach Westphal needs to step it up as well. We are giving up layups and drives YET he refuses to put in Dalembert wtf is your problem.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That's really kind of a myth, particularly for an "old" rookie like Jason. to whatever degree it would be true for bigs, it would be for 19 year old kids coming in without the bodies to compete with grown men. JT came into the league at 22, is moving toward 25 now. He's full grown. Guys his age used to routinely step right into the league and dominate if they were able to back in the old 4yr college days, and even the slow developers might follow the normal third year rule at best. Very few guys improve by any great leaps after 25, big men or not.
JTs bigges thope has always been thst so many of his errors are essentially mental, adn that's one area of the game where you do keep on getting better. But he's going to have to show that on the court fairly quickly, because we've got to many options now to be coddling hiim. Two games is obviously a ridiculous time period for decisions, but three months and approaching the trade deadline could get interesting, adn Jason would be well advised to not make it interesting for himself.
Nighthawk1
Starter
I would agree with you normally on this subject, but I think the fact that JT was primarily a guard for most of his life until College and NBA allows him some breathing room in my personal opinion anyways. He does have pretty poor BBall IQ I will never argue against that but he brings something to our team which few players do right now - hustle, garbage points (He does clean up around the rim quite well), and most importantly rebounds. Most of our frontline has been pretty pathetic this season (except for Landry's freak game) at rebounding. I expect it to change as the season goes on with Dally healthy and Cousins adjusting and improving.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Have you seen Dalembert run? He is nowhere near being close to being able to play more than 3 minute spurts.
Arco Thunder
Bench
Honestly, the title of this thread makes me a little uncomfortable. Don't you realize that players visit these forums at times? I agree with the comment to give the guy a chance, maybe visit this topic when we are further into the season. Either way as long as JT is a King, I'll support him all the way! GO KINGS!!
Gabriel
G-League
I'm sorry but that is a soft mentality that I don't want this team to have. When Dalembert went in he blocked shots. We could have used that when the cavs were killing us, even if it would just be for 3 minutes.
haithamkhe
Prospect
BEST QHOTE OF THE SEASON SO FAR...LOL......Gunks is correct. it has only been 3 games. Everybody on this team needs to understand their roles in order for this team to excel and be a very good team. Thompson will be given this entire season to see what he can bring for this team. Like dalembert, thompson needs to be the garbage man who rebounds and plays hard. Other than the shotblocking ability, thompson and dalembert are very similar players. Landry and cousins need to be the go to big men who give you the post up moves and points.
Just a side question...Does that part REALLY help your argument?
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Only so many minutes, and trying to squeeze 5 guys into 96 minutes is quite a task. One that quite honestly can't be done without reverberating effects to the trade value of certain players. JT is in the "back seat" as of now and there's not any argument to the contrary and so say the numbers. I'm not saying give up on the guy, or that he sucks or anything, but what I speak is unavoidable fact if the trend continues, take that however you like.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Soft mentality? The guy looks like his foot got ran over by a tractor. Sure he will play but we can't expect him to play major minutes just yet.
What amuses me most is how after 2 years in the league, JT still never thinks that he commits a foul. In the Cavs game he so obviously pushed a guy in the back as he was going up, ref blew the whistle and JT jumps around in sincere shock. It makes you wonder what goes on between his brain and his limbs ... then there were the wide open jumpers he badly missed, the layups he always misses. But I'm still willing to give him a while more, it's way way too early in the season and guys are all trying to get in rhythm and get things going.
If by next year he's still doing such things though I suggest we get rid of him. I said the same thing about Hawes last season and he ended up being traded in the offseason. Hassan has higher upside IMO and should definitely become a better player than JT at the moment. JT has all the skills, the size, and the heart. He's just lacking a bit of the brains and control
If by next year he's still doing such things though I suggest we get rid of him. I said the same thing about Hawes last season and he ended up being traded in the offseason. Hassan has higher upside IMO and should definitely become a better player than JT at the moment. JT has all the skills, the size, and the heart. He's just lacking a bit of the brains and control
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
The thing is, a 6'11" garbage-hustle guy who rebounds and defends relatively well is much more useful than a 7' center who is afraid of grabbing a board and/or generally stepping inside the paint in general despite the fact he had a vast array of post moves at his disposal. I have faith that JT's shot will come back to him. As for the stupid plays, if you're a good team, you probably won't be needing your third big for more than twenty minutes per game at the most anyway (especially when you have two other bigs on the bench ready to contribute [Whiteside will probably take another year or two]) so it then becomes a question of whether JT's good outweighs his bad. In this case, I think it does.
Gabriel
G-League
that was directed towards paul westphal. not the OP.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
You do realize the game Dally missed wednesday snapped his streak of playing in 354 consecutive games right? Dally came back 2-4 weeks ahead of schedule, Westphal had a 10 minutes limit on his playing time in NY, he's coming back from an injury, and it's the 2nd of a back to back. Toughness has nothing to do with it.
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