Nets taking Wes Johnson
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Take it for what it's worth.
A source close to DeMarcus Cousins indicates his preference is to land in Detroit. Feeling is mutual. Not a fan of Sacramento apparently.
2010-06-21 13:43:01
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A source close to DeMarcus Cousins indicates his preference is to land in Detroit. Feeling is mutual. Not a fan of Sacramento apparently.
2010-06-21 13:43:01
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Make up some more stories will ya?
I never said he was garbage, I said he was not in the top 4 unless something happened during workouts, or if something drastic happened in regards to interviews and such.. With those Cousins rumors there ya go. I still don't think he's top 3 or whatever. Quit being stupid. I also said I wouldn't take him because the Kings had a need for a big man, and I wouldn't want him to split time with 2 more 1st round prospects at SF drafted in back to back years. Am I the first thing you think of when you wake up in the morning? I am flattered but don't you have "kingsgirl" or whoever?
EDIT: I still think this is a "rumor" but since Johnson has been killing in his workouts it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him move up. I had said IF someone was going to move up it was going to be him. Still doesn't mean he's a top 4 talent. Plus these are RUMORS so until draft night I will take them for that. BPA for us is not another SF when the talent after Cousins/Favors/Turner/Wall drops off.
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Yah, I am glad Johnson has moved into the top 4 because that makes the #5 that much more interesting because one of the 4 players that the Kings wanted will be sure to fall to us now (if the rumors are true). I am not yet ready to believe it since there has been like a new rumor every hour or so, and DX made that one up about Cousins yesterday.
My whole issue with Johnson is we don't need another SF after grabbing up 2 1st round SFs in the last couple years via draft/trade. Plus Johnson can't play SG because he cannot create his own shot. He is deadly from 3 as a spot up shooter, WHICH WE NEED, but I would rather see what we have first in Casspi, and Greene before we replace them.
We need a BIG, and if BPA is a big we better be grabbing him.
Pretty much, if Johnson goes before we pick then obviously cousins or favors will be available. So it'll be up to Petrie. If he goes Monroe with either of those two sitting there I'd be furious. I can see him maybe MAYBE going Monroe if favors is gone but if cousins is gone he will not hesitate to pick favors.
Let's say we get favors. And I'm saying this knowing it's an extreme long shot. But if we got him, does he start right away? And how would your depth chart look if we drafted him? I think if he started next to sammy we could have landry in the 6th man role that most of us want him to be in. But are you guys fine with JT as a back up C? I'm perfectly fine with it. As a matter of fact I like him in that role and think it's a better spot for him. What do you guys think?
Let's say we get favors. And I'm saying this knowing it's an extreme long shot. But if we got him, does he start right away? And how would your depth chart look if we drafted him? I think if he started next to sammy we could have landry in the 6th man role that most of us want him to be in. But are you guys fine with JT as a back up C? I'm perfectly fine with it. As a matter of fact I like him in that role and think it's a better spot for him. What do you guys think?
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It's not a perfect fit for us. I wouldn't think Favors would be starting from day 1 with Landry and Thompson on the roster. And it would most likely mean that one of them will be gone after next year (in that case, probably Landry doesn't get re-signed). Thompson can play some minutes at C but I don't think his future is starting at that position and Dalembert is most likely a 1 year rental for us. If we get Favors I would think he'll backup Landry this year (or the first half anyway if he impresses and takes over) and then move into the starting lineup for 11-12. Thompson would be the third big off the bench at that point and we'd be shopping for a free agent center next off-season. (Greg Oden?)
Drafting Cousins accelerates the development process. I would put Cousins in as the starter right away and bring Dalembert off the bench. Landry and Thompson split minutes at PF and we decide in the off season how much we want Landry back. If we go free agent shopping it'll probably be for a SG or SF (easier to find and afford) and we'd be a playoff team as early as 2012.
Drafting Cousins accelerates the development process. I would put Cousins in as the starter right away and bring Dalembert off the bench. Landry and Thompson split minutes at PF and we decide in the off season how much we want Landry back. If we go free agent shopping it'll probably be for a SG or SF (easier to find and afford) and we'd be a playoff team as early as 2012.
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Start him right away.. I had a feeling if someone dropped out it might be Favors. I hadn't been reading much about him, but at the same time I hadn't heard much about him either for the last few weeks. That had me thinking he might be the one to fall out of the top 4. Then along comes Cousins issue yesterday about his interviews and such, then the false rumor by DX.. Who knows.. I had a feeling it would take a lot for Johnson to jump into the top 4, and these two circumstances might have moved him into the top 4. All the better, because we don't need another SF, and Johnson isn't a SG.
So if Cousins/Favors/Turner/Wall were all drafted 1-4 and we were looking at Monroe, or Johnson I would have to take Monroe. Johnson moved up to #2 on my list though because Aldrich measured like a SF. So if we were to trade down a pick or two or something and Johnson was there with Monroe not then he would be who I want. I think Johnson is more talented than Greene, but I think Casspi might turn into a Ginobli type player.. So before we take another 1st round SF I would want to make sure the Kings have their business in order about who they want to develop.
If he plays minutes at PF and C he should still be getting 30 minutes a game or so which is starter's minutes. Thompson is a little like Casspi to me at this point -- I'm glad they're both on our team, but right now I think I'd prefer they be very good bench players instead of average starters. You're going to need an 8 or 9 man rotation in the playoffs so those roles are still valuable ones to fill. Of course both of those guys are young enough that they can prove they deserve the starting spot and then you rethink your plan accordingly. The nice thing about Thompson and Favors though is that either one is big enough to play minutes at C. You'd run into a problem when you play against a team with legitimate size (an Orlando or LA or Portland) but you could probably do pretty well with a Thompson/Favors frontcourt duo for a couple years until you decide which guy you want to hang your hat on as the starting PF.
Well yah.. I was thinking what Petrie would probably do. I like Favors!! I want Favors, but I haven't been hearing much about him for the past few weeks. I thought he was a lock for the Nets, and now this rumor came out I started looking more at Favors, but still cannot find much. I didn't get a chance to see him that much in college (about 5-8 games) but I did know he was a tremendous high school talent. Think he was ranked in the top 3 for high school talents the year before last. That's when I started following him.
The same can be said for Landry that he's an energy player off the bench, he's shown he's just as effective starting as he is off the bench although from what I've seen he's even more effective coming off the bench and so is JT but if you have Cousins as that big who scores then JT rebounding and doing what he does then have Dally in for defense and laundry come in and you won't be losing any offense really.
Thing about Landry that is concerning as a starter is rebounding and he just is too small to guard the bigger PF's let's not forget Pau pretty much shot 80% against Landry both times.
Either way would be fine...no telling which line up would be most effective yet.
Thing about Landry that is concerning as a starter is rebounding and he just is too small to guard the bigger PF's let's not forget Pau pretty much shot 80% against Landry both times.
Either way would be fine...no telling which line up would be most effective yet.
JT can play Center. I know a lot of folkes dont want him over there, but he is our tallest player aside from Dalembert, and His numbers were BETTER last year at center.
It doesnt matter who we draft, Favors or Cousins. They both impact the roster the same way.
If you draft Cousins, he plays center with Dalembert and JT/Landry play PF.
You draft Favors and he plays PF with Landry while JT and Dalembert hold down center.
It is too many guys though. They all deserve 30 mpg. I wouldnt mind trading JT for some kind of Combo/pg. Maybe the Twolves take him for Flynn or Sessions? Then you could put Brockman in that backup PF role for 5-10 minutes a night. Greene can cover over there too depending on the matchup. Its unforutunate that Brockman is totally out of the rotation right now, I think he'd be perfect in a limited role. There is also the possibility of trading Dalembert's expriring deal at the deadline to open up some playing time.
Thursday cant come soon enough.
It doesnt matter who we draft, Favors or Cousins. They both impact the roster the same way.
If you draft Cousins, he plays center with Dalembert and JT/Landry play PF.
You draft Favors and he plays PF with Landry while JT and Dalembert hold down center.
It is too many guys though. They all deserve 30 mpg. I wouldnt mind trading JT for some kind of Combo/pg. Maybe the Twolves take him for Flynn or Sessions? Then you could put Brockman in that backup PF role for 5-10 minutes a night. Greene can cover over there too depending on the matchup. Its unforutunate that Brockman is totally out of the rotation right now, I think he'd be perfect in a limited role. There is also the possibility of trading Dalembert's expriring deal at the deadline to open up some playing time.
Thursday cant come soon enough.