Nocioni & Hawes Traded for Dalembert
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Even before this trade the sixers needed long term help at the center position because they were tiring of Dalembert. So, I don't see what really changes. I don't think they were really basing their pick on next season alone, so I think they genuinely like Turner the most, unless it's all been smoke so far.
Completely disagree. I have been one of Spencers biggest supporters on this forum, and I love this move. The positives here greatly outweigh the negatives. The only negative is that Spencer might develop into a good nba center, which I think is a definite possibilty. But it is still only a possibilty. But you don't pass up a deal like this because of what might happen with Spencer down the road. This move improves our team both in the shortrun, and longrun. You think we should put the future of this team on hold so we can wait for Spencer to get up to speed?
I wouldn't link this trade to any plans the Kings might have for the draft. The FO stated that they wanted to get better defensively, and this a good step in that direction. But with Dalembert only having one year left on his contract, and no guarantee he'll be resigned after this season, the trade certainly wouldn't preclude the Kings from drafting another center. Considering that at the moment, Dalembert is the only true center they have on the team.
Also, I don't think the trade means anything in regards to whom they might draft at the center position. Monroe is an offensive player. Cousins is a better offensive player that is also a better defensive player, in my opinion. But if you wanted to read something into it, I would say its sends a message to Cousins agent that he's the man of the future with the Kings. No guarantee he'll be there though.. I think the Kings just got a little bit better. Good start..
Also, I don't think the trade means anything in regards to whom they might draft at the center position. Monroe is an offensive player. Cousins is a better offensive player that is also a better defensive player, in my opinion. But if you wanted to read something into it, I would say its sends a message to Cousins agent that he's the man of the future with the Kings. No guarantee he'll be there though.. I think the Kings just got a little bit better. Good start..
Love it. I think Sixers will take Favors now which means Turner goes to Nets. WJ to Wolves and we still get Cousins. If Cousins develops by Trade Deadline then I think Samuel D. is exactly what a contender could be looking for and we can turn him into more pieces or we keep him as a bench big for the future.
Here's DraftExpress' scouting report on Sam Dalembert: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Samuel-Dalembert-2126/
Like I said earlier, I still think Philly takes Turner, and always WERE going to take Turner, regardless of whatever needs they have...he's just TOO good to NOT take...he can turn that team around in the same way Brandon Roy did a few years ago in Portland. I think IMO(depending on what Wall does)that he will win ROY this year...so no, I dont think Philly takes a big at #2.
We'll see. No one is sure what any of these GMs are thinking. Ford said Collins like Favors.
Frankly, my concern is about the Sixers drafting Cousins. If the Sixers draft Favors instead of Turner, it makes no difference to us because neither are going to fall to us. The only way sixers messes things up for us is if they draft Cousins @ #2 or trade down with Wolves to take Cousins at # 4 & draft Turner @ #2 for wolves.
The chance of Sixers wanting Cousins is less than that of them wanting Favors. But they do have a workout of these 2 coming up. So you do have to think about that. Is it really to evaluate how Favors does against another top prospect big man? or is it to also see DC..
I don't know what Philly's GM is thinking in the draft, but I don't think this trade makes any difference on who they're targeting. They had a long term hole before the trade, and they have one now. There's even a better chance they think Hawes is a long term solution at the 5 than they thought Dalembert was.
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READ WHAT I POSTED!!! This is strictly a move to free up a starting spot for Speights. If anything, PHI might take Favors and slide Brand to a bench spot but that is highly unlikely being they are paying him so much to produce. Maurice Speights is a BEAST, when dude was starting he was putting up something like 16 and 10. They shed D's contract to give Speights a shot at the starting center role, with Spence backing him up. They have a young Jrue Holliday as their pg of the future, Evan Turner makes BEAUCOUP sense for them as another backcourt ball handler with size. BUT, this move is strictly about Speights, nothing else, nothing more.
Well there's our shotblocker/rebounder, at least for a year (somehow we always seem to get those guys just at the end of their contracts). Hallelujah, although I see no reason to stop with only one.
I actually do agree that there is some risk in trading Hawes -- a young center with so many obvious skills. But he's soft, and its been mentioend you don't really teach toughness. He can be skilled as he wants, but if he was never going to toughen up he was never going to be the guy we needed.
I did find Chad Ford's ESPN writeup a little eyebrowraising:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5297829
Hayward continues to worry, and why on Earth we would be trying to draft a THIRD young SF I have no idea. Whatever people may think about a veteran SF, clearly we don't need another young one.
I actually do agree that there is some risk in trading Hawes -- a young center with so many obvious skills. But he's soft, and its been mentioend you don't really teach toughness. He can be skilled as he wants, but if he was never going to toughen up he was never going to be the guy we needed.
I did find Chad Ford's ESPN writeup a little eyebrowraising:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5297829
Hayward continues to worry, and why on Earth we would be trying to draft a THIRD young SF I have no idea. Whatever people may think about a veteran SF, clearly we don't need another young one.
We'd have to start paying him real center money after this year, frankly I'm not willing to commit to that based on what he has shown in 3 seasons. He may very well have a break out year this year and even then you have to wonder if he was solely motivated by improving his contract standing and if he'll go back to the disinterested player with no solid offseason routine that takes half a season to get into game shape guy that he has been with us.
I'm not thrilled with this deal because I had hoped we could use Hawes to help us get a long term piece but basically he has allowed us to get rid of a cancer at minimal cost.
I'm not thrilled with this deal because I had hoped we could use Hawes to help us get a long term piece but basically he has allowed us to get rid of a cancer at minimal cost.