Tyreke Evans ROTY & 20/5/5 Watch

DocHolliday

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gvucko said:
I truly hope that Reke wins the ROY.​


But I do not think he should win because the 20/5/5 alone. It's the intangibles that should favor Reke.​

Most are arguing that 20/5/5 should bring ROY home. After all, only OR, MJ and LJ did this before, right?​

Well, Curry has 5 (please correct me) 30 points 10 assist games. This was only done by (gulp) 2 other players before. OR and MJ. And he broke the rookie record in 3 pointers made (with sick percentage of shots made).​

So based on the tangibles, Curry could, deservingly, receive votes for ROI.​

That being said, basketball is much more than numbers. Reke dominates the game, Reke posts guys like Williams, Billups. Reke is defended by Arizas, Kobes, Sefoloshas, Battiers, LJ... Curry is not.​

I would make it obligatory that everyone who votes should watch at least 5 whole games before being eligible for voting.​

And whoever votes for Jennings (btw, he is a great player) is a certified *******.​

My 5 cents...​
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5 games (Curry) vs Entire Season (Tyreke) = Game Over Tyreke Wins.

What don't people get Curry is on the WARRIORS!!! Don Nelson is the coach. They don't really have a system. Their system is run up the court, and if you're kind open shoot it!!!! If that's what Tyreke did all season it would be ridiculous how much he would have scored.
 
ReinadelosReys

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Bricklayer said:
1 With those guys you just have to trust that Grant/Jerry are right and not just doing their normal used car salesman hype thing when they say most of them are going to vote Reke.
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From Sam Amick's Fanhouse piece this morning

If FanHouse's polling of 23 of the 124 voters of the award is any indication, it's looking likely that Evans will be the ROY winner. Only first- and second-place votes were counted in this small sample size, with Evans leading in first-place votes with 16 followed by Golden State's Stephen Curry (six) and Milwaukee's Brandon Jennings (one). Curry led in second-place votes with 12, while Evans had seven and Jennings had four. Voters still have time to change their minds, of course, as the deadline for votes to be submitted to the league isn't until Thursday.

While Hall of Famer Clyde Drexler doesn't have a vote, the Rockets' color commentator said he saw Evans as the Rookie of the Year "by far" when asked.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/04/13/tyreke-evans-overwhelmed-by-historic-feat/
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SacKings384 said:
This should also be a decent indicator. ESPN just released their writer's ballots... Tyreke has 14 first place votes, followed by 4 for Curry, and 2 for Jennings. Even Hollinger who called Evans a chucker gave him the first place nod. Lookings like this thing is in the bag.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=ROY-0910
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It is, however I do not think all of those guys have actual votes. David Thorpe said yesterday in a radio interview he does not have a vote. I don't think someone like Jalen Rose, Jon Barry or some of the True Hoop people would have a vote as well. Its confusing who actually has a vote. :confused:

tv broadcasters - 30
radio broadcasters - 30
beat writers - 30
And then 34 national writers and broadcasters---whatever the criteria is.
 
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piksi

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Jalen "the retard" Rose picked Jennings.

I am sure - everyone is shocked.

Mashburn and Rose should work - according to their talents - at 7-Eleven
 
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swisshh said:
Sweet Jebus. You are the dumbest poster on this forum. Quite an achievement.
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Naw homie, you are if you can't understand what I'm saying. What does Curry need to improve on? Shooting? No. Ball handling? No. Court awareness? No. Free throws? No. Defense? Yes. So the only thing he needs to improve on is defense, and if he bulks up anymore he is going to lose his offensive explosiveness. So honestly, at 23, he just needs to play and get better at the NBA speed, but his game has only one hole and its defense.
 
SacKings384

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Naw homie, you are if you can't understand what I'm saying. What does Curry need to improve on? Shooting? No. Ball handling? No. Court awareness? No. Free throws? No. Defense? Yes. So the only thing he needs to improve on is defense, and if he bulks up anymore he is going to lose his offensive explosiveness. So honestly, at 23, he just needs to play and get better at the NBA speed, but his game has only one hole and its defense.
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Curry is lacking in things you just can't learn. That's the problem. He will forever be with the likes of the Monte Ellis, Gilbert Arenas, Jamal Crawford types. Guys that have skills but just lack right type of physical attributes to take them to the next level.
 
FaStRmAn

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Mashburn is a moron.
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Jamal Mashburn has ALWAYS been a MORON. So nothing new there. It shouldn't matter, Tyreke should win hands down. Maybe not 100% of the vote but in a landslide. There are always one or 2 votes that don't make any sense. They are like protest votes from petulant children angry that the player they picked early in the year didn't win the vote. Tyreke Evans is a Grown Azz Man! :D

Curry can shoot the ball. So can Kevin Martin. But you wouldn't pick Martin over a player like Carmello Anthony would you? It is the physical prowess of a player that determines if they are a future allstar or just a good player. Curry is slight of frame and will never be a physical specimen. So he can never be a shutdown defender. Tyreke Evans is an unstoppable force when he gets his game going and when he does learn to shoot the jumper consistently, will become a player that can not be stopped. Curry can be stopped now, and has been on several occasions. Curry will never be an unstoppable force because he is frail. Like Kevin Martin. Stephen Curry will be a good player, but he will NEVER EVER be a perennial allstar because he can not nor never will be able to be an all around player like Tyreke is fast becoming. Mashburn was a player like Curry. Talented but lacking in certain areas of his game that made him a good player but never a great player. Scoring is only one aspect of the game.

There are good players, great players, allstar caliber players, perennial allstar players, and then there are Superstars. FEW players ever get past being just great players. Curry may become a great player some day, but that is about the end of his ability. He may make an allstar game or 2 in a down year for the league. BUT The SKY IS THE ONLY LIMIT for Tyreke Evans. He is between good and great now, and in 2 years could be somewhere between great and perennial allstar. In 4 years who knows??? BUT Tyreke as a CHANCE! A chance to be one of the best players in the LEAGUE! A CHANCE to be THE BEST PLAYER in the LEAGUE!! A CHANCE that Curry will NEVER have.

Mashburn knows this but it pisses him off because he knows that is exactly what kept him from being great. Players like Mashburn who can score are a dime a dozen. Even prolific scorers like Mashburn who put up 50 eventually realize that they cant SCORE their way to GREATNESS!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Mashburn

Good player trying to be Great, but never enough to be more than just great. Made one allstar game on a down year. Scored 50 once or twice. Career ended due to physical limitations. He pushed himself to be great only to be injured. I often wonder about players in the mid to late 80's to mid 90's now and how much a role steroids played in there becoming great players.

This is just a guess but Steroids probably made Mash from a good to a borderline great player. But that was the end of the road for him and then MAYBE the 'ROIDS took their toll on his body and he FELL APART. There were a lot of players that seemed to achieve brief greatness in that time frame, only to end up injured and out of the league a few years later. He sounds like a bitter man now who is angry that greatness was just out of his reach. So when he sees a player like Tyreke who truly has a shot at greatness without the need for anything but hard work, he spews his vitriol out and casts his vote for a player he KNOWS is inferior. Sad indictment of a HAS BEEN never really was player. Makes me angry he even has a vote. He wouldn't know greatness if it snuck up and bit him on the azz!

Tyreke Evans will BE ROY! and this summer he will work hard to become much much more! He has the respect of his PEERS! He is a hard working young man who has done it the right way! He hasn't taken any short cuts, and he is poised to make a run at Stardom. His star will shine brighter than Mashburn's or Curry's ever will!!
 
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SacKings384 said:
Curry is lacking in things you just can't learn. That's the problem. He will forever be with the likes of the Monte Ellis, Gilbert Arenas, Jamal Crawford types. Guys that have skills but just lack right type of physical attributes to take them to the next level.
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Great point. He has a good game, no doubt. But he lacks the physical attributes to ever dominate and take over. Sure, he can light you up. He can make sweet nifty passes. He can drop bombs from hella far. But he will never shut you down, make that important defensive stop, take on the assignment of guarding the other team's best player. And swissh or swoosh or whatever doesn't understand that point.
 
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Haha yup and we all know why. Jalen Rose was on the LA sports radio talk and when asked if certain teams pick up certain players to match up with certain teams and he said, "yup, look at the Orlando Magic, they picked up Shaquille O'neal to match up with Dwight Howar and Kendrick Perkins..."
 
FaStRmAn

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est.1999 said:
I hate mashburn, rose, and Greg Anthony. These guys really have no clue what in the hell they are talking about.
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Oh, they know. They are bitter that greatness was never within their grasp. So they become talking heads on tv to talk about greatness that they were never able to achieve. Kinda like hiring a guy who can fly a cessna to fly a 747! They kinda know about it, but they can't really grasp the complexities of the situation. So they bluff and talk about everything but what it takes to fly and land the plane. Eventually people dismiss them as ignorant. But Mash, Rose, and Anthony know what Greatness looks like. Because it was always right there beyond their grasp.:D
 
pdxKingsFan

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Once second and third place votes are factored in it should be a runaway. If anybody votes for Reke 3rd they should have their voting credentials stripped.
 
keflanag

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Looks like a lot of these guys finally have their heads on straight:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=ROY-0910


ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
Tyreke Evans
Marc Stein
ESPN.com

Tyreke Evans
J.A. Adande
ESPN.com

Tyreke Evans
John Hollinger
ESPN.com

Stephen Curry
Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com

Tyreke Evans
Chad Ford
ESPN.com

B. Jennings
Chris Broussard
ESPN.com

Tyreke Evans
Ric Bucher
ESPN The Mag

Stephen Curry
Scoop Jackson
ESPN.com Page 2

Tyreke Evans
Jemele Hill
ESPN.com Page 2

Tyreke Evans
Keith Lipscomb
ESPN Fantasy

Tyreke Evans
Henry Abbott
TrueHoop

Tyreke Evans
David Thorpe
Scouts Inc.

Tyreke Evans
Carlos Morales
ESPN Deportes

Tyreke Evans
Kevin Arnovitz
TrueHoop

Stephen Curry
Chris Palmer
ESPN The Mag

Tyreke Evans
Maurice Brooks
ESPN.com

Stephen Curry
Dr. Jack Ramsay
ESPN Radio

B. Jennings
Jalen Rose
ESPN

Tyreke Evans
Tim Legler
ESPN

Tyreke Evans
Jon Barry
ESPN

Results: Tyreke Evans, Kings (14 votes); Stephen Curry, Warriors (four); Brandon Jennings, Bucks (two).
 
Arco Thunder

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What I will never understand is how anyone could vote against someone who has just made history?!?! It doesn't set right with me at all. What's wrong with these people??? Do they hate Sacramento (small market) that much???
 
Bart-Poland

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keflanag said:
Looks like a lot of these guys finally have their heads on straight:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=ROY-0910


ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
Tyreke Evans
Marc Stein
ESPN.com

Tyreke Evans
J.A. Adande
ESPN.com

Tyreke Evans
John Hollinger
ESPN.com

Stephen Curry
Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com

Tyreke Evans
Chad Ford
ESPN.com

B. Jennings
Chris Broussard
ESPN.com

Tyreke Evans
Ric Bucher
ESPN The Mag

Stephen Curry
Scoop Jackson
ESPN.com Page 2

Tyreke Evans
Jemele Hill
ESPN.com Page 2

Tyreke Evans
Keith Lipscomb
ESPN Fantasy

Tyreke Evans
Henry Abbott
TrueHoop

Tyreke Evans
David Thorpe
Scouts Inc.

Tyreke Evans
Carlos Morales
ESPN Deportes

Tyreke Evans
Kevin Arnovitz
TrueHoop

Stephen Curry
Chris Palmer
ESPN The Mag

Tyreke Evans
Maurice Brooks
ESPN.com

Stephen Curry
Dr. Jack Ramsay
ESPN Radio

B. Jennings
Jalen Rose
ESPN

Tyreke Evans
Tim Legler
ESPN

Tyreke Evans
Jon Barry
ESPN

Results: Tyreke Evans, Kings (14 votes); Stephen Curry, Warriors (four); Brandon Jennings, Bucks (two).
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You showed us 20 votes, but you know, all will be around 120;)
 
kennadog

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I can't seem to find it on line, but the Sacramento Bee had an article about an informal survey done, that was pretty accurate over the years. The Bee said the survey indicates that Evans will win over Curry by a narrow margin. As great as Curry has been in the second half, I'm just suprised it may be that close. I mean that 20-5-5 is an average for the whole season. Done on a team that has the least years of NBA experience in the whole league.
 
pdxKingsFan

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I think the sampling shows that it is probably around 5:2:1 Tyreke:Curry:Jennings. In my books that's still a runaway but maybe closer than we'd hope. But again the important thing to remember is everybody votes 2nd and 3rd place as well and so even when someone wants to be cute and votes for one of the other guys Evans is still probably picking up 2pts on the other other guy because the arguments in favor of the other 2 are mutually exclusive (Curry showed great improvement on a team that fell off last year's pace vs. Jennings's numbers fell off but his team is a winner).

The real race is for 2nd place and what we don't know is if the 2:1 ratio for Curry applies to the 2nd place race or not.
 
Aenadin

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He is ROY its a done deal he's been consistently putting good numbers and has been the focus of the defensive assignment

also compared to the two he shows BETTER defense he beats them both silly on offense and defense. wait till he gets that jumpshot next year just you wait
 
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I think there should be no doubt about the ROY. Reke is clearly the ROY. The award is not the "Rookie of the last month", is the "Rookie of the year". Curry could have had some good games late in the season, but Tyreke has been great all season long, which is amazing for a rookie.

I respect Curry, he has the chance to became a very good player. But Tyreke is going to be a superstar. I would like to ask the other 29 GMs who would trade Evans for Curry. Probabily just one, the Warriors' GM...

And I don't even want to talk about the ones who voted for Jennings. Like Andre87 said, they are just idiots.
 
PurpleHaze

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Bart-Poland said:
Did you hear guys? Hubby Brown will to vote for Jenings:eek:
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I've always had a lot of respect for Hubie as a great NBA coach and just as great analyst on NBA games. But now? Is he becoming senile approaching age 77? More likely, it's another example of the usual anti-Kings bias. So sad, but just the reality of playing in Sactown.
 
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