Kings 2009-2010 NBA Draft:

bajaden

bajaden

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As a follow up to the last post, I forgot to add a name. Art Parakhouski. A 6'11", 260 pound center from Radford. I've seen him play twice now. The first time against Kansas. And aside from the first half when he got into foul trouble, he just dominated Cole Aldrich. He's definitely got an NBA body and is more athletic than you orginally think. He pushed Aldrich around whenever he wanted, and blocked two of his shots.

He's a very dominating player in his conference. Therein lies the problem. My hope is that Radford makes the tourney and then we can see him up against some of the better centers out there. Presence wise and with his given stature he reminds me of Sabonis. Of course Sabonis was 7'3". At his current level he's a better scorer than Sabonis and also a better rebounder. He's a good passer, but not many centers could pass the ball the way Sabonis could.

Here's a site with his stats.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=41147
 
Vlade4GM

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bajaden said:
As a follow up to the last post, I forgot to add a name. Art Parakhouski. A 6'11", 260 pound center from Radford. I've seen him play twice now. The first time against Kansas. And aside from the first half when he got into foul trouble, he just dominated Cole Aldrich. He's definitely got an NBA body and is more athletic than you orginally think. He pushed Aldrich around whenever he wanted, and blocked two of his shots.

He's a very dominating player in his conference. Therein lies the problem. My hope is that Radford makes the tourney and then we can see him up against some of the better centers out there. Presence wise and with his given stature he reminds me of Sabonis. Of course Sabonis was 7'3". At his current level he's a better scorer than Sabonis and also a better rebounder. He's a good passer, but not many centers could pass the ball the way Sabonis could.

Here's a site with his stats.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=41147
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You mean post-injury Sabonis, right?
 
Bricklayer

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bajaden said:
As a follow up to the last post, I forgot to add a name. Art Parakhouski. A 6'11", 260 pound center from Radford. I've seen him play twice now. The first time against Kansas. And aside from the first half when he got into foul trouble, he just dominated Cole Aldrich. He's definitely got an NBA body and is more athletic than you orginally think. He pushed Aldrich around whenever he wanted, and blocked two of his shots.

He's a very dominating player in his conference. Therein lies the problem. My hope is that Radford makes the tourney and then we can see him up against some of the better centers out there. Presence wise and with his given stature he reminds me of Sabonis. Of course Sabonis was 7'3". At his current level he's a better scorer than Sabonis and also a better rebounder. He's a good passer, but not many centers could pass the ball the way Sabonis could.

Here's a site with his stats.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=41147
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Look, you have to just drop this one before you get started ok?

There is no way somebody named Art Parakhouski is a player in the NBA. :p That's your accountant's name, not an NBA player's.

I mean...maybe in the 1950s. But I'm pretty sure its in the bylaws somewhere nowadays.
 
bajaden

bajaden

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Vlade4GM said:
You mean post-injury Sabonis, right?
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I mean the Sabonis that played in the NBA. Now he did come to the NBA late in his career, so its hard to say how good he might have been if he had come when he was 21 years old. But during his time in the NBA he was never a great scorer or a great rebounder. I think he averaged around 12 to 14 points a game and around 8 boards a game. what made Sabonis great were his intangibles. He just made everyone else better. The only other player that was similar was Vlade.

Parakhouski can't pass like Sabonis or Vlade, but he's a better athlete than either one of them. I'm not saying that he is, or ever will be as good as either one of them, just that in appeance and stature he reminds me of Sabonis.
 
bajaden

bajaden

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Bricklayer said:
Look, you have to just drop this one before you get started ok?

There is no way somebody named Art Parakhouski is a player in the NBA. :p That's your accountant's name, not an NBA player's.

I mean...maybe in the 1950s. But I'm pretty sure its in the bylaws somewhere nowadays.
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Your only worried that we'll draft him and you'll have to learn how to pronouce his name, plus have to type it in your game critiques.:D
 
bajaden

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Vlade4GM said:
Have any of you guys seen Kalin Lucas of Michigan State play?
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Yeah, I've seen him play quite a bit, this year and last year. He's another of those very quick but slightly undersized point guards. He pushs the ball everytime he has a chance and is a pretty good defender. Not a bad shooter, and a good ballhandler and decent to good passer. He's listed at six foot by Michigan St. My guess is that he's closer to 5'10" or 5'11". He's a little slight of build, but appears to have put on a little more weight from last year..

I like him, and I think he'll definitely play in the NBA. His three point shot is more consistant this year than last. Hard to say who I would compare him to. Maybe T.J. Ford or someone of similar ilk. Michael Connely maybe.
 
Vlade4GM

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bajaden said:
I mean the Sabonis that played in the NBA. Now he did come to the NBA late in his career, so its hard to say how good he might have been if he had come when he was 21 years old. But during his time in the NBA he was never a great scorer or a great rebounder. I think he averaged around 12 to 14 points a game and around 8 boards a game. what made Sabonis great were his intangibles. He just made everyone else better. The only other player that was similar was Vlade.

Parakhouski can't pass like Sabonis or Vlade, but he's a better athlete than either one of them. I'm not saying that he is, or ever will be as good as either one of them, just that in appeance and stature he reminds me of Sabonis.
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I just want to be clear because Sabonis (before his injuries) was one of the most skilled big men to ever play.
 
Vlade4GM

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bajaden said:
Yeah, I've seen him play quite a bit, this year and last year. He's another of those very quick but slightly undersized point guards. He pushs the ball everytime he has a chance and is a pretty good defender. Not a bad shooter, and a good ballhandler and decent to good passer. He's listed at six foot by Michigan St. My guess is that he's closer to 5'10" or 5'11". He's a little slight of build, but appears to have put on a little more weight from last year..

I like him, and I think he'll definitely play in the NBA. His three point shot is more consistant this year than last. Hard to say who I would compare him to. Maybe T.J. Ford or someone of similar ilk. Michael Connely maybe.
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How's his set shot vs. his pull up shot?
 
Vlade4GM

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Gani Lawal looked awesome today, very active and always in the right spot, cleaning up the messes and making some nice jumpers. I don't know how well his talents will translate to the NBA considering he doesn't have a very good standing reach.

Favors was hard to read in this game, he was making some rushed moves to the basket and got a few traveling calls, but I think his poor offensive play was partly due to GT's guards who don't do a very good job getting the ball in the post at the right time. He looks much stronger than he did last summer, he rebounded well, and he was okay defensively, nothing special though. He just seemed unsure of what to do on the offensive end.
 
bajaden

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Vlade4GM said:
I just want to be clear because Sabonis (before his injuries) was one of the most skilled big men to ever play.
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He was one of the most skilled big men to play even after his injuries. I wasn't really making a comparison to Sabonis skill set, but to his overall stature and presence, which reminds me of Sabonis. And I'm not saying that he'll be a better rebounder and scorer than Sabonis was at the NBA level, but that at the level he's at, he's dominate at both rebounding and scoring. How that will translate is anyones guess.
 
bajaden

bajaden

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After watching the Seattle U/Oregon St. game and the Baylor/Oklahoma game. I have two big men that impressed me. One is Charles Garcia of Seattle U. And the other is Ekpe Udoh of Baylor. Both guys are 6'10" and both are very skilled. Udoh is a shot blocker surpreme who can also play the rest of the game. He's capable of putting the ball on the floor. He has a little 15 to 18 foot jumper, and he's pretty good in the post with both hands. He's also a good rebounder. Garcia is the most skilled big man that I've seen so far this year. He handles the ball like a guard. He's a very good passer. He can score from anywhere on the floor. He plays solid defense and he's averaging 12 boards a game. With Garcia think Greg Monroe with a lot more athletic ability and ballhandling skills.

I think both these guys have a pretty high ceiling and both have length and size. Both are very good athlete's.
 
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Gilles

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Garcia - no, we have enough perimeter oriented, suspect D bigmen.
Udoh - worth a look, as a few years in Michigan with Princeton offense elevated his skill level somewhat. He lacks a bit in D rebounding that we sorely need but that's because he tries to block too much. He needs to be less aggressive and rather keep position. He's not bulky but he's definitely thicker than Thompson so he could be a better post defender.
 
bajaden

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Gilles said:
Garcia - no, we have enough perimeter oriented, suspect D bigmen.
Udoh - worth a look, as a few years in Michigan with Princeton offense elevated his skill level somewhat. He lacks a bit in D rebounding that we sorely need but that's because he tries to block too much. He needs to be less aggressive and rather keep position. He's not bulky but he's definitely thicker than Thompson so he could be a better post defender.
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Udoh was in Michigan for one year that I know of and he didn't play all that much. He also sat a year as a result of his transfer. He's far from perfect but he does impact the game and thats what I'm looking for. Your not going to find any big men in this draft without flaws. Same thing with Garcia. He impacts the game. Yes, he's a very good outside shooter, but he also plays inside. He has a lot of skills that most big men don't have. There isn't one big man in college that I've seen that can handle the ball the way he can. He's a very good passer and a terrific rebounder.

To just focus on the fact that he's a good three point shooter and ignore all of his other skills is ridiculous. You have to look at the whole package. I'm by no means saying we should or shouldn't draft him if he's there, but you would certainlly have to consider him depending on who else is there.
 
VF21

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Could you post an alert the next time Udoh is going to play? For some reason, you've really put him on my radar - and I don't generally follow college hoops that closely.
 
bajaden

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VF21 said:
Could you post an alert the next time Udoh is going to play? For some reason, you've really put him on my radar - and I don't generally follow college hoops that closely.
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I'll do my best. He plays for Baylor and unlike Kentucky, they're not on as often as some of the other teams. That could change though since Baylor has been playing very well.
 
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Udoh was for two years in Michigan and played 20+ minutes either season. He just isn't suited for what is basically Princeton offense. That's why he transfered. But now that he plays in low-post dishing assists is not a problem for him, he's second on the team. Just don't expect to see Webber. ;)
P.S. Baylor is scheduled to face:
January, 20th(espn2 at 9pm ET) - Kansas with Aldrich will be a test for his team D, Aldrich is not very aggressive offensively and not an elite O rebounder, would be interesting how much he will do offensively,
January, 30th(probably only on espn 360) - Texas with Pittman will be an all-around test for him defensively: Pittman will go right to him on offense, attack the O glass, Bradley and Balbay like to penetrate.
To just focus on the fact that he's a good three point shooter and ignore all of his other skills is ridiculous. You have to look at the whole package. I'm by no means saying we should or shouldn't draft him if he's there, but you would certainlly have to consider him depending on who else is there.
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Right now Kings are below average team that will most likely improve a lot just by growing and maturing very quickly. And with all the growing and maturing Kings will still have the same problems three years from now with this roster: no inside D, bad D rebounding. This year may be the last when Kings pick in mid-lottery. So rather than reacting and just picking the best talent among leftovers Kings should really consolidate their assets and go searching for answers to their problems. Can it be Aldrich, may be a pair of Cousins and Udoh will be enough, can Alabi and Saunders start rebounding like real big men, maybe Jordan or Parakhouski can play first big off the bench.
And speaking of Garcia, he is a good prospect, he has some NBA skills and he may even become an impact player in the League. He just is not what Kings sorely need. Yes, I saw 2 games of Seattle: Keith Benson shut him down, Harvard with no player higher than 6-7 in rotation did the same thing(garbage time of second half doesn't really count).
 
NME

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I see that Evan Turner returned from his back injury and is back to putting up ridiculous stat lines: 19 pts, 8 rb, 7 as, 4 stl, 2 blk.
 
bajaden

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Gilles said:
Udoh was for two years in Michigan and played 20+ minutes either season. He just isn't suited for what is basically Princeton offense. That's why he transfered. But now that he plays in low-post dishing assists is not a problem for him, he's second on the team. Just don't expect to see Webber. ;)
P.S. Baylor is scheduled to face:
January, 20th(espn2 at 9pm ET) - Kansas with Aldrich will be a test for his team D, Aldrich is not very aggressive offensively and not an elite O rebounder, would be interesting how much he will do offensively,
January, 30th(probably only on espn 360) - Texas with Pittman will be an all-around test for him defensively: Pittman will go right to him on offense, attack the O glass, Bradley and Balbay like to penetrate.
Right now Kings are below average team that will most likely improve a lot just by growing and maturing very quickly. And with all the growing and maturing Kings will still have the same problems three years from now with this roster: no inside D, bad D rebounding. This year may be the last when Kings pick in mid-lottery. So rather than reacting and just picking the best talent among leftovers Kings should really consolidate their assets and go searching for answers to their problems. Can it be Aldrich, may be a pair of Cousins and Udoh will be enough, can Alabi and Saunders start rebounding like real big men, maybe Jordan or Parakhouski can play first big off the bench.
And speaking of Garcia, he is a good prospect, he has some NBA skills and he may even become an impact player in the League. He just is not what Kings sorely need. Yes, I saw 2 games of Seattle: Keith Benson shut him down, Harvard with no player higher than 6-7 in rotation did the same thing(garbage time of second half doesn't really count).
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Nice to talk to someone that apparently spends as much time watching as I do. When I looked up Udoh's records it only showed one year at Michigan. But I'll defer to your knowledge on that matter. And, I wouldn't be expecting Webber.:D So far I like what I see from Udoh, but wouldn't expect him to come in and play right away. I don't see too many bigs in the draft that can. I've seen Garcia play twice. And in one of those games, the last one he barely played because of foul trouble. The other game he played well. But that aside I was surprised at his skill set. I didn't see the Oakland game, but I like Keith Benson..

Just curious what you think of Parakhouski. I've been very impressed with him so far. I've only seen him play against top competition once when they played Kansas. Other than the foul trouble he got into in the first half that limited his minutes, he dominated Aldrich in the second half. He's dominated in every game I've seen. Of course you have to take into account the conference he plays in.

I've seen Jordan play four times this year and he just does nothing for me. I don't think he has much basketball IQ. There are times he's matched up against guys that are 6'7" and they push him around. Just once I would like to see him dominate in a game.

Your right about Alabi. I would love it he rebounded the same way he blocks shots. So far the bigs that I give consideration to are Aldrich, Alabi, Cousins, Parakhouski, Samham, Benson, and Pittman. And I'm referring to players that can play center, not power forward. All of these guys would fill a need in some capacity. But if I'm sitting there and its my turn to pick and Evan Turner is sitting there. I would be hard pressed to pass on him. Same goes for Wesley Johnson. Yeah, I know we don't need anymore wing players, but both these guys are special.
 
bajaden

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NME said:
I see that Evan Turner returned from his back injury and is back to putting up ridiculous stat lines: 19 pts, 8 rb, 7 as, 4 stl, 2 blk.
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Same stat lines he was putting up before the back injury. This probably sounds stupid, but if I had to choose between Turner and Wall, I would really have to think about it.
 
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Gilles

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If Kings luck out with top-3 pick you definitely pick Wall at 1, 99% take Favors at 2 and Turner at 3 unless Petrie is sure Aldrich is a definite answer to Kings' D woes - then you trade down.
Keith Benson is kinda thin for center and he's not particular wide to bulk up so he's more of a matchup based center.
Parakhouski is not a defensive force but he's passable. He really bothers his man though. Samardo Samuels bullied him somewhat but Art still affected him with length. He doesn't overplay as he only averages 2.1 fpg. Not very mobile but big and overall athletic enough he could be all-around good nothing great backup.
Jordan doesn't play against quality competition so games against elite big man from UTEP and Marshall and overall good teams in Duke and Memphis will be the only measuring sticks for him. He's not going to be anything more than a backup anyway.
 
bajaden

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Gilles said:
If Kings luck out with top-3 pick you definitely pick Wall at 1, 99% take Favors at 2 and Turner at 3 unless Petrie is sure Aldrich is a definite answer to Kings' D woes - then you trade down.
Keith Benson is kinda thin for center and he's not particular wide to bulk up so he's more of a matchup based center.
Parakhouski is not a defensive force but he's passable. He really bothers his man though. Samardo Samuels bullied him somewhat but Art still affected him with length. He doesn't overplay as he only averages 2.1 fpg. Not very mobile but big and overall athletic enough he could be all-around good nothing great backup.
Jordan doesn't play against quality competition so games against elite big man from UTEP and Marshall and overall good teams in Duke and Memphis will be the only measuring sticks for him. He's not going to be anything more than a backup anyway.
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I'm trying real hard to like Favors, but he really disappoints me at times. I'm not sure I would rank him as high as you do, unless your going on just potential and not current results. I'm not saying he's not good. He just doesn't stand out head and shoulders above some others at his position.
 
VF21

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Interesting comment by the broadcasters about Alabi: "It's hard to take the ball away from a big guy inside if he doesn't dribble."

I would like someone/anyone to point that out to JT. Hell, I'ld like them to tattoo it on everyone else's forehead so he's constantly seeing it...

Now, back to Alabi. I like what I'm seeing thus far. Not a step into the NBA today center by any stretch of the imagination, but certainly someone I think could be molded into our system.
 
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Gilles

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Favors is garbage cleaner right now when you put good defender on him. But against average big men you can see underdeveloped post moves with good footwork. He has great frame, really athletic though not a leaper that Amare or Dwight are. If he will grow a bit he may see some minutes at center. Right now you get him based on potential. He gets rebounds and block shots already though.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan

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I'm also watching FSU and Maryland right now ( trying to forget about football, patriots.. Blahh)

Alabi was scoring ealry which isn't really what he does, too bad he's on the bench now with 2 fouls. FSU is struggling on offense without him.
 
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