Grades v. Nuggets 12/28/09

Kings player of the game?

  • Donte Greene

    Votes: 46 43.0%
  • Andres Nocioni

    Votes: 33 30.8%
  • Jon Brockman

    Votes: 20 18.7%
  • Beno Udrih

    Votes: 8 7.5%
  • Jason Thompson

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    107
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
In a game more winnable than it at first appeared (Nuggets were only 7-9 on the road, 4-6 in their last 10, and are now 1-4 without Chauncey) we kind of did it with smoke and mirrors. Random players popping up here and there in the lineup and we received some gratuitious help from an out of sync Nuggets team that reminded one of their squads a few years back -- grumpy, unfocused, bricking FTs left and right, their star shooting every time he touched the ball and playing keepaway from his teammates, J.R. Smith being his usual despicable and stupid self, Birdman looking like he was back on drugs, their rookie PG (in the early season the ever-perceptive David Thorpe had him rated above Reke in his rookie rankings :p) looking like a rookie, and a team with championship aspirations starting someone named Arron Afflalo at the SG. We were the tougher team mentally, and it remains a Christmas miracle that we can say that less than a year from having the worst mentality in all of the NBA.

Greene ( A- ) -- you know, to a large degree Coach Westphal and I have been simpatico this season. I have had few reasons to seriously question anything he was doing. A few quibbles, but in general I think he's shown that it is possible to make good substitutions, to manage egos, provide lifts and minutes when needed for confidence etc. But his handling of Donte tonight was a mystery to me. And hey, we won, so maybe laugh's on me. But Donte started and was very very good in his limited minutes, and several of the guys who took his minutes (Casspi, Sergio) were not. So not at all sure what the rationale was. In any case, Donte got off to another hot start for us. Immediately hit a jumper + drew a foul, then blocked Melo and drew an offensive foul, hit a three, and then being Donte got a bit out of control and threw up a heatcheck, made a turnover on a too fancy pass, and while Melo was having to work hard and was enver efficient, he began to rack up points. So Donte sat down with 9 points and a good first stint, but sitting made sense. Let him rest, gather himself, refocus. All cool. Until you completely forget about the guy who was your best player in the opening quarter and he never returns before halftime. Came out to start the third and remind Coach that hey, I'm the hugely athletic 6'11" guy you somehow missed sitting over on the bench. Started with a nice strong drive, and then a give and go jumper with JT. Drew a tough tough charge from Melo. Forced a drive into Nene and got the shot blocked and that was apparently too much as once again he disappeared. And once again guys who simply were not playing well played on, and on, and on, and Donte jsut sat. In fact for a long time it looked like he ws going to end up sitting right through the end of the game. But finally he was resummoned at the 3:00 mark of the 4th and immediately resumed being our best player, drove right at Melo taking advantsge of Melo's 5 fouls and consequent inability to defend to score the hoop. More impressively, as he did with that scrub Kobe, Donte stripped and smotered Melo repeatedly down the final 2 minutes of the game. These are the two top scorers in the game today mind you. And our kid was going out there and making them look bad down the stretch of winnable games for their teams. Maybe if he can keep on doing it for another 5-6 years and keep scoring 17pts on 6-9 shooting every night he will eventually be worthy of earning more minutes than backup PGs who shoot 2-11 from the field.

Thompson ( C+ ) -- Jason finished this game with 15pts 11rebs, and if his game had felt anywhere near that effective he would be getting a much higher grade than he did here. But that can be a blessing too -- the guy who puts up numbers even when he doesn't seem to be having an impact. Gotta be pretty good to do that. Started off this one in shaky and even a little embarrassing fashion -- missed a jumper, then had the chair pulled out from under him by Kenyon. I was going to note with approval that he seems decidely more settled on defense now than he did at the start of the season -- not nearly as much of that silly bouncing around that had him in constant foul trouble. But he again committed his bring the arms down defensive foul folowed by petulant complaining, so its not as if the warts are entirely gone. Very few notes here through the heart of the game. Had a dunk off a pick and roll with Sergio. Was solid on the glass, but rarely heard from or noticeable the way Peaches was. Had a little something to say about the final outcome as he came up with a good running hook down the stretch, but then committed a silly touch foul on a Nene dunk to give him the +1. Got his shot blocked at the 3:30 mark starting the Nuggets on a break. May have flopped to get to the line at the 1:20 mark, but hit both to put us up 5. Not an awful performance, and he was playable. But hard to feel the impact behind those numbers this time out.

Hawes ( C- ) -- sigh. Well back to this again -- run over by Nene in the early going and watched much of this one as a much shorter man with a much higher testosterone count showed how a big is supposed to play. For most of the game that was the story -- Spencer's 6 points I think were all off of good looking dunk plays on breaks or cuts, everything else missed. And Nene just kicked our frontline's butt same way everybody over 6'7" does. At least Spencer was more ineffective spectator than obvious aggravating cause/victim. Returned late in the game for the final minutes and immediately flipped up a terrible shot at the 3 minute mark as we tried to beat a double, then fouled Melo (or got called for it) to give the Nuggets more FTs. Another cheapie little foul on Melo at the 1:30 mark just impeding him across the lane and sending him to the line. Fortunately Melo could not shoot them tonight and kept missing them. Not a confident outing, and frankly Nene's physical tendency to just ram his shoulder into Spencer and power to the rim may have intimidated him again. That said, despite the lack of productivity this was more of a do nothing effort than a hurt you effort by Spencer.

Casspi ( C ) -- very mediocre outing for Omri. Not awful (well pretty bad to start), just mediocre. Threw away a bounce pass on the break, tried and failed to post up several of the Nuggets little guards -- surpising thing for a PF over in Israel* is that despite knowing what he should do and trying to do it, not consistently able to post up smaller guards -- tries, but percentages are low. Was just generally off early -- everything rolled off. Seemed a bit out of sync defensively as well, including once mysteriously giving Afflalo the baseline for a dunk and then yelling at...no idea who he thought was supposed to be back there. Nobody was close. After the poor first half came right out in third quarter and scored on alittle turnaround on the called play. Got out for a dunk on the break. 2 missed Fts in the late third, but then hit 2 in the early 4th. Biggest moment of the night was when he hit a big three courtesy of Greene to give us a 1pt lead at the 2:00 mark. Played a lot of not very effective minutes tonight, but like I say was not awful so much as just mediocre, and did hit a big shot for us down the stretch.

Udrih ( B ) -- even with the improved play this year Beno starting gives me nightmare flashbacks to last year. :p Started off by forcing a wild shot over mini-Lawson (would have loved to have seen Reke against him -- been scrawny little body parts scattered all over the arena). In the early going Beno was actually being like Reke in one way -- he wasn't exactly playing a pure point and was just running around looking for his own offense, to middling effect. Made some, missed some. Was accumulating stats across the board in areas we don't often see from him, but unfortunately one of those areas was turnovers. Turnover on an attemped pick and roll to start the third. Missed the technical FT when J.R. Smith got a T in the early 4th. Terrible forced shot at the 4 minute mark as the offense broke down and he panicked a bit. Got out on the break at the 1:45 mark for the layup +1 that largely iced the game for us. And then sealed by hitting both FTs when he was intentionally fouled at the 3 second mark.

* Note: I have now been informed that maybe Omri was not a PF at all, but rather a SF, which makes the post game issues more understandable.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Bench

Thomas ( INC ) -- let's see, came in, grabbed an o-board, then blocked himself as he threw said o-board of the side of the backboard on the attempted follow, so grabbed that one too -- there's his two rebounds. Built on that marvelous display with a bad pass for a turnover and *poof* like magic that was the last we saw of him. It's unfortunate he did not play enough minutes to get over my grading cutoff, because this was headed toward an A+ right here.

Nocioni ( A- ) -- strong bounceback game from Noc playing a lot of smallball aginst the smallball/run n gun Nuggets. Knocked in his first three, mugged Lawson in the open court...and did not get called for the foul, missed a second three so bad he barely drew glass, but it was the only one he would miss ont he night. Was active on defense and the glass. Hi/low layup. Another three, a strong drive and just a nice lift off the bench in the first half as our starters had come out flat. Hit another three in the late 3rd to put us up 3 again. Was playing more SF in the third with Brockman's arrival, and got Melo in foul trouble by being aggressive in the post. Of course Melo began to really work him over the other way. Hit a three in the mid 4th, but then traveled at the 5:00 mark in the paint. Not there to see it on home in the last few minutes. Best Noc has played in a month.

Rodriguez ( D ) -- well, got his minutes again, but why this time remains a bit of a mystery. Turnover to start on what would have been a nifty pass to Donte on the baseline, leaked out for a layup, made a nice escape move to free himself for the drive at the first quarter buzzer but blew the layup. Nice drop pass on the pick and roll to Thompson. Wild left handed flip not even close, then an open court turnover with a bad pass. Back in in the third and another wild drive that did not draw iron. What was Westphal seeing? Blown by by Lawson. Another missed layup, then another. Finally finished a layup on our final posession of the 3rd to put us up 5 going into the 4ht. Suffered a pokeaway turnover to begin the 4th. Missed 3 more down the stretch. Got intentionally fouled with 13 seconds to go, but only hit 1 of 2 FTs, leaving the door very slightly ajar with the 6pt lead. Then intentinally fouled again with 9 secs to go, and again only hit 1-2 to elave it at 5. Did notch 6 asists to avoid an F here, but this was really basically another bad outing full of bad decisionamaking. Pressing.

Udoka ( B ) -- corner three in the second as the breakthrough game in Chicago has obviously woken him up from out there. Was generally keeping Anthony from being efficient, but got torched down the stretch of the first half. Then for last shot of the half we run a play for...Ime Udoka? And he hits it. Missed a pair of FTs at the end of the third that would have put us up 7. Some flaws, but helped in his minutes.

Brockman ( A ) -- Peaches' parents were in town, and while Reke's family seems to have had a negative effect on his fortunes (sorry Reke's family) Peaches' parents are free to stop on by any day. Brockman played 15 minutes for us tonight...during whihc time he grabbed 10 rebounds, smacked people for 5 fouls, and collected 2 blocked shots. Yes, you read that right. If you don't understand the significance of that statement, let me explain. In 4 years at Washington in which he played in a total of 131 games. Jon managed to block a grand total of 19 shots. By comparison Kenny Thomas blocked 239 in his 4 years. And tonight Brock collected a full season's worht in the space of 15 minutes. Timely too -- the first came in the second quarter to trigger a break that put us up 42-40. The second was a big one of Nene at the rim as we hung wiht them late in the game. Truly a night of wonders too -- Jon, hitting less than 50% of his FTs, stepped up to hte line to calmly sink 4-4 of those as well. Controlled the d-glass in the late 3rd/early 4th. But racked up fouls left and right, bad for him staying on he floor, and as we were in the penalty down the stretch, hurt us a bit too. eventually pulled in favor of Spencer for the stretch run.

Notes: Lawson/Afflalo backcourt = fail
 
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There will be no "F's" tonight.:D. Terrific effort with good results for a change. I believe. The Kings believe. I think Denver believes that the Kings are no pushover any more.

GO KINGS!!!!!
 

6th

Homer Fan Since 1985
#6
Dang, Brick! There is no way I can choose just one.

Well, okay, I would have to go with Donte just because of his stellar defense at the end of the game. That is my tie-breaker.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#8
Gotta give huge props to Donte for his defense on Anthony. Also have to put your hands together for the Brockness monster. I think the Nuggets will be asking who that guy was. Although Westphal kindly gave credit to all that came off the bench tonight, I think Sergio was terrible. I don't know whats happened to him the last few games, but he's not the same player. Totally out of control at times. Other than that, great game. I have to have my heart checked now...
 
#10
Beno Udrih was remarkable - again - like a broken record this season. He played a very solid 40 mins and ran the team like a seasoned pro - which he clearly is. The only blemish in his line is 5 TO's - but I bet if Reke had been well enough to play tonight he might very well have had 4-5 TO's.

Beno is player of the game IMO: 17 pts, 7 assists, 5 boards, 2 steals (lead team in thefts). I guess Noc would be second on my list. Donte was only good in spurts, like several other Kings who all contributed to a great TEAM VICTORY!
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#11
Beno Udrih was remarkable - again - like a broken record this season. He played a very solid 40 mins and ran the team like a seasoned pro - which he clearly is. The only blemish in his line is 5 TO's - but I bet if Reke had been well enough to play tonight he might very well have had 4-5 TO's.
If Reke had played in this game against Ty Lawson he would have had 40.
 
#12
Beno had a good game overall but his turnovers were troublesome. There were some stretches there where the offense couldn't really get going. I went with Donte because, as I said in another thread, his defense was great against Carmelo, and his offense helped get things going early. When all is said and done, Donte could very well be one of the better 2-way players on this team.
 
#13
This was a fun game to watch. One question: Why does coach leave Donte out so long? This game, he was playing great every minute he was on the floor. Hell, our offense was stagnant, there was ~2:00 minutes left, Donte goes in and gets a bucket and an assist on the next play (and played good defense on Anthony). I mean, he put up 17 points in 22 minutes. The only bad thing I can remember from him was a 'heat check' shot in the first. I think that, if you put up 9 points in the first 9 minutes of the game, and are already a starter, you deserve more than 22 minutes.
 
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This was a fun game to watch. One question: Why does coach leave Donte out so long? This game, he was playing great every minute he was on the floor. Hell, our offense was stagnant, there was ~2:00 minutes left, Donte goes in and gets a bucket and an assist on the next play (and played good defense on Anthony). I mean, he put up 17 points in 22 minutes. The only bad thing I can remember from him was a 'heat check' shot in the first. I think that, if you put up 9 points in the first 9 minutes of the game, and are already a starter, you deserve more than 22 minutes.

I noticed this too. But I think it had a lot to do with Nocioni being hot and Brockman coming in to give them some toughness rebounding. But he got in late and did the job. That is what matters most. I think Donte is being managed very well by Westphal. He seems to be spoon feeding him the PT a bit at a time to keep him hungry. Giving Donte 35-38 minutes a game might not be the best for him or the team just yet.
 

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#18
Borderline great game to watch. Aggressive as usual, Donte especially on Carmelo, Noce on everybody, Beno his usual mid-range hot hand.

Counted 6 layups/layins missed with no fouls, 3 by Sergio. Thats learning to finish at the bucket. Twelve TO's by half time and most of those, 8-9, unforced, just bad judgement. They are improving how to finish a game. Now the little things: finishing layins, getting offensive rebounds, boxing out down low, moving without the ball, smarter passing, etc.

But with 17 TO's offset by the Nuggs missing 15 FT and still winning shows some gumpshion, cahones, you know............

Every game now a bit better and with 3 rookies and 2 second year guys getting the majority of minutes.
 
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LWP777

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#21
My Grades:

Nocioni: A
Huge comeback game for him. It showed he still has heart and can be a big contributor or at least increase his trade value.

Greene: A-
He's starting to show he can play consistent on the defensive end. This is huge.

Udrih: B
Tough shooting night and some careless TO's, but all in all a very nice performance filling in for Reke.

Brockman: B
Toughness and defense.

Thompson: B
Quiet but solid night.

Caspi: B
Consistent.

Udoka: B
Solid off the bench in limited minutes.

Hawes: C-
3 rebounds in 20 minutes. Sigh...

Rodriguez: D+
Pretty much awful all night but did pick up 6 assists. He played way too much tonight IMO.
 
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LWP777

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#22
This was a fun game to watch. One question: Why does coach leave Donte out so long? This game, he was playing great every minute he was on the floor. Hell, our offense was stagnant, there was ~2:00 minutes left, Donte goes in and gets a bucket and an assist on the next play (and played good defense on Anthony). I mean, he put up 17 points in 22 minutes. The only bad thing I can remember from him was a 'heat check' shot in the first. I think that, if you put up 9 points in the first 9 minutes of the game, and are already a starter, you deserve more than 22 minutes.
I was thinking the same thing. I have a real hard time second guessing coach because he's been brilliant this year but I thought his rotations were weird tonight. He left Donte out forever and then left Sergio in until about 3:30 to go in the game when he brought in 3 guys (and Donte initially wasn't one of them). This is unusual to see 3 subs brought in with only a few minutes to go in a tight game. Udoka then played about 18 seconds and was replaced by Donte. It was kind of strange but it worked I guess.

It just shows how deep our team is. When Martin and Garcia come back we will have literally 12 guys that could play and contribute. It will be very interesting to see how they manage that.
 
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My Grades:
Greene: A-
He's starting to show he can play consistent on the defensive end. This is huge.
I can't go quite this high for Greene. He shot the ball well and played great D. But 1 rebound and 1 assist prevent me from giving him anything in the A range. I love Donte's improvement, but his grading scale has shifted upwards now and I expect more well rounded numbers for him. I think he is capable of better.
 
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LWP777

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#24
I can't go quite this high for Greene. He shot the ball well and played great D. But 1 rebound and 1 assist prevent me from giving him anything in the A range. I love Donte's improvement, but his grading scale has shifted upwards now and I expect more well rounded numbers for him. I think he is capable of better.
I think I agree with you. He just seemed so effective on both ends of the floor tonight and he made a couple big buckets for us. I didn't see the 1 rebound and 1 assist initially. I think a grade of "B" is probably more accurate. We'll see what Brick thinks.
 
#25
I think I agree with you. He just seemed so effective on both ends of the floor tonight and he made a couple big buckets for us. I didn't see the 1 rebound and 1 assist initially. I think a grade of "B" is probably more accurate. We'll see what Brick thinks.
I say B+ for Greene. Great scoring and defensive effort though! How great that (at times) he can use athleticism to defend stars effectively.
 
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I loved how Omri, in a so-so game (only 2 pts in first half) was able to bounce back in the second and knock down arguably the biggest bucket of his young career thus far. If he misses that corner three I think this would have been an L. I Give him C+. He still needs to relax with his mid range shots.He is really bricking many of them a sign he is not taking them in good rhythm. Showed again he is really good in transition. Pushes the ball hard, finishes strong, very nice.
 
#29
Borderline great game to watch. Aggressive as usual, Donte especially on Carmelo, Noce on everybody, Beno his usual mid-range hot hand.

Counted 6 layups/layins missed with no fouls, 3 by Sergio. Thats learning to finish at the bucket. Twelve TO's by half time and most of those, 8-9, unforced, just bad judgement. They are improving how to finish a game. Now the little things: finishing layins, getting offensive rebounds, boxing out down low, moving without the ball, smarter passing, etc.

But with 17 TO's offset by the Nuggs missing 15 FT and still winning shows some gumpshion, cahones, you know............

Every game now a bit better and with 3 rookies and 2 second year guys getting the majority of minutes.
Agree with you except it was a great game to watch as a Kings fan because we have and we did and we will make too many unforced TO's but we hung in there like champs.

Didn't vote in this one because I believe it was really a team win. Everybody contributed, even the C- players.
 

VF21

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SME
#30
Agree with you except it was a great game to watch as a Kings fan because we have and we did and we will make too many unforced TO's but we hung in there like champs.

Didn't vote in this one because I believe it was really a team win. Everybody contributed, even the C- players.
And don't forget the folks like yourself who were in Arco and made their presence known. You could see the energy flowing from the crowd to the players and at least one of them mentioned it in interviews after the game.

It does my heart good to see and feel that kind of excitement radiating throughout Arco. I could even feel it all the way up here in the middle of the forest.

:D
 
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