Hawks @ Kings Game Thread - 11/4/09
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What is so hard to understand about young players on a young team with a new coach making mistakes????
We're seeing progress every night. Maybe not a lot, but it's there. And the Hawks play with finessse and they know how to keep their poise. In crunch time, the kids lost their focus. They quit playing defense and they were lost...but it's not the end of the world.
If all you want to see is winning games, you need to find a different team to root for. This team isn't going to win a lot of games this year. But they're building a foundation for the future that could easily turn into something magical.
Calling Jason or Tyreke or any of the other kids names because they make the occasional mistake is what's WHACK. Geez...
We're seeing progress every night. Maybe not a lot, but it's there. And the Hawks play with finessse and they know how to keep their poise. In crunch time, the kids lost their focus. They quit playing defense and they were lost...but it's not the end of the world.
If all you want to see is winning games, you need to find a different team to root for. This team isn't going to win a lot of games this year. But they're building a foundation for the future that could easily turn into something magical.
Calling Jason or Tyreke or any of the other kids names because they make the occasional mistake is what's WHACK. Geez...
I'm sorry if I'm such a whiny complainer when I've only made one comment since the game ended. I'm not blaming Jt for the loss. He had a good game, he made a bad mistake end of story. Their were plenty of other mistakes to pick and choose from but since someone brought that one up, I gave my two cents.
KF, please take no offense. It was not meant to be personal. I am a person who likes to look for the good things. I am happier as an optimist. My comment was really meant for all the pessimism I was seeing (not necessarily from you). I don't like downers and can do without them in my life. That's about me....not you.
There are a lot of positives that I see with team. They stayed right with a very talented Atlanta team and couldn't close it. Not surprising for such a young team. In Tyreke I continue to see glimmers of a guy who is going to really be a freaking nightmare for the opposing team - a shark among minnows. Thompson had a good game. Beno played well again. Noc is looking like the good player he was in Chicago. At times they really moved the ball extremely well, which was nice to see. It tells me they are becoming a little more comfortable with the offense with each passing game. They played hard on defense, and really I think they've played hard on D every game so far, they just haven't played as intelligently as Westphal would like. Overall, another nice game against a good Atlanta team.
Its no prob. I get defensive when people quote me in those situations because I feel like I'm some kind of leader in a movement of evil. I don't really consider my self an optimist or a pessimist... i just see both the good and bad.
As far as my analysis of the game goes...
-Beno stays on the bench... very good sub PG.
-Tyreke isn't getting enough lift on his layups, not sure if its a problem with his ankle, or just him.
-Thompson proved he's still the same good player he has been, but he needs to settle down on offense. He tends to just not think when putting it up. He missed about 3-4 shots that were just EASY because of this.
-People say Kenny brings D and rebounding but honestly... I have seen it yet. Not even in Memphis. He's taking minutes away from Brockman
-Mason is worthless to this team... Like Kenny people say he can defend... again, I haven't seen it at all.
-Kevin is hot, and not just on offense. I've been impressed with his increased hustle on defense. I don't know if thats the general consensus, but its what I've seen.
-Hawes had on OK game. Kind of disappeared on defense and on the boards again. I think he is too focused on running down to the other side of the floor and gives up on getting rebounds before the ball even has a chance to hit the rim.
As far as my analysis of the game goes...
-Beno stays on the bench... very good sub PG.
-Tyreke isn't getting enough lift on his layups, not sure if its a problem with his ankle, or just him.
-Thompson proved he's still the same good player he has been, but he needs to settle down on offense. He tends to just not think when putting it up. He missed about 3-4 shots that were just EASY because of this.
-People say Kenny brings D and rebounding but honestly... I have seen it yet. Not even in Memphis. He's taking minutes away from Brockman
-Mason is worthless to this team... Like Kenny people say he can defend... again, I haven't seen it at all.
-Kevin is hot, and not just on offense. I've been impressed with his increased hustle on defense. I don't know if thats the general consensus, but its what I've seen.
-Hawes had on OK game. Kind of disappeared on defense and on the boards again. I think he is too focused on running down to the other side of the floor and gives up on getting rebounds before the ball even has a chance to hit the rim.
You've been around here long enough to know I don't make that kind of mistake Gary. I set that up and couched my terms carefully. You can't disprove a thing, and no amount of venom spewed forth toward Reke will avail you in this debate. I said simply it means nothing. I did not say it meant ANYTHING. Its game 5 of a rookie's season. It means NOTHING. Some great players have had good ones. Others have taken a while to develop. Some middling players are ahead of the curve, some good ones behind it. Means nothing (a slight exaggeration of course, but close to the truth -- you are still looking for signs and skills at this stage of a rookies career).
As I mentioend to another poster in another thread, no amount of venom is going to in any way impact whether Reke develops or not as a PG. You are wasting your time with your fascination. He will or he will not. My advice to you would be to chill and leave yourself an avenue of retreat in case he does work out. I know I always do no matter how dead set I am against somebody.
As I mentioend to another poster in another thread, no amount of venom is going to in any way impact whether Reke develops or not as a PG. You are wasting your time with your fascination. He will or he will not. My advice to you would be to chill and leave yourself an avenue of retreat in case he does work out. I know I always do no matter how dead set I am against somebody.
I completely agree with you. Rookies are going to have up and down games as they learn to adjust to be the NBA game. esp rookie point guards. But I think some people on here already have their mind dead set about Tyreke not being a true PG and there is absolutely no way to change their minds. Evans can average a triple double and make the all star game, and they would still find something to complain about. It's very frustrating. Sometimes I wish that Rubio would have came over to play for Minnesota, so I can do the same thing to Rubio. Nitpick his game to death. Just to return the favor.
Just got back from Arco...
Me and the group of people I was sitting with were HUGELY disappointed in the lack of fans/noise. The arena couldn't have been a bit more than half full.
Tyreke can be impressive when he hits his shots (spurt in 2nd quarter)...But when they don't go its ugly. I still am a sceptic if he will ever be a star and just cross my fingers he isn't Larry Hughes reborn.
I don't really get how Kenny 'Savior' Thomas () gets his minutes over John 'Peaches' Brockman. Peach has gotten significant minutes in one game and impressed, so keep it happening.
Im not even a Kenny hater, but Brockman is essentially the same thing only younger and prbably hungrier.
Mason still gets minutes?
All in all, I really hope this team can start attacting fans again...This team tried and competed while we all know last year this would have been a 25 point blowout. They deserve some support because for the secondgame of the year it was pretty sad in Arco.
Me and the group of people I was sitting with were HUGELY disappointed in the lack of fans/noise. The arena couldn't have been a bit more than half full.
Tyreke can be impressive when he hits his shots (spurt in 2nd quarter)...But when they don't go its ugly. I still am a sceptic if he will ever be a star and just cross my fingers he isn't Larry Hughes reborn.
I don't really get how Kenny 'Savior' Thomas (
) gets his minutes over John 'Peaches' Brockman. Peach has gotten significant minutes in one game and impressed, so keep it happening. Im not even a Kenny hater, but Brockman is essentially the same thing only younger and prbably hungrier.
Mason still gets minutes?
All in all, I really hope this team can start attacting fans again...This team tried and competed while we all know last year this would have been a 25 point blowout. They deserve some support because for the secondgame of the year it was pretty sad in Arco.
K
Lets look at some stats. Even if for the sake that they never mean anything, please, just look at Deron Williams game by game production in his first year. And then come back and finish this argument.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3929/gamelog;_ylt=AmyYjvC8BLGqFX_rC71SSMoaPaB4?year=2005
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3929/gamelog;_ylt=AmyYjvC8BLGqFX_rC71SSMoaPaB4?year=2005
Some people on this board just seem like they were born with a silver spoon in they mouth..
Do you learn to walk before you can crawl? or run before you can walk?
Good things come in time, and with trial and error, you dont truly understand the good things untill you have seen the negative things.
you can call me a `blind homer` if you want.. At least I can recognize when there is improvement and positive growth.
Man some of you guys are going to have a MISERABLE cuple years as kingsfans. Why dont you just leave right now and join a Lakers or Celtics board. because it aint going to be pretty. theres no yellow brick road for this team.
I`ll quote the new movie zombieland for you
Rule number 32 `enjoy the little things`
and that seems like its damn impossible for some of you on here.
Do you learn to walk before you can crawl? or run before you can walk?
Good things come in time, and with trial and error, you dont truly understand the good things untill you have seen the negative things.
you can call me a `blind homer` if you want.. At least I can recognize when there is improvement and positive growth.
Man some of you guys are going to have a MISERABLE cuple years as kingsfans. Why dont you just leave right now and join a Lakers or Celtics board. because it aint going to be pretty. theres no yellow brick road for this team.
I`ll quote the new movie zombieland for you
Rule number 32 `enjoy the little things`
and that seems like its damn impossible for some of you on here.
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