Fire Reggie Theus? (for the fourth time)
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I changed from "I'd like to see him do better" to "No Way". Part of that is just me being intransigent after seeing the question asked after every game. But seriously, I don't see any reasonable alternative. We're in this season for the lottery. We're losing, and we're not going to be competing no matter what. And I didn't get a chance to see the game tonight, but with 36 minutes for Hawes, 30 minutes for Thompson, and I think 18 minutes for Brown and 14 minutes for Greene, I don't see what there is to complain about.
We gave Reggie a team that's not ready to compete, and we're stuck paying him for the rest of the year. Unless there's a good reason to believe that our young kids' future is being irreparably harmed by Reggie, we should just ride it out and see what we can do with our picks this year. Maybe we don't bring Reggie back next year, but what's the good of firing him now?
We gave Reggie a team that's not ready to compete, and we're stuck paying him for the rest of the year. Unless there's a good reason to believe that our young kids' future is being irreparably harmed by Reggie, we should just ride it out and see what we can do with our picks this year. Maybe we don't bring Reggie back next year, but what's the good of firing him now?
If you saw the game, I'm pretty sure you'd be coming to the conclusion the Reggie Theus coaching era is/has come to an end.
The first hint of real trouble was the total lack of anything even remotely resembling defense. When our "system" of attempting to stop the Nuggets from scoring is referred to by Grant and Jerry as "the matador defense," things aren't good.
The game was horrible, it was embarrassing and it was almost beyond comprehension. There appeared to be a total disconnect on the bnech, and by the end of the game, Reggie was standing up in front of the scorer's table and Pete Youngman was actually sitting in Reggie's chair. It was more than symbolic...
At this point, I cannot think of one good reason to keep Theus around. Paying his salary anyway isn't enough of a reason IMHO, especially if our interim coach comes from the hordes of assistant coaches sitting there looking totally flummoxed.
I've seen ugly Kings games but this one has to be in the top 10. And what made it truly abysmal was that it wasn't any one thing you could put your finger on. It was just surreal and something I hope to never see again...ever. And I'm thinking that might mean I have to avoid watching Tuesday's game.
The first hint of real trouble was the total lack of anything even remotely resembling defense. When our "system" of attempting to stop the Nuggets from scoring is referred to by Grant and Jerry as "the matador defense," things aren't good.
The game was horrible, it was embarrassing and it was almost beyond comprehension. There appeared to be a total disconnect on the bnech, and by the end of the game, Reggie was standing up in front of the scorer's table and Pete Youngman was actually sitting in Reggie's chair. It was more than symbolic...
At this point, I cannot think of one good reason to keep Theus around. Paying his salary anyway isn't enough of a reason IMHO, especially if our interim coach comes from the hordes of assistant coaches sitting there looking totally flummoxed.
I've seen ugly Kings games but this one has to be in the top 10. And what made it truly abysmal was that it wasn't any one thing you could put your finger on. It was just surreal and something I hope to never see again...ever. And I'm thinking that might mean I have to avoid watching Tuesday's game.
I've seen ugly Kings games but this one has to be in the top 10. And what made it truly abysmal was that it wasn't any one thing you could put your finger on. It was just surreal and something I hope to never see again...ever. And I'm thinking that might mean I have to avoid watching Tuesday's game.
I think Tuesday's game has the possibilities of being so epically bad, so tremendously awful that you might just have to watch it so you can later say that you witnessed history live in action.
I would love to see a Q and A with Bobby Jackson right now just to see what he has to say. its usually the disgruntled that tell the truth. Sure Kevin Martin has been saying the right things but he is the best player on the team getting all the attention and min he wants. Its the guys that feel robbed of something that speak out.
Tonight was an embarressment. But, Theus shouldn't be fired untill we dump some of the vets. We are somewhat healthy for the first time this year. Give Theus a month. Get rid of some of the vets by the trade dedline and play the young guys. Throw them to the wolves. I don't care. Its all about the future. Anyone else see how pissed Mikki looked on the bench?
It was interesting to listen to Reggie after the game. One of the first times I ever saw him at a loss for words. The man really looked beaten. I take no joy in being critical of him, but one has to deal with reality. Unless a miracle happens, such as beating the Lakers on tuesday, I think he's done.
That's not true. Sure we were down at the beginning of the game but that doesn't mean we couldn't come back. He brought Jason Thomson in halfway in the first- what do you realy think Reggie gave up the game halfway in the first? It seems like the people on this borad say they want Reggie to play the kidsw, but when he finally does they find some way to spin it so it so it looks like he did it just because we are losing.
The flurry of meaningless timeouts mid-mid-1st quarter solidified my sentiments. If Theus knew what to do in that situation, it would be okay. We lost the game, and there was zero need to extend that loss with timeouts and erratic subs, for the 5th straight game. Shelden should have started, as i have mentioned before. and Nene would have never been in the position to defeat us. Shelden is the keymaker, Beno is a sentinel, Martin is trinity, and Mikki moore is the oracle. Theus is Indiana Jones from south park.
Are you guys kidding me? look .. i am a Reggie supporter hardcore, but how can you blame the nuggets game on him .. did you watch it ?
reggie cant stop the team from dribbilin into double coverage or passing it to the other team. Reggie cant make players run back on defense .. How many times did the nuggs get fast break dunks or easy drives to the buckett? Alot.
Cisco was the only player running back on defense after we threw the ball away .. how in the world is that the coachs fault .. you dont lose this bad because of a coach .. you just dont.
Miller let players drive right by him .. I counted Kmart forcing a bad shot then not even attempting to get back multiple times , it was clear to me that after the first quarter the team completely gave up ( aside from thompson ) ..
How can people on here continue put so much blame on the coach of a truly horrible horrrrrrrrrible team... half of them look like they dont even want to play basketball anymore, beno ( who I generally like ) has to stop giving the other team the ball.
Last nights game sucked, I watched it till the end just so I could comment on it here .. Reggie did what he was supposed to do. he took most of the vets out early in the first quarter because they played aweful .. the kids got a lot of minutes tonight .. thats what you guys wanted right ? Im starting to think people just complein about theus to complain. Everyone says that theus should be fired because they want to see the kids play. The kids play and they still want him fired.
reggie cant stop the team from dribbilin into double coverage or passing it to the other team. Reggie cant make players run back on defense .. How many times did the nuggs get fast break dunks or easy drives to the buckett? Alot.
Cisco was the only player running back on defense after we threw the ball away .. how in the world is that the coachs fault .. you dont lose this bad because of a coach .. you just dont.
Miller let players drive right by him .. I counted Kmart forcing a bad shot then not even attempting to get back multiple times , it was clear to me that after the first quarter the team completely gave up ( aside from thompson ) ..
How can people on here continue put so much blame on the coach of a truly horrible horrrrrrrrrible team... half of them look like they dont even want to play basketball anymore, beno ( who I generally like ) has to stop giving the other team the ball.
Last nights game sucked, I watched it till the end just so I could comment on it here .. Reggie did what he was supposed to do. he took most of the vets out early in the first quarter because they played aweful .. the kids got a lot of minutes tonight .. thats what you guys wanted right ? Im starting to think people just complein about theus to complain. Everyone says that theus should be fired because they want to see the kids play. The kids play and they still want him fired.
If this same team was able to win games early in the season to the point where we actually had people talking about the playoffs, then something has happened to change that. (And no, I never bought into the playoff talk. It was, to me, nothing more than hopeful fan exuberance.)
Is it all on the coach? OF COURSE NOT! But pointing the finger at last night's game and saying, "See, he played the kdis and they still played horribly" is like handing someone an elephant's tail and asking them to describe the animal it came from.
There are a myriad of problems on the Kings. Yes, playing time for the kids is a major one BUT so is the "matador defense," as Grant aptly called it last night.
The team tuned out. And who did they tun out on? It certainly wasn't the fans. It was the coach, IMHO.
Our team sucks. Period. When a team plays that badly for nights on end, you have to ask if there's anything you can do about it.
What a lot of us are saying is that Reggie Theus was an experiment to begin with. He was a former player who coached two years in a small college with a certain amount of success. He came to the NBA with niothing else on his coaching resume.
I've seen enough to come to the conclusion that he simply isn't what our Kings - old and new - need to build the foundation for the future. Yes, he played the kids but he also called time outs at bizarre times, panicked and threw some really bizarre combinations on the court in an attempt to find something/anything that would work and, in general, just didn't look like he had a clue what he was doing.
Coaches lose games. Players win games. It's been that way from the beginning and that's the way it always will be. In this case, that goes further. Coaches can so totally confuse and demoralize their players that the players no longer care about giving their most. They commit stupid errors and become selfish and self-absorbed.
When they showed Bobby Jackson at the end of the game, it was a look into the hearts of many of us. He was pissed - and it wasn't because the Kings lost the game. I truly believe he was most upset because of the laxk of leadership from the bench, and the decline into chaos and failure on the court.
No, Reggie didn't do what he was supposed to do. he did what would on the surface meet the requirement to "play the kids"... There's a lot more to being a successful head coaxh, however, and I don't think he's doing any of it.
The oddest thing is I still firmly believe Reggie Theus COULD be a totally adequate coach. He could work with the kids, he could challenge them to improve by putting them into situations where they didn't fear being yanked for making mistakes, he could do a lot of things. Unfortunately, I think Reggie has put himself into an adversarial relationship with the owners that can only end one way. I don't want to see us with another new coach...but I certainly don't want to see over four months more of what I saw last night.
If removing Theus stops the bleeding, so to speak, long enough to regroup our team and get them back to playing with heart and hustle then Theus has to go. It won't be the first time a coach was removed and, if you look around the NBA, it certainly won't be the last.
Is it all on the coach? OF COURSE NOT! But pointing the finger at last night's game and saying, "See, he played the kdis and they still played horribly" is like handing someone an elephant's tail and asking them to describe the animal it came from.
There are a myriad of problems on the Kings. Yes, playing time for the kids is a major one BUT so is the "matador defense," as Grant aptly called it last night.
The team tuned out. And who did they tun out on? It certainly wasn't the fans. It was the coach, IMHO.
Our team sucks. Period. When a team plays that badly for nights on end, you have to ask if there's anything you can do about it.
What a lot of us are saying is that Reggie Theus was an experiment to begin with. He was a former player who coached two years in a small college with a certain amount of success. He came to the NBA with niothing else on his coaching resume.
I've seen enough to come to the conclusion that he simply isn't what our Kings - old and new - need to build the foundation for the future. Yes, he played the kids but he also called time outs at bizarre times, panicked and threw some really bizarre combinations on the court in an attempt to find something/anything that would work and, in general, just didn't look like he had a clue what he was doing.
Coaches lose games. Players win games. It's been that way from the beginning and that's the way it always will be. In this case, that goes further. Coaches can so totally confuse and demoralize their players that the players no longer care about giving their most. They commit stupid errors and become selfish and self-absorbed.
When they showed Bobby Jackson at the end of the game, it was a look into the hearts of many of us. He was pissed - and it wasn't because the Kings lost the game. I truly believe he was most upset because of the laxk of leadership from the bench, and the decline into chaos and failure on the court.
No, Reggie didn't do what he was supposed to do. he did what would on the surface meet the requirement to "play the kids"... There's a lot more to being a successful head coaxh, however, and I don't think he's doing any of it.
The oddest thing is I still firmly believe Reggie Theus COULD be a totally adequate coach. He could work with the kids, he could challenge them to improve by putting them into situations where they didn't fear being yanked for making mistakes, he could do a lot of things. Unfortunately, I think Reggie has put himself into an adversarial relationship with the owners that can only end one way. I don't want to see us with another new coach...but I certainly don't want to see over four months more of what I saw last night.
If removing Theus stops the bleeding, so to speak, long enough to regroup our team and get them back to playing with heart and hustle then Theus has to go. It won't be the first time a coach was removed and, if you look around the NBA, it certainly won't be the last.
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Sorry if thats what it souded like, but that wasnt the point I was trying to make. The kids DIDNT play horribly. He went to them early and it almost brough us within 10 or so points .. Thompson didnt shoot well but he did rebound very well ( 10 offensive boards ) and BBrown did a decent job. I was honestly saying that you guys wanted the kids ( as did I ) and we got them .. they played well IMO .. there was no saracasm or whatever when I wrote that. The starters blew the game for us, coming out with no energy whatsoever. I dont put that on the coach, maybe thats just me ...
The Kings have never been a good defensive team, that doesnt mean we should settle for that, but no coach is going to turn this defense around .. On defense, our players either cant play it at all ( Moore, Miller ) or they are young ...
Well, considering the fact that we have changed coachs 3 times in 4 years I just dont think another coaching change in the middle of the season is a good idea. Anyone we could hire now we could hire in the offseason, and I REALLY dont want to see us bring another coach in for the rest of this year only to bring in ANOTHER new coach for next year ..
Im a firm believer that young players dont develope when they have to learn new things from new coachs year after year .. At some point we have to stick with somebody ..
One last note for now, If we do make this change ( hopefully in the offseason, if ever ) Let Petrie make the decision ..
I think it was the Maloofs who wanted Adleman gone, Maloofs that wanted Muss and the Maloofs that wanted reggie .. let Petrie do his job please ..
The Kings have never been a good defensive team, that doesnt mean we should settle for that, but no coach is going to turn this defense around .. On defense, our players either cant play it at all ( Moore, Miller ) or they are young ...
Well, considering the fact that we have changed coachs 3 times in 4 years I just dont think another coaching change in the middle of the season is a good idea. Anyone we could hire now we could hire in the offseason, and I REALLY dont want to see us bring another coach in for the rest of this year only to bring in ANOTHER new coach for next year ..
Im a firm believer that young players dont develope when they have to learn new things from new coachs year after year .. At some point we have to stick with somebody ..
One last note for now, If we do make this change ( hopefully in the offseason, if ever ) Let Petrie make the decision ..
I think it was the Maloofs who wanted Adleman gone, Maloofs that wanted Muss and the Maloofs that wanted reggie .. let Petrie do his job please ..
When a team quits like this...that always comes back to the coach. Its on the players of course. But since no coach would ever willingly accept such listless godawful play, when a team does it again and again, its a sign of major internal issues and that the coach simply isn't reaching his lockerroom any longer.