49ers thread for 2008-2009

Spike

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Nah. Singletary was rumored to be in on several openings. He probably will again this offseason. I'm fine with him as interim over Martz. Do I want the Niners to reflect Singletary's attitude, or Martz's?
Mabye Singletary will knock the snot out of Martz and get him to give the ball to Gore the rest of the season.
 
I'm ok with this. I wanted to see what Nolan could do this year, but as McCloughan basically said at some point you need to see results. There was enough reason to see what this year would bring, but not enough progress was being made to warrant Nolan staying after this season.

I'm cool with Singletary being interim head coach. You get a short year to see how well he motivates the players and to see if his week-to-week and gametime decisions are improvements over Nolan. As linebacker coach it's not like he was that busy already, and Martz has plenty of work to do with the offense on his own. (Besides, I'm not a Martz fan so I'd prefer it to be somebody else.)

I think there's a real chance that Singletary's motivational skills will get the team playing better, but I still don't expect a winning half-season the rest of the way.
 
Remaining Schedule:

vs. Seattle
BYE
@ Arizona
vs. STL
@ Dallas
@ Buffalo
vs. Jets
@ Miami
@ STL
vs. Washington


Singletary has his work cut out for him. And I still think most of those games are winnable. At Buffalo? Not gonna happen. Rest of the games are gonna be tough.

I can see us getting a top pick in the draft and I could see us getting into the playoffs in our division. We'll probably end up somewhere in the middle.
 
I'm ready for Shaun Hill. O'Sullivan has some talent and ability, and a good arm. He just was born with flippers instead of hands. The guy can't hold onto the ball to save his life. PULL HIM!!! This has to be killing Hill knowing he could run this offense better.
 

VF21

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SME
Eddie D back? Nope, but his nephew has his style...

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1344406.html

Jed York steps forward as face of 49ers
By Matthew Barrows
mbarrows@sacbee.com
Published: Sunday, Oct. 26, 2008 | Page 1C

SANTA CLARA – The dark hair and dark eyes. The boyish face. The certain calm and comfort under the media glare.

The Bay Area and beyond did a collective double take Tuesday when a figure in a navy blue suit appeared before them to announce that 49ers coach Mike Nolan had been fired.

Eddie D?

The face at the lectern, however, didn't belong to Edward DeBartolo Jr., the beloved and longed-for former owner of the 49ers. It belonged instead to his 27-year-old nephew, Jed York, who has run the 49ers' day-to-day operations for months but who until Tuesday had stepped aside while his father, John York, handled big, football-related news.

It wasn't just the fans laying eyes on the younger York for the first time who were struck by the family resemblance.

John McVay was hired by DeBartolo in 1979 and was the team's director of football operations throughout its glory days in the 1980s and 1990s.

"I have a great sense of him," McVay said of York. "What I see in him is Eddie all over again. … He looks like him. He's built like him. And I see a lot of Eddie's charm in Jed. Just the way he reaches out to people. He's not standoffish at all."

For many longtime fans and observers, a fresh face is exactly what the 49ers need. The team's faithful had grown restless not just with Nolan, who had failed to have a winning season in 3 1/2 seasons, but with the organization as a whole.

Two weeks ago, Philadelphia Eagles supporters arrived en masse at aging Candlestick Park in a game the 49ers let slip away in the fourth quarter. Today's game against Seattle nearly left the 49ers with their first television blackout since 1981.

York certainly isn't flying solo at 49ers headquarters. In fact, he insists his parents are the true owners.

"Put it this way," he said. "If Roger Goodell needed to call someone about the 49ers, he would call my mother (Denise DeBartolo York) and father."

Still, Jed York, listed as "Vice President of Strategic Planning/Owner" in the team's media guide, is the only one of the three who works continuously out of the 49ers' offices in Santa Clara.

And he handled an awfully big piece of business last week.

Handling the dirty work

Shortly after the 49ers fell to the New York Giants for their fourth consecutive loss, the Yorks decided to fire Nolan and replace him with Mike Singletary. But they wanted to do so after today's game against the Seattle Seahawks, which precedes the team's bye week.

When ESPN reported as much Monday afternoon, Jed York thought the news would undermine the team's preparation for today's game. So he called his father, who was in San Francisco, and his mother, who was in Youngstown, Ohio, and the three agreed to fire Nolan that day.

And so he did in a one-on-one sit-down with Nolan. The two later were joined by general manager Scot McCloughan.

York has a small office that overlooks the team's practice fields. His desk is surrounded by family photos. Many are of Uncle Eddie or of his grandfather, shopping center developer Edward DeBartolo Sr., who bought the 49ers in 1977.

One of York's most cherished possessions is an old matchbook with the name of his grandfather's first construction company. Another is a framed dollar bill, the first dollar he ever made while working for the DeBartolo Corp. in Ohio in 1996. His grandfather, a product of the Great Depression, once had his first dollar framed and on display in his own office.

York also has several photographs of his father, with whom he is very close. Indeed, Jed York is the embodiment of two family lines 49ers fans see in opposite terms: the DeBartolos, who brought five championships to San Francisco, and the Yorks, whose 10-year reign has coincided with a fall to the bottom of the league.

The young owner may have the surname of the man 49ers fans don't trust, but he also has the ear of the man they adore.

Reached at the Tampa, Fla., headquarters of DeBartolo Sports and Entertainment last week, Eddie DeBartolo said he speaks with his nephew perhaps four or five times during the season and had talked to him that day.

"I don't think I've ever talked to John about the operations of the franchise," he said. "I've talked to Denise."


DeBartolo said he was certain his nephew will set the organization on the right course. And he said that for all the credit he's been given over the years, it's important to remember that he also had a rough start as team owner. The 49ers won a total of four games in 1978 and 1979 and allowed general manager Joe Thomas to gut the organization.

"I wasn't exactly endeared to the 49ers or their fans," DeBartolo recalled. "I had a very inauspicious first press conference that didn't go so well. At that time, there must have been 15 guys on the 49ers' roster that were older than me." (There are 21 players on the 49ers' roster older than Jed York.)

The former 49ers owner noted similarities between him and his nephew. After all, he was only 30 when he took over. But he said there are key differences, such as free agency and the salary cap, which make it more difficult to retain top players. He also said that when he took over the 49ers, he had a strong "street sense," something his nephew has not yet acquired.

"You have to deal with things that happen on the street," DeBartolo said. "Sometimes you have to get a little bloody. You have to know how to deal with that."

Said McVay of DeBartolo in the late 1970s: "No one ever thought of him as a young whippersnapper. I guarantee that. He always had a great presence about him. He had a sense of command about him, and he knew exactly what he was looking for."

DeBartolo also had a knack for surrounding himself with the right people, including McVay, Carmen Policy and Bill Walsh.


'Enough DeBartolo blood'

The 49ers' current front office, meanwhile, has been criticized as being shapeless and ever changing.

York said Friday that his two main lieutenants are chief operating officer Andy Dolich, who advises him on business matters, and McCloughan, the team's former personnel director, who handles football-related matters.

York said he was dismayed by how much attention Paraag Marathe receives from the local media. Marathe was part of the interview team when the 49ers sought a new coach in 2005, and his name often is invoked by critics who charge that the 49ers don't have enough people with NFL backgrounds in advisory roles.

"I'm not surprised that people bash us for having a losing record," York said. "But Paraag … his job is to negotiate salaries and manage the salary cap. He's not somebody that calls plays."

And, of course, York consults Uncle Eddie.

"It's not advice," DeBartolo said. "He's a very, very intelligent young man, and he's got his own views and his own opinion on what he thinks is best and what he thinks needs to be done."

DeBartolo said his nephew might struggle early on just as he did, but in the end he'll be fine: "He's got enough DeBartolo blood in him. Not York blood. DeBartolo blood."
 
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SLAB

Hall of Famer
JTO needs to GO.

Im sick of his butterfingers, choking, fumbles, turnovers and everything else.

Close the book.
Give the ball to Hill.
 

VF21

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SME
From the article I posted above:

DeBartolo said his nephew might struggle early on just as he did, but in the end he'll be fine: "He's got enough DeBartolo blood in him. Not York blood. DeBartolo blood."
I LIKE IT! I can look past what's happening right now. The fact that John York's nasty stinky fingers aren't going to be the main ones on the controls of our 49ers makes me want to dance with joy. And, as Eddie says, knowing "DeBartolo blood" is back is icing on the cake!!!

NINERS!!!

:D
 
I guess this is one of those things where you figure any sort of change is better than the status quo... but I'm not getting excited about anything yet.

I'm still wondering why I bothered to pay for Sunday Ticket this year. These bumbling turnover prone Niners sure are fun to watch! :)
 

VF21

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I think this signals more than just "any sort of change." Jed York at the helm instead of his father is a reason for at least a modicum of excitement IMHO. I liked Eddie's comment and I thought the "I never talked to John, but I talked to Denise" was very informative. And now, Jed is stepping into a leadership role - Jed, who says he consults with Uncle Eddie?

You know me - I tend to overreact - but in this case I think this is good news, at least in the long run, for the future of our Niners.
 
I've lost the ability to be optimistic at all about the Niners, so I'll just hope you're onto something VF21. :)

Here comes Shaun Hill... oh boy.

I do feel bad for JT. Seriously man, just quit turning it over!
 
Why do you feel bad for O'Sullivan? He's done it to himself! If he was throwing good balls and they just weren't getting there because of defenses or poor receivers that would be one thing. Almost everytime he gets hit he drops the ball. When he's not dropping the ball he's throwing an interception. It's ridiculous.

It is sad I will say that. He can really put some heat on the ball and thread it at times. He just has a horrible sense of the field at times and can't hold on to the ball.
 

VF21

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I feel sorry for him because he was thrown into the deep end of the pool without a pair of water wings, or any idea where the sides were...

I don't think any Niner fan is happy with the turnovers, but I still think at least part of the problem was a lack of direction, which led to a lack of confidence which has now led to Shaun Hill.

I am hopeful for Hill because he's at least coming in with no expectations. In fact, I think his only real goal will be to "not stink."

:)
 
I feel sorry for him because he was thrown into the deep end of the pool without a pair of water wings, or any idea where the sides were...

I don't think any Niner fan is happy with the turnovers, but I still think at least part of the problem was a lack of direction, which led to a lack of confidence which has now led to Shaun Hill.

I am hopeful for Hill because he's at least coming in with no expectations. In fact, I think his only real goal will be to "not stink."

:)
VF him not having direction or confidence is one thing. That may or may not be the case, we don't really know. But, if you're taking the hit tuck the ball away for christ sakes. I mean I personally feel he has bad field vision, but is it so horrible that he can't hear the 300lb guy breathing on him as he hits him?? I mean come on. Lots of people have had to take punsihment, or be in a bad system, or not have good direction , and they don't drop the ball this mouch.

Also, you had an O Coordinator that has been in your corner since camp. A guy putting his all into you. What else do you need? It just sounds like excuses.
 
I haven't followed the upcoming draft class much but I hear it's weak at the QB position? Is that true? It would be our luck.

P.S. Just saw Vernon Davis get ejected... by Singletary I suppose. :eek:
 
I just flipped over for a second from the Cleveland/Jacksonville game and see Vernon Davis walking to the locker room. What happened theyre talking about him getting kicked off the sideline?
 
Hey Look and we got a score without a fumble. Very nice Shaun Hill. It took you a while to get warmed up. This team is yours until further notice. Easy decision.
 

SLAB

Hall of Famer
Oy Vernon is a hothead.

Maybe getting the boot will finally wake him up?
Probably not, but I'll pray because once he wakes up he's going to be Antonio Gates 2.
 
I don't really have good rationale at this point...but Singletary just received my vote for head coach next season because of that altercation with Vernon Davis.

We dont' know what happened, but I'm sure it had something to do with

A) Doing something ridiculously dumb

B) Having a bad attitude about it.


That was some Pop type stuff right there. He has no problem telling a problem telling a player to get out of here.
 
I just flipped over for a second from the Cleveland/Jacksonville game and see Vernon Davis walking to the locker room. What happened theyre talking about him getting kicked off the sideline?
He popped a guy in his face mask earlier for no reason pretty much. Got a dumb penalty over it. Singletary pulled him. He had been sitting on the bench since then...and Singletary went over and told him to get off the field. Then made it clear to him ....take your helmet and your gear and get off of MY sideline.

Basically for makeing a bad penaltgy and having a bad attitude about doing something dumb.
 

VF21

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I feel bad for him as a fellow human being. I certainly don't have any problem with him being benched. :)
Yeah, that's what I meant...

And I like the discipline already. Mike Singletary was one of my favorite non-Niner players; I'm glad to see him stepping up right away and dealing with a situation.

Maybe #13 will be very lucky for Hill...and for Niner fans.

:)