Breaking: Artest Traded to Houston
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Now I can rejoin the Kings board so I dont have to hear all the anti-Artest-hate drivel!
And I am happy to see him go to Rick A. I really hope those two mesh, and it will be interesting to see if Ron decides to play 3rd fiddle with two players *clearly* ahead of him on the Houston totem pole.
I still love RonRon and wish him nothing but the best in his future endeavors.
And I am happy to see him go to Rick A. I really hope those two mesh, and it will be interesting to see if Ron decides to play 3rd fiddle with two players *clearly* ahead of him on the Houston totem pole.
I still love RonRon and wish him nothing but the best in his future endeavors.
I have to wonder, on Houston's side...obviously this cements them as a top five type team barring any recurring injuries to T-Mac and Yao, but they get some well needed offense in their three headed monster (T-Mac, Ron and Yao) while reinforcing their defense. But does this make Battier expendable? I mean, he helps with the role player like three point shooting, but he and Ron are both defensive stoppers--they can afford to trade him to shore up a position of need.
Since I'm lazy too attention to salaries and the logistics of the trade, anyway the additional players that may be added to the deal can include anyone else from the Kings 
or would I just be asking for too much?
In any case, a good deal for Houston, for the immediate future at least.
Welcome home Bobby!
or would I just be asking for too much?In any case, a good deal for Houston, for the immediate future at least.
Welcome home Bobby!
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Take a deep breath and relax, Brick. You're about to blow a gasket over something you think I said.
I never said those kids are going to be stars. In fact I don't like Greene and I'm lukewarm on Brooks. But this is about getting two #1 picks (with Greene counting as a #1) as oppose to one #1 pick. You may remember I was for trading Artest to Denver last year for filler and one, count it one, first rounder. And remember many thought we were lucky to even get one #1 pick at all. Now, if this is true then GP doubled the return value. That's what I meant by genius.
Rockets apparently thinks highly of Greene, to convince them to give him up when they have other small contract they can throw in (like Luthur Head) is a job well done.
Now, I know you don't like people praising Petrie, Brick. But if the trade includes Greene and a #1 (even if it's a late pick), then I say GP has done well.
On the flip side, I don't think T-Mac/Yao/Artest/Battier/Scola is anything special. They'll be a very good team and they'll probably make the 2nd round, but that's as far as I see them going. This is not the "final piece" trade that I think you're implying.
I never said those kids are going to be stars. In fact I don't like Greene and I'm lukewarm on Brooks. But this is about getting two #1 picks (with Greene counting as a #1) as oppose to one #1 pick. You may remember I was for trading Artest to Denver last year for filler and one, count it one, first rounder. And remember many thought we were lucky to even get one #1 pick at all. Now, if this is true then GP doubled the return value. That's what I meant by genius.
Rockets apparently thinks highly of Greene, to convince them to give him up when they have other small contract they can throw in (like Luthur Head) is a job well done.
Now, I know you don't like people praising Petrie, Brick. But if the trade includes Greene and a #1 (even if it's a late pick), then I say GP has done well.
On the flip side, I don't think T-Mac/Yao/Artest/Battier/Scola is anything special. They'll be a very good team and they'll probably make the 2nd round, but that's as far as I see them going. This is not the "final piece" trade that I think you're implying.
I'm actually a little worried about Bobby's game--it seems that his outside shot has been very, very streaky, and while he can still score he's not efficient by any means at all. Keep in mind we're inheriting back a 35-year old B-Jax--his legs are gone, his athletic skills have diminished, and he can't hound the way defensively he used to in the past. He'll be a great veteran presence as someone who knows us very well--and provide some scoring, but anything more than that, unfortunately, is gravy.
I think you're misstating that possible Denver trade a bit. Petrie's "price" for Artest was always either 1) young player/1st Rounder/Expiring or 2) Artest/KT for expiring.
The deal at the deadline that the Kings wanted was Kleiza (young player), 1st Rounder and Najera (expiring). The Nuggest balked at including Kleiza, but that's essentially the same deal the Kings just got. I like Donta Greene better than Kleiza in terms of potential, so ultimately Petrie got both lucky (that Denver didn't take that deal), and good (for not caving and accepting less).
The deal at the deadline that the Kings wanted was Kleiza (young player), 1st Rounder and Najera (expiring). The Nuggest balked at including Kleiza, but that's essentially the same deal the Kings just got. I like Donta Greene better than Kleiza in terms of potential, so ultimately Petrie got both lucky (that Denver didn't take that deal), and good (for not caving and accepting less).
The Kings WIN in this trade in about this order:
Two number one draft picks (Greene in 2008 and next year's Rockets #1)
Just getting rid of Artest for best possible deal at this time
Cash consideration
35 year old BJax as the final piece throw in who may or may not be around in Sac or the NBA much longer.
Two number one draft picks (Greene in 2008 and next year's Rockets #1)
Just getting rid of Artest for best possible deal at this time
Cash consideration
35 year old BJax as the final piece throw in who may or may not be around in Sac or the NBA much longer.
Of course this all happens at the same time Farve faxes in his reinstatment letter.
Goodbye Ronald William "Tru Warrier" Artest Jr. You are everything I've always wanted to root for in a player ...
... aside from the mental instability and borderline bipolar schizophrenic outbursts.
Wish it could have worked out better, but no hard feelings.
I'm happy with the youth movement we've got going now and if Geoff pulls of the Miller deal with the Bulls (or one similar) I'd say we were officially in Renaissance
Don't know much about Greene, but I'm starting my research
Goodbye Ronald William "Tru Warrier" Artest Jr. You are everything I've always wanted to root for in a player ...
... aside from the mental instability and borderline bipolar schizophrenic outbursts.
Wish it could have worked out better, but no hard feelings.
I'm happy with the youth movement we've got going now and if Geoff pulls of the Miller deal with the Bulls (or one similar) I'd say we were officially in Renaissance
Don't know much about Greene, but I'm starting my research
Exactly what I had in mind. The deal was Artest for Najera, Kleiza, and #1.
I don't consider Kleiza = #1 pick since he has been in the league for a couple yrs and shown that he's at best a bench player. If we had the #27 pick in 2005 we probably wouldn't draft Kleiza.
Greene, while I dislike his game, has a lot more upside and is fresh off being drafted #1. He is a guy that slipped and is porobably the guy we'd have drafted if this had been a draft-day trade. So I count him as a #1 pick. Meaning we got two #1s out of Artest.
I don't consider Kleiza = #1 pick since he has been in the league for a couple yrs and shown that he's at best a bench player. If we had the #27 pick in 2005 we probably wouldn't draft Kleiza.
Greene, while I dislike his game, has a lot more upside and is fresh off being drafted #1. He is a guy that slipped and is porobably the guy we'd have drafted if this had been a draft-day trade. So I count him as a #1 pick. Meaning we got two #1s out of Artest.
Now I'm hearing it's either Greene or next years #1 - not both
Also, in excess of $1 mil cash to Kings.
Can't confirm that Greene is involved until Aug. 14 when he can officially be traded.
Thus, it may just be BJax, a mil or so cash and next years #1 pick. Maybe not all that great unless Greene part of package plus next years pick.
Also, in excess of $1 mil cash to Kings.
Can't confirm that Greene is involved until Aug. 14 when he can officially be traded.
Thus, it may just be BJax, a mil or so cash and next years #1 pick. Maybe not all that great unless Greene part of package plus next years pick.
I don't think you have been following Kleiza very closely -- the guy dropped 40 on somebody last year. I prefer the limitless potential of Green's youth, but Kleiza is no scrub, and at the ripe old age of 23 has some statistical similarities at the same age to a groundbound shooter we had around here once upon a time.
Now I'm hearing it's either Greene or next years #1 - not both
Also, in excess of $1 mil cash to Kings.
Can't confirm that Greene is involved until Aug. 14 when he can officially be traded.
Thus, it may just be BJax, a mil or so cash and next years #1 pick. Maybe not all that great unless Greene part of package plus next years pick.
Also, in excess of $1 mil cash to Kings.
Can't confirm that Greene is involved until Aug. 14 when he can officially be traded.
Thus, it may just be BJax, a mil or so cash and next years #1 pick. Maybe not all that great unless Greene part of package plus next years pick.
Take Greene over the #1 thank you very much. At the point its just for BJax and a #1 in the #25-#30 range, that's largely just a dump and would again make you wonder if there just weren't many real offers for Ron after all.
Expiring/Youngster/Pick - Check! Check! Check!
I hope the details are true, because to me this is much better than any deal that's been said to be on the table so far.
Greene was one of the more impressive players in the summer leagues and looks like a steal where he was taken. He's probably mid-1st value in this year's draft at least.
I hope the details are true, because to me this is much better than any deal that's been said to be on the table so far.
Greene was one of the more impressive players in the summer leagues and looks like a steal where he was taken. He's probably mid-1st value in this year's draft at least.
More confirmation: Houston will send Greene, BJax and the money if both players pass physicals. Can't officially certify until physicals and in the case of Greene until Aug. 14. If Greene is not part of deal for any reason Kings take Rockets #1 next year. Thus, the only thing for sure is trade has been made and Artest is gone.
The Rockets win for the time being--talentwise, they are certainly up there, and now they have a legitimate 2-way team--one that can excel both offensively and defensively, provided that they get a better playmaker rather than Rafer Alston; look for Battier to get traded for an upper-echelon point guard. But there are extreme physical and mental issues with their team--can they stay healthy? Can Artest keep in check? So many variables. Their team is at its prime (Yao at 28, TMac at 29, Artest at 29) so their window is small, but it can be a 2-3 year window and with a smart GM like Morey they can continue to load up to elongate that window.
We won't win for next year, with the super deep West, but with the Clippers, Denver, and possibly Golden State ahead of us in the "ready-now" talent chart, we're probably an 11th seed and beyond for next year guaranteeing another high draft pick to expedite our rebuilding process. Geoff did the smart thing here--Greene is a poor man's Durant at best, but seeing how the youth pans out right now will only help us in the long run.
We won't win for next year, with the super deep West, but with the Clippers, Denver, and possibly Golden State ahead of us in the "ready-now" talent chart, we're probably an 11th seed and beyond for next year guaranteeing another high draft pick to expedite our rebuilding process. Geoff did the smart thing here--Greene is a poor man's Durant at best, but seeing how the youth pans out right now will only help us in the long run.