Possible trade scenarios

[Dime Dropper]

I don't often post trade ideas, but I've got time aplenty so I decided to experiment on TradeChecker. These aren't going to be popular suggestions, but I'd be OK with them if they went down.

First suggestion:

Kings Trade:
Ron Artest
Mikki Moore
Kenny Thomas

Kings get:
Eric Snow (expiring)
Wally Szczerbiak (expiring)
2009 1st Rd Pick

Cleveland Trade:
Snow
Szczerbiak
'09 1st Rd pick

Cleveland gets:
Artest
Moore
KT

Why for Kings: Gets rid of Ron who doesn't want to be here. Gets rid of KTs contract, as well as Moore to clear space and to get extra time for Hawes and Thompson. 1st round picks are always welcome and needed in a time where we should be rebuilding. Clevelands pick will likely be in the 18-24 area, giving us a shot at a good prospect.

Why for Cleveland: They need help badly. Ron will give them that. Moore can give them some extra depth also. If it doesn't work out, it's not like they're stuck with long contracts. If they want this deal they have to take KT.

Note: I am not one of those posters who is willing to do anything to get rid of KT, at this stage he doesn't bother me alot since he doesn't play. But, it would still be nice to turn him into an expiring.

People are going to hate the above, as they see it as a "talent bleed". Maybe peope feel we can get something better, that's fine. I don't think we can if we want to include Moore (I do) and KT. As well as getting an extra pick and a higher one for us with the loss of Artest, it also opens up alot of minutes for Hawes and Thompson to develop, as well as Garcia at the 3.

I'll edit with my other ideas shortly.


Alternate idea:

Kings trade:
Artest

Kings get:
Bobby Jackson
Donte Green
'09 2nd Rounder

Rockets trade:
Jackson
Greene
'09 2nd Rounder

Rockets get:
Artest

Why for Kings: Ron is pretty much an expiring anyway, but getting Greene for nothing would be pretty nice. He's young and talented so he's a welcome addition. Losing Ron also helps our draft position. We might have an actual shot of getting a legit star. Can you imagine a core of Rubio/Martin/Greene/Thompson/Hawes with Garcia off the bench? Add in a couple other high picks and that's a very good young team.

Why for Rockets: As has been proven, you need a trio to get it done. While T-Mac/Ron/Yao wouldn't be a definite, they would be closer than they are now, especially when the west is so tough. It's pretty much trading Greene for Artest, and Greene isn't near ready to help them yet.

I'm not 100% sure if they can trade Greene, but I think they can since he was a 2nd rounder. If they can't, just substitute him with an '09 1st rounder.

 

[RunNGun]

Are we really going to trade one of the best two-way players in the league for a late first round pick? I know a lot of people are up for trading away Artest, but I want value for value. And while a lot of people would like to get rid of KT and Moore, but their contracts are going to be valuable next season and I would rather hold onto them and make a move in the future rather than waste every potential asset that the Kings have available.

 

[VF21]

Are we really going to trade one of the best two-way players in the league for a late first round pick? I know a lot of people are up for trading away Artest, but I want value for value.

There was a time when that might have made sense. At this point, however, having Ron Artest on our team for another year is unacceptable to me. Shenanigans and constant drama aside, Artest the player does absolutely nothing to help a rebuilding team. He would not be willing to take a secondary role. He would not be happy unless he's the primary option and I'd sooner have Slamson in that role than Artest. He's outlived his time here and he needs to go. The team needs it, the fans need it and Artest needs it.

 

[FakeInjury]

Trade ID #4720828.....Ok i tweaked it a little....Cleveland goes for broke, and gives milwaukee its' 1st round pick in 09, and the kings get its first round pick in '10, but cleveland gets Mikael Redd, Ron Artest and Kenny Thomas, Milwaukee recieves nobody, maybe cash considerations and or a 2nd round pick to concede to this.
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[VF21]

Trade ID #4720828.....Ok i tweaked it a little....Cleveland goes for broke, and gives milwaukee its' 1st round pick in 09, and the kings get its first round pick in '10, but cleveland gets Mikael Redd, Ron Artest and Kenny Thomas, Milwaukee recieves nobody, maybe cash considerations and or a 2nd round pick to concede to this.
.

???

If you want discussion on your trade proposal, it's generally considered good form to post it here.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

EXCELLENT TRADE PROPOSAL!

expirings and a pick. Cleveland is definitely in WIN NOW mode w/ lebron possibly bolting after his contract is up. ron ron is a one year gamble and will be on his best behavior. we grab 2 expirings which will come in handy when the trade deadline comes up for teams that are giving away talent (pau gasol) for cap space. or we could just let them expire. a late 1st round is very useful when talent slips down the draft. i give you 5 stars for this one man

I don't often post trade ideas, but I've got time aplenty so I decided to experiment on TradeChecker. These aren't going to be popular suggestions, but I'd be OK with them if they went down.

First suggestion:

Kings Trade:
Ron Artest
Mikki Moore
Kenny Thomas

Kings get:
Eric Snow (expiring)
Wally Szczerbiak (expiring)
2009 1st Rd Pick

Cleveland Trade:
Snow
Szczerbiak
'09 1st Rd pick

Cleveland gets:
Artest
Moore
KT

Why for Kings: Gets rid of Ron who doesn't want to be here. Gets rid of KTs contract, as well as Moore to clear space and to get extra time for Hawes and Thompson. 1st round picks are always welcome and needed in a time where we should be rebuilding. Clevelands pick will likely be in the 18-24 area, giving us a shot at a good prospect.

Why for Cleveland: They need help badly. Ron will give them that. Moore can give them some extra depth also. If it doesn't work out, it's not like they're stuck with long contracts. If they want this deal they have to take KT.

Note: I am not one of those posters who is willing to do anything to get rid of KT, at this stage he doesn't bother me alot since he doesn't play. But, it would still be nice to turn him into an expiring.

People are going to hate the above, as they see it as a "talent bleed". Maybe peope feel we can get something better, that's fine. I don't think we can if we want to include Moore (I do) and KT. As well as getting an extra pick and a higher one for us with the loss of Artest, it also opens up alot of minutes for Hawes and Thompson to develop, as well as Garcia at the 3.

I'll edit with my other ideas shortly.


Alternate idea:

Kings trade:
Artest

Kings get:
Bobby Jackson
Donte Green
'09 2nd Rounder

Rockets trade:
Jackson
Greene
'09 2nd Rounder

Rockets get:
Artest

Why for Kings: Ron is pretty much an expiring anyway, but getting Greene for nothing would be pretty nice. He's young and talented so he's a welcome addition. Losing Ron also helps our draft position. We might have an actual shot of getting a legit star. Can you imagine a core of Rubio/Martin/Greene/Thompson/Hawes with Garcia off the bench? Add in a couple other high picks and that's a very good young team.

Why for Rockets: As has been proven, you need a trio to get it done. While T-Mac/Ron/Yao wouldn't be a definite, they would be closer than they are now, especially when the west is so tough. It's pretty much trading Greene for Artest, and Greene isn't near ready to help them yet.

I'm not 100% sure if they can trade Greene, but I think they can since he was a 2nd rounder. If they can't, just substitute him with an '09 1st rounder.

 

[mac]

Only problem is positions. James and Artest both play SF, would Cleveland want Artest?

 

[NewMonkey]

I don't often post trade ideas, but I've got time aplenty so I decided to experiment on TradeChecker. These aren't going to be popular suggestions, but I'd be OK with them if they went down.

First suggestion:

Kings Trade:
Ron Artest
Mikki Moore
Kenny Thomas

Kings get:
Eric Snow (expiring)
Wally Szczerbiak (expiring)
2009 1st Rd Pick

Cleveland Trade:
Snow
Szczerbiak
'09 1st Rd pick

Cleveland gets:
Artest
Moore
KT

Why for Kings: Gets rid of Ron who doesn't want to be here. Gets rid of KTs contract, as well as Moore to clear space and to get extra time for Hawes and Thompson. 1st round picks are always welcome and needed in a time where we should be rebuilding. Clevelands pick will likely be in the 18-24 area, giving us a shot at a good prospect.

Why for Cleveland: They need help badly. Ron will give them that. Moore can give them some extra depth also. If it doesn't work out, it's not like they're stuck with long contracts. If they want this deal they have to take KT.

Note: I am not one of those posters who is willing to do anything to get rid of KT, at this stage he doesn't bother me alot since he doesn't play. But, it would still be nice to turn him into an expiring.

People are going to hate the above, as they see it as a "talent bleed". Maybe peope feel we can get something better, that's fine. I don't think we can if we want to include Moore (I do) and KT. As well as getting an extra pick and a higher one for us with the loss of Artest, it also opens up alot of minutes for Hawes and Thompson to develop, as well as Garcia at the 3.

It's not bad, and you did a great job supporting your argument. The problem is that the Cavs already have Varejao and Ben Wallace playing power forward, so is it worth for them to add two players who don't fit and won't get time just to go from Wally to Artest? Maybe it is, but I'm not convinced.

There's a similar problem with the Kings. Trading Mikki Moore and Kenny Thomas leaves the team with Jason Thompson and Shelden Williams at Power Forward. (Is Shareef healthy?) I would love for the young guys to get minutes, but I seriously, seriously doubt that the Kings go into the season with one of those two as the stater. Finally, you've now got Salmons, Garcia and Wally fighting for minutes at small forward, along with a few backup minutes at shooting guard.

I don't think it makes a lot of sense for either team from a personnel standpoint.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Thanks for the feedback. Of course, their are always going to be flaws for both sides, I guess that's why trades that seem to make "perfect sense" don't often go down.

I guess my reasoning with sending Ron to the Cavs is that the beauty of having Lebron is that you don't have to play him strictly in one position. He handles the ball alot and I feel him and Ron would be interchangable. I think the Cavs would have to do this, getting a player like Ron for as little as this is a no-brainer considering they will have to fight tooth-and-nails to keep him, particularly if they don't even attempt to put legitimate help around him.

Not to mention, Big Z is getting on and he is a nice piece to have on a contending team.


I do understand what you're saying, though. I suppose I'm just thinking out loud!

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Only problem is positions. James and Artest both play SF, would Cleveland want Artest?

james is MORE than capable of playing SG. artest would give them a lock down defender so james doesn't have to guard their best player. this will give him an edge allowing him to expend more energy on offense than defense.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

It's not bad, and you did a great job supporting your argument. The problem is that the Cavs already have Varejao and Ben Wallace playing power forward, so is it worth for them to add two players who don't fit and won't get time just to go from Wally to Artest? Maybe it is, but I'm not convinced.

There's a similar problem with the Kings. Trading Mikki Moore and Kenny Thomas leaves the team with Jason Thompson and Shelden Williams at Power Forward. (Is Shareef healthy?) I would love for the young guys to get minutes, but I seriously, seriously doubt that the Kings go into the season with one of those two as the stater. Finally, you've now got Salmons, Garcia and Wally fighting for minutes at small forward, along with a few backup minutes at shooting guard.

I don't think it makes a lot of sense for either team from a personnel standpoint.

isn't that what you want for the kings? this will only accelerate our young big's learning process. this is an excellent trade for both teams. cleveland gets a big risk big reward player in artest. kings get expirings + pick.

 

[NewMonkey]

Thanks for the feedback. Of course, their are always going to be flaws for both sides, I guess that's why trades that seem to make "perfect sense" don't often go down.

I guess my reasoning with sending Ron to the Cavs is that the beauty of having Lebron is that you don't have to play him strictly in one position. He handles the ball alot and I feel him and Ron would be interchangable. I think the Cavs would have to do this, getting a player like Ron for as little as this is a no-brainer considering they will have to fight tooth-and-nails to keep him, particularly if they don't even attempt to put legitimate help around him.

Not to mention, Big Z is getting on and he is a nice piece to have on a contending team.


I do understand what you're saying, though. I suppose I'm just thinking out loud!

Yeah - I understand completely. LeBron really could play any one of four positions, so you can definitely move him around if you pick up a player like Artest. There is definitely an argument to be made that Artest could make them better and it doesn't matter what other, unimportant players go or stay to make it happen. I think the Kings would rather take the Odom for Artest and Kenny Thomas deal, even though it doesn't net them a draft pick.

 

[NewMonkey]

isn't that what you want for the kings? this will only accelerate our young big's learning process. this is an excellent trade for both teams. cleveland gets a big risk big reward player in artest. kings get expirings + pick.

It is. But I don't think team management wants to go this direction. They won't start the season with Jason Thompson and Shelden Williams fighting it out to play Power Forward. I'd certainly be willing to try it and would just as soon see the vets go, but that's probably why they pay Geoff Petrie to work on personnel and not me.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I don't often post trade ideas, but I've got time aplenty so I decided to experiment on TradeChecker.

Kings trade:
Artest

Kings get:
Bobby Jackson
Donte Green
'09 2nd Rounder

Rockets trade:
Jackson
Greene
'09 2nd Rounder

Rockets get:
Artest

Why for Kings: Ron is pretty much an expiring anyway, but getting Greene for nothing would be pretty nice. He's young and talented so he's a welcome addition. Losing Ron also helps our draft position. We might have an actual shot of getting a legit star. Can you imagine a core of Rubio/Martin/Greene/Thompson/Hawes with Garcia off the bench? Add in a couple other high picks and that's a very good young team.

Why for Rockets: As has been proven, you need a trio to get it done. While T-Mac/Ron/Yao wouldn't be a definite, they would be closer than they are now, especially when the west is so tough. It's pretty much trading Greene for Artest, and Greene isn't near ready to help them yet.

I'm not 100% sure if they can trade Greene, but I think they can since he was a 2nd rounder. If they can't, just substitute him with an '09 1st rounder.

I think this deserves a bump. I got it 100% right except that we got a 1st instead of a 2nd rounder. Am I the first person on this board to predict a trade?! I think I deserve a medal! Say hello to the future Kings GM

 

[Spike]

I think this deserves a bump. I got it 100% right except that we got a 1st instead of a 2nd rounder. Am I the first person on this board to predict a trade?! I think I deserve a medal! Say hello to the future Kings GM

¡Dios mío!

 

[kennadog]

So now we know where Geoff got the idea. Good job, Dime Dropper!

 

[bajaden]

He stole it from me. I just forgot to post it. Good job dude..

 

[tradepeja]

Wow, excellent prediction dime. A winner is you.


Now draw one up for Brad.

 

[Kingster]

I think this deserves a bump. I got it 100% right except that we got a 1st instead of a 2nd rounder. Am I the first person on this board to predict a trade?! I think I deserve a medal! Say hello to the future Kings GM

You deserve a bow, sir. Now, please tell us if and how the Miller trade is going down.

 

[NME]

Pssh...no mention of Singletary and Ewing thrown in for salary reason.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Thanks all. My "sources" (voices in my head) tell me Brad won't be traded this summer.

I think he's more likely to be traded near the dead-line, if at all. I'll post a trade prediction when my gut tells me to......





NOTE: I am aware my previous prediction was luck mixed with what I thought was a good trade, and will not accept responsibility for getting peoples hopes up in future.

 

[mojorizen7]

I'll throw this out there.....
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...166~2167~556~1726&teams=23~23~21~21&te=&cash=
Phoenix Suns


Incoming Players

John Salmons
Salary: $5,104,000 Years Remaining: 3

Brad Miller
Salary: $11,375,000 Years Remaining: 2

Outgoing Players: Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa
___________________________________________
Sacramento Kings


Incoming Players

Boris Diaw
Salary: $9,000,000 Years Remaining: 3

Leandro Barbosa
Salary: $6,100,000 Years Remaining: 3

Outgoing Players: John Salmons, Brad Miller

 

[Entity]

seems like a trade just to be making a trade. I don't want to just settle and take on equal talent with longer contracts. Youth and picks are what we are looking for not guys that have reached their potential and that is role playing benchers.

 

[mojorizen7]

seems like a trade just to be making a trade. I don't want to just settle and take on equal talent with longer contracts. Youth and picks are what we are looking for not guys that have reached their potential and that is role playing benchers.

I getcha and from your standpoint i agree completely however from a SUNS fan p.o.v. i think this trade makes us slighty bettter.

 

[FakeInjury]

Our two first round picks next year and beno for OJ MAYO. I dont see how the griz could turn that down. beno is a pass first player, who they lack, and two first round picks in addition to getting rid of a locker room problem...I think MAyo is a problem b/c he will be looking to score the ball before he is looking to win a game. In sacramento, we would have no problem with this. I think Mayo needs a better market and better fans to motivate him not just to perform for himself.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Our two first round picks next year and beno for OJ MAYO. I dont see how the griz could turn that down. beno is a pass first player, who they lack, and two first round picks in addition to getting rid of a locker room problem...I think MAyo is a problem b/c he will be looking to score the ball before he is looking to win a game. In sacramento, we would have no problem with this. I think Mayo needs a better market and better fans to motivate him not just to perform for himself.

A locker room problem? They haven't even played a regular season game and the guys already a locker room problem? I think your reaching a bit. Lets let this guy play a season before we start sticking labels on him. While Memphis may not be a dream destination for a guy like Mayo, with Marc Gasol and potentially Josh Smith, they could have a strong trio going forward. (Assuming Marc Gasol is everything the scouts are saying, I've never seen the guy play so I don't know anything about him)

 

[FakeInjury]

I am reaching. but, am I wrong in this trade? is it even? i think so.

 

[VF21]

Our two first round picks next year and beno for OJ MAYO. I dont see how the griz could turn that down. beno is a pass first player, who they lack, and two first round picks in addition to getting rid of a locker room problem...I think MAyo is a problem b/c he will be looking to score the ball before he is looking to win a game. In sacramento, we would have no problem with this. I think Mayo needs a better market and better fans to motivate him not just to perform for himself.

yeah, I'm sure they'd jump on that with both feet.

Are you reaching? Um, yeah.

 

[chrisnu]

The Grizzlies wouldn't want/need Beno; they have too many point guards as it is (Conley, Lowry, Crittenton, Jaric). Mayo is their starting SG. They also wouldn't likely want to take on Beno's five-year contract, unless Marko Jaric was being sent to the Kings. I don't think the Kings would want Jaric, either.

 

[FakeInjury]

I admitted the reach. I beleive Mayo is going to bust for the grizz because they dont have a big man who earns 20 and 10 every night. therfore, another offseason of "fishing"(Lottery). Yes, OJ is going to be good, but if someone offered you 2 picks for 1 how bad can that be. Unless it's Kobe or KG or Lebron were talking about; 2:1 is a nice little gain on one's investment. Plus I am sure that Jaric would be involved and I am down.