Lottery position thread

VF21

VF21

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#181
#181
I thought a win that is really a loss is a WOSS and a loss that is actually a win is a LIN.

W(in) but l(OSS) = WOSS and L(oss) but w(IN) = LIN
 
Warhawk

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#182
#182
VF21 said:
I thought a win that is really a loss is a WOSS and a loss that is actually a win is a LIN.

W(in) but l(OSS) = WOSS and L(oss) but w(IN) = LIN
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This is my understanding as well.

Losses (games) are actually wins (ping-pong balls).
 
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fnordius

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#187
#187
Knicks, yes, 9th/10th tie now. And the Timberwolves are only half a game behind, although they play Seattle tomorrow, so will have a really hard time getting anything but a woss out of that.

Bulls? :confused:

I was bored tonight since there was no game, so I wasted some time doing a little project. I took the top 20 picks from a number of different mock draft lists and put them together, trying to come up with some sort of consensus. Every list I've seen seems to go out on a limb once in a while, but I figured that an average of several recently updated lists wouldn't suck too badly. As it turned out, they went out on limbs often enough that I ended up with only a top 16 list -- after about #10 there's very little agreement, with most lists including some guys that do not appear in any position on some of the other lists. Anyway, here it is, the number in parenthesis is their average ranking:

#1 (1.25) Greg Oden
#2 (1.75) Kevin Durant -- but he's very close to tied for #1
#3 (3.0) Brandan Wright, the ONLY case where everyone agreed
Honorable mention (probably won't declare this year): Julian Wright (4.5)
#4 (5.0) Al Horford
#5 (5.75) Joakim Noah
#6 (6.75) Yi Jianlian
#7 (8.0) Jeff Green
#8 (8.75) Spencer Hawes
#9 (9.67) Roy Hibbert
#10 (11.33) Al Thornton
Honorable mention: (probably not declaring this year) Mike Conley (12.0)
Honorable mention: (no consensus, reason unknown) Chase Budlinger (13.0)
#11 (13.33) Corey Brewer
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Nick Young (14.0)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Tywon Lawson (14.0)
#12 (14.33) Acie Law
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Tyler Hansbrough (16.0)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Thaddeus Young (16.5)
#13 (17.33) Tiago Splitter
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Rudy Fernandez, (17.5)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Javaris Crittendon (18.0)
#14 (20.33) Marcus Williams
#15 (20.33) Josh McRoberts
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Derrick Byars (21.0)
#16 (22.33) Marco Belinelli
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Hasheem Thabeet (22.5)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Marc Gasol (24.5)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Brandon Rush (25.0)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Jason Smith (25.33)

Maybe we can stop talking so much about guys like Al Horford, Julian Wright and Joakim Noah... If we miraculously get a top 3 pick, surely we would pick Oden, Durant or Brandan Wright. If we don't, we will be picking somewhere between 7 and 13, and the aforementioned guys will be gone, Jianlian and Hawes probably will be too.

So now I'm trying to get psyched about the Roy Hibbert - Tiago Splitter range.

How about that Roy Hibbert?
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

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#189
#189
Vlade4GM said:
Does anyone know what the lowest position was that has ever jumped into the top 3?
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Orlando had the 11th-worst record in 1992-93 (which would be the equivalent of the 14th-worst record today, as there were only 27 team in the league at that time), and literally missed the playoffs on a tiebreaker to Indiana... and they won the whole damned thing. Or did I misunderstand the question?
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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#192
#192
Darrel Arthur? 6'9" 230lb 10pt 5reb frosh Darrel Arthur?

I mean, he's got potential and all that, but what has he done that is actually droolworthy? He's pretty much a pure PF at that size -- no center work. Managed to score 20pts ina game exatly twice, on back to back nights back at the bginning of the season. Managed to grab double figure boards exactly twice, in back to back games in Feb. What did I miss to have people so excited they would draft him in the lottery?
 
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fnordius

All-Star
#193
#193
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Orlando had the 11th-worst record in 1992-93 (which would be the equivalent of the 14th-worst record today, as there were only 27 team in the league at that time), and literally missed the playoffs on a tiebreaker to Indiana... and they won the whole damned thing. Or did I misunderstand the question?
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I suspect that when they asked the question they were thinking of a lottery which was set up and weighted the way the current one is, which would mean 1995 or later. Orlando had a 1/66 chance then, they would have a 1/200 chance if that lottery were held now.
 
Kingster

Kingster

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#194
#194
VF21 said:
I thought a win that is really a loss is a WOSS and a loss that is actually a win is a LIN.

W(in) but l(OSS) = WOSS and L(oss) but w(IN) = LIN
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I'm confused.:confused: From now on, if we win, I'm calling it a LOSS. If we lose, I'm calling it a WIN. Kingster's Dictionary.:D
 
Kingster

Kingster

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#195
#195
fnordius said:
Knicks, yes, 9th/10th tie now. And the Timberwolves are only half a game behind, although they play Seattle tomorrow, so will have a really hard time getting anything but a woss out of that.

Bulls? :confused:

I was bored tonight since there was no game, so I wasted some time doing a little project. I took the top 20 picks from a number of different mock draft lists and put them together, trying to come up with some sort of consensus. Every list I've seen seems to go out on a limb once in a while, but I figured that an average of several recently updated lists wouldn't suck too badly. As it turned out, they went out on limbs often enough that I ended up with only a top 16 list -- after about #10 there's very little agreement, with most lists including some guys that do not appear in any position on some of the other lists. Anyway, here it is, the number in parenthesis is their average ranking:

#1 (1.25) Greg Oden
#2 (1.75) Kevin Durant -- but he's very close to tied for #1
#3 (3.0) Brandan Wright, the ONLY case where everyone agreed
Honorable mention (probably won't declare this year): Julian Wright (4.5)
#4 (5.0) Al Horford
#5 (5.75) Joakim Noah
#6 (6.75) Yi Jianlian
#7 (8.0) Jeff Green
#8 (8.75) Spencer Hawes
#9 (9.67) Roy Hibbert
#10 (11.33) Al Thornton
Honorable mention: (probably not declaring this year) Mike Conley (12.0)
Honorable mention: (no consensus, reason unknown) Chase Budlinger (13.0)
#11 (13.33) Corey Brewer
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Nick Young (14.0)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Tywon Lawson (14.0)
#12 (14.33) Acie Law
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Tyler Hansbrough (16.0)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Thaddeus Young (16.5)
#13 (17.33) Tiago Splitter
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Rudy Fernandez, (17.5)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Javaris Crittendon (18.0)
#14 (20.33) Marcus Williams
#15 (20.33) Josh McRoberts
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Derrick Byars (21.0)
#16 (22.33) Marco Belinelli
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Hasheem Thabeet (22.5)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Marc Gasol (24.5)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Brandon Rush (25.0)
Honorable mention: (no consensus) Jason Smith (25.33)

Maybe we can stop talking so much about guys like Al Horford, Julian Wright and Joakim Noah... If we miraculously get a top 3 pick, surely we would pick Oden, Durant or Brandan Wright. If we don't, we will be picking somewhere between 7 and 13, and the aforementioned guys will be gone, Jianlian and Hawes probably will be too.

So now I'm trying to get psyched about the Roy Hibbert - Tiago Splitter range.

How about that Roy Hibbert?
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First, regarding Wright, did you see the USC-North Carolina game? The USC guy (forget his name) dominated Wright. If he comes out, I'd pick him in a heartbeat (assuming that his character is beyond reproach) Also, are we factoring in all the foreign players? Knowing Petrie, he's going to choose someone out of Zambia that we've never heard of.
 
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BMiller52

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#196
#196
Kingster said:
First, regarding Wright, did you see the USC-North Carolina game? The USC guy (forget his name) dominated Wright. If he comes out, I'd pick him in a heartbeat (assuming that his character is beyond reproach) Also, are we factoring in all the foreign players? Knowing Petrie, he's going to choose someone out of Zambia that we've never heard of.
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I thought Wright played pretty damn well against USC. A lot better than Hansbrough.
 
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BMiller52

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#197
#197
Bricklayer said:
Darrel Arthur? 6'9" 230lb 10pt 5reb frosh Darrel Arthur?

I mean, he's got potential and all that, but what has he done that is actually droolworthy? He's pretty much a pure PF at that size -- no center work. Managed to score 20pts ina game exatly twice, on back to back nights back at the bginning of the season. Managed to grab double figure boards exactly twice, in back to back games in Feb. What did I miss to have people so excited they would draft him in the lottery?
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Considering he only got 20 MPG or something like that, was a freshman, and shared touches with about 5 future NBA players I don't think his 10 PPG are that bad. From what I've seen he's athletic and on offense he can already do some of everything. Play in the post, finish inside, hit a mid range J, etc. Also the fact that he's a pretty good shotblocker. People see 10/5 and they aren't that excited but he was sharing touches/boards with Julian Wright, Sasha Kaun, and from what I've seen Darnell Jackson isn't too bad either. He's battling for PT in a stacked front court. Then he has to share touches with Julian Wright, Brandan Rush, Mario Chalmers, etc. That team is basically stacked, no way for everyone to get their touches/stats. Obviously if you draft Arthur you're not expecting him to come in and get 20/10 but he easily has the most potential out of the bigs left where we'd be picking, except for maybe Hibbert.
 
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fnordius

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#198
#198
Kingster said:
First, regarding Wright, did you see the USC-North Carolina game? The USC guy (forget his name) dominated Wright.
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My purpose in this thread wasn't to try to champion the cause of any player(s). If you think that ESPN, nbadraft.net, draftexpress.com, and so on are all smoking crack, take it up with them. I was only trying to get an idea on what the consensus was as to who would be available or not. Whatever my ideas may be about the merits of various players, I'm sure that GM thoughts are influenced more by ESPN's rankings than by mine.

I'm not trying to say what right draft positions are, just what seem like probable draft positions. If you want to talk about who you think is underrated, start a topic on the guy.
Kingster said:
If he comes out, I'd pick him in a heartbeat (assuming that his character is beyond reproach)
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Didn't see the game, although Wright's 21 points (9/15 shooting) and 9 rebounds don't seem all that terrible. USC had 2 forwards who scored any points at all in that game, so I'll assume you mean one of them. They were Nick Young, mentioned above (15 points on 6/13, 7 rebounds and 6 TO), and Taj Gibson (16 points on 7/12, 12 rebounds, 4 blocks and 4 TO). The account I read said that Gibson was guarding Hansbrough, not Wright, so maybe you were watching Nick Young?

Gibson seems pretty interesting, although I have to wonder a little... he's a freshman now, having finished high school last year. He's also 21 years old. What's with that?
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Also, are we factoring in all the foreign players? Knowing Petrie, he's going to choose someone out of Zambia that we've never heard of.
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Or somebody out of Utah Valley State, Wyoming or Western Carolina. I think that they are trying to take everyone into account, that's probably why there were 30 names given for 20 positions, even though the top 10 were pretty well agreed upon.
 
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fnordius

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#200
#200
Oh, man, I bet the management in Seattle are getting ulcers right now. Lewis and Watson just pulled a number like Bibby and Artest did against the Suns, Seattle was down 25, Allen out of the game, then the two Sonics rack up 59 points between them.

No excuses for Minny, you don't get a margin like that at home and then lose it to one of the worst teams in the NBA without trying.

This drops us to 9th/10th/11th. NO/OKC and Indiana both got half a game closer to us today, too.

Brad may be out for a while, time to sign Gary Coleman to a 10-day contract.
 
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BMiller52

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#201
#201
fnordius said:
Oh, man, I bet the management in Seattle are getting ulcers right now. Lewis and Watson just pulled a number like Bibby and Artest did against the Suns, Seattle was down 25, Allen out of the game, then the two Sonics rack up 59 points between them.

No excuses for Minny, you don't get a margin like that at home and then lose it to one of the worst teams in the NBA without trying.

This drops us to 9th/10th/11th. NO/OKC and Indiana both got half a game closer to us today, too.

Brad may be out for a while, time to sign Gary Coleman to a 10-day contract.
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Where'd you hear that?
 
VF21

VF21

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#203
#203
BMiller52 said:
Where'd you hear that?
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This is the second flare-up this season for Brad's plantar fasciitis. The only real cure, aside from surgery in some cases, is rest. With the Kings going nowhere very quickly, it's quite possible they'll just tell him to rest up and get ready for next year.
 
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BMiller52

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#204
#204
VF21 said:
This is the second flare-up this season for Brad's plantar fasciitis. The only real cure, aside from surgery in some cases, is rest. With the Kings going nowhere very quickly, it's quite possible they'll just tell him to rest up and get ready for next year.
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I wish we would just do that with everyone and let the team get a good draft pick...
 
VF21

VF21

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#205
#205
BMiller52 said:
I wish we would just do that with everyone and let the team get a good draft pick...
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Isn't that just a rehash of the old "tanking" discussion? If we do it, what's to prevent the other crappy teams from doing it? And you still run the risk of NOT getting one of the best draft picks...
 
Vlade4GM

Vlade4GM

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#206
#206
VF21 said:
Isn't that just a rehash of the old "tanking" discussion? If we do it, what's to prevent the other crappy teams from doing it? And you still run the risk of NOT getting one of the best draft picks...
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That's just all the more reason to do it ourselves. if other teams are willing to do it they're going to do it no matter what we do. and what's the risk of doing it?
 
VF21

VF21

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#207
#207
I was going to delete my comment above because I'm no longer going to participate in the "tanking" discussions. Unfortunately my comments were quoted so I'm just going to bow out.

Peace.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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#208
#208
VF21 said:
Isn't that just a rehash of the old "tanking" discussion? If we do it, what's to prevent the other crappy teams from doing it? And you still run the risk of NOT getting one of the best draft picks...
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Not a rehash -- its precisely how its done, every year, by many many teams. Its hwo the Wolves got Randy Foye this year. All of a sudden KG had to rest after 10 years of being one of the league;s great ironmen. No great secret to it. No scandal. Play the young guys, rest every available vet with any reason to rest. Then let nature take its course. And yes, all the other teams are already hard at it. The question would be are we going to be the fools not joining the party.
 
Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

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#209
#209
Bricklayer said:
Not a rehash -- its precisely how its done, every year, by many many teams. Its hwo the Wolves got Randy Foye this year. All of a sudden KG had to rest after 10 years of being one of the league;s great ironmen. No great secret to it. No scandal. Play the young guys, rest every available vet with any reason to rest. Then let nature take its course. And yes, all the other teams are already hard at it. The question would be are we going to be the fools not joining the party.
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it seems everybody gets it except for the kings mgmt team.. :D gooOOOOoooooo kings!!
 
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JB_kings

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#210
#210
It's not tanking if you want to evaluate the younger players who may or may not serve a role in your future. There are no playoffs this year for the Kings. Time to figure out what players need to stay and which will go.
 
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