It could also have been like "Wow, Ron, sounds like you'd better go take care of getting a new windshield for your car, not to mention patching things up at home. Take as much time off as you need." And then a stern-sounding statement for the press, to keep the PR from becoming much of a problem. I wouldn't read too much into it for now.
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I'm not sure where it was clarified but according to team spokesman, Artest is not being suspended but simply excused from the team without pay. The bad thing, from a PR perspective especially, is that headlines all over will say that Artest was removed from the team (as an article on ESPN already claims) which, given his history, will only lead to criticism regardless of his potential guilt.
I don't think its valid to use Artest's alleged involvement in this matter as evidence as to why he should have been traded. You are assuming that this issue will develop into a serious problem from the organization, which may not neccessarily be the case. And even given that assumption, you are arguing with hindsight after this event has occurred, which is obviously a luxury no GM had.
He isn't suspended. But can you imagine the media circus likely to accompany this news? And it will happen where ever the team goes. Neither Ron nor the team needs the added pressure and tension of that right now. The team, because they need to focus on playing basketball and Ron, because he needs to focus on his family and personal issues. Its really better for everyone to let things cool down a little and get some clarity, before making any rash decisions.
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We need more information.
It is my understanding that when a domestic violence call comes in, somebody has to go downtown. Is this correct? I know a guy that when his wife went crazy, almost literally, and cut herself by accident with a kitchen knife, he called the cops. They came, interviewed both of them, and told him that he would have gone to jail had he not called the police, and the disturbance had been reported by a neighbor. The police default is to haul off the man if something happens. I suppose that is appropriate. That said, there are a lot of disturbed women out there.
We need information.
It is my understanding that when a domestic violence call comes in, somebody has to go downtown. Is this correct? I know a guy that when his wife went crazy, almost literally, and cut herself by accident with a kitchen knife, he called the cops. They came, interviewed both of them, and told him that he would have gone to jail had he not called the police, and the disturbance had been reported by a neighbor. The police default is to haul off the man if something happens. I suppose that is appropriate. That said, there are a lot of disturbed women out there.
We need information.
Whats funny to me is how everyone is turning there backs on him. Not even knowing the full story yet. This is the same woman who got arrested for hitting him in the head sometime back. Not every woman is soft and will just take things. I think Artest has a wife whos from the same parts as him. She dont take sh*t and wants to be all up in your face. I can see them arguing and her trying to hold her own and being all over him. And him just trying to stop her from hitting/touching him. Resulting in her falling down. (he is a big man) As far as him trying to stop her from calling the cops. This is excatley why! Look at everyone turing there backs on him. "I knew it!" "Same ol Ron Ron" "The Ron experiment is definately a failure" not to mention what will happen to his Career. She wasnt so scared that she locked herself in the room. Hurting so bad she had to go to the hospital. She threw a pot threw his window as he was trying to leave the situation.
Am not saying that he deserve no blame what so ever. But like i said we dont know the full story. I dont know about you guys but i know alot of strong minded females who wont back down to a man. They will get up in there faces. People jump on the females side with out knowing the full story. I guess we will find out tomorrow. But its funny how easy people trun on someone. He has a track record but he hasnt been bad since he got here. For the Ron Artest experment being a failure. He did help take us to the playoff last year. He is the best def player we have on the time. Like him or not u cant argue that.
Am not saying that he deserve no blame what so ever. But like i said we dont know the full story. I dont know about you guys but i know alot of strong minded females who wont back down to a man. They will get up in there faces. People jump on the females side with out knowing the full story. I guess we will find out tomorrow. But its funny how easy people trun on someone. He has a track record but he hasnt been bad since he got here. For the Ron Artest experment being a failure. He did help take us to the playoff last year. He is the best def player we have on the time. Like him or not u cant argue that.
This is an awful statement. I would say it has been a success. This is one bad thing that happened and all of a sudden it is a failure. He has been the best player here for the past year and no matter what gives 110% every single night he is on the floor. Who else on the Kings can you say that about?
Ailene Voisin: Petrie, Maloofs have their worst fears realized
By Ailene Voisin - Bee Sports Columnist
Published 12:00 am PST Tuesday, March 6, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C4
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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs responded decisively and appropriately. They were neither enablers nor executioners. They uttered neither excuse nor indictment. They sent Ron Artest home for the immediate future, delivered a powerful message to the community, and then went in pursuit of further details -- and one has to assume -- and justice for all.
Artest. His wife. His teammates. His fans. His community. His league. Victims of domestic violence everywhere.
"We are concerned about Ron, but we're also concerned about the image of the team and the reputation of the people involved," a weary Petrie said, explaining Artest's indefinite ban.
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Was the Kings' basketball president angry? Of course.
Was he surprised? Of course not.
Why would he be surprised? The ticking had quieted, but never completely ceased. While Kings officials often referred to Artest as "high maintenance" in the 14 months since he was obtained from the Indiana Pacers, until the past several weeks, there were none of his previous on-court issues to report. The eighth-year veteran had even seemingly morphed into the average pampered NBA player -- inclined to complain about his coach, his touches and his teammates, along with the usual assortment of injuries and ailments.
If anything, Artest, whose NBA rap sheet includes a 73-game suspension that helped precipitate his trade for Peja Stojakovic, exceeded virtually everyone's expectations. For the most part, he not only comported himself like a professional, resisting opponents' nightly efforts to incite one of those familiar outbursts, he introduced Sacramento fans to defensive intensity, propelled the once-slumping 2005-06 Kings into the playoffs, and the past several weeks was healthy again and playing his best basketball of the season.
"I've said this to a lot of people," Petrie noted. "There have been no physical confrontations in practice. He has not been destructive. He has not destroyed anything in here, like thrown a TV, or anything that might indicate he was on the verge of going off."
Nonetheless, Kings officials have been uneasy since January, when one of Artest's dogs was rescued by Placer County officials. Suddenly, the small forward's domestic front -- an issue early in his career -- became of greater concern than his influence in an unsettled locker room. The anxiety was only heightened when Artest skipped a Feb. 25 game at Indiana, citing "family issues."
Did he in fact commit the crime, abuse his wife and prevent her from calling 911?
Professional athletes should be afforded the same protections as every other citizen. Innocent until proven guilty. Let the courts decide.
Yet by "excusing" Artest indefinitely -- a course of action that, in contrast to a suspension, probably precludes an immediate appeal by the National Basketball Players Association -- Petrie and the Maloofs responded to the severity of the matter and the sensitivity of the issue. Perhaps they were tacitly acknowledging the organization's ongoing relationship with WEAVE, the primary provider of domestic violence and sexual assault services in Sacramento County.
Petrie's wife, Anne-Marie, organized a fund-raiser for the nonprofit agency two years ago and remains a member of its board. And lest anyone forget, the family empire is presided over by matriarch Colleen Maloof. Indeed, the female voice resonates over at Arco.
So there are no winners here. This isn't a game. This is life. According to WEAVE executive director Beth Hassett, the California Attorney General's office receives 500 calls daily on domestic violence-related incidents. The Department of Justice estimates that 50 women are victimized hourly by a partner. And the children? What about all those pint-sized Kings fans who are subjected to terrifying episodes of abuse?
"If there is domestic violence in the home," Hassett said, "there is a 50 percent chance the kids are being abused as well. The stats on the number of kids who witness abuse is astounding."
Offered Petrie, cautioning against a rush to judgment, "I can't speculate. The official facts will come out. We'll have more to say as we go along."
By Ailene Voisin - Bee Sports Columnist
Published 12:00 am PST Tuesday, March 6, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C4
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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs responded decisively and appropriately. They were neither enablers nor executioners. They uttered neither excuse nor indictment. They sent Ron Artest home for the immediate future, delivered a powerful message to the community, and then went in pursuit of further details -- and one has to assume -- and justice for all.
Artest. His wife. His teammates. His fans. His community. His league. Victims of domestic violence everywhere.
"We are concerned about Ron, but we're also concerned about the image of the team and the reputation of the people involved," a weary Petrie said, explaining Artest's indefinite ban.
Was the Kings' basketball president angry? Of course.
Was he surprised? Of course not.
Why would he be surprised? The ticking had quieted, but never completely ceased. While Kings officials often referred to Artest as "high maintenance" in the 14 months since he was obtained from the Indiana Pacers, until the past several weeks, there were none of his previous on-court issues to report. The eighth-year veteran had even seemingly morphed into the average pampered NBA player -- inclined to complain about his coach, his touches and his teammates, along with the usual assortment of injuries and ailments.
If anything, Artest, whose NBA rap sheet includes a 73-game suspension that helped precipitate his trade for Peja Stojakovic, exceeded virtually everyone's expectations. For the most part, he not only comported himself like a professional, resisting opponents' nightly efforts to incite one of those familiar outbursts, he introduced Sacramento fans to defensive intensity, propelled the once-slumping 2005-06 Kings into the playoffs, and the past several weeks was healthy again and playing his best basketball of the season.
"I've said this to a lot of people," Petrie noted. "There have been no physical confrontations in practice. He has not been destructive. He has not destroyed anything in here, like thrown a TV, or anything that might indicate he was on the verge of going off."
Nonetheless, Kings officials have been uneasy since January, when one of Artest's dogs was rescued by Placer County officials. Suddenly, the small forward's domestic front -- an issue early in his career -- became of greater concern than his influence in an unsettled locker room. The anxiety was only heightened when Artest skipped a Feb. 25 game at Indiana, citing "family issues."
Did he in fact commit the crime, abuse his wife and prevent her from calling 911?
Professional athletes should be afforded the same protections as every other citizen. Innocent until proven guilty. Let the courts decide.
Yet by "excusing" Artest indefinitely -- a course of action that, in contrast to a suspension, probably precludes an immediate appeal by the National Basketball Players Association -- Petrie and the Maloofs responded to the severity of the matter and the sensitivity of the issue. Perhaps they were tacitly acknowledging the organization's ongoing relationship with WEAVE, the primary provider of domestic violence and sexual assault services in Sacramento County.
Petrie's wife, Anne-Marie, organized a fund-raiser for the nonprofit agency two years ago and remains a member of its board. And lest anyone forget, the family empire is presided over by matriarch Colleen Maloof. Indeed, the female voice resonates over at Arco.
So there are no winners here. This isn't a game. This is life. According to WEAVE executive director Beth Hassett, the California Attorney General's office receives 500 calls daily on domestic violence-related incidents. The Department of Justice estimates that 50 women are victimized hourly by a partner. And the children? What about all those pint-sized Kings fans who are subjected to terrifying episodes of abuse?
"If there is domestic violence in the home," Hassett said, "there is a 50 percent chance the kids are being abused as well. The stats on the number of kids who witness abuse is astounding."
Offered Petrie, cautioning against a rush to judgment, "I can't speculate. The official facts will come out. We'll have more to say as we go along."
Dang, sounds like he's as good as gone.
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Yeah, let's get the facts first then we can bury Artest.
I am going to wait to hear the whole story, if it even comes out. I have seen marraiges where things happen like this. I've seen a wife come flying at the husband, screaming, punching, nails and out of control. I've also seen the same woman pushed away when that happened and she got up and came right back asking for more. ( and got it.) Then she phones the cops and he gets arrested. Privatly, the D.A. will tell you that the first person to call the police in a domerstic disturbance wins.
I'm not defending domestic violence but everything is not always black and white. Let's see what really happened.
I am going to wait to hear the whole story, if it even comes out. I have seen marraiges where things happen like this. I've seen a wife come flying at the husband, screaming, punching, nails and out of control. I've also seen the same woman pushed away when that happened and she got up and came right back asking for more. ( and got it.) Then she phones the cops and he gets arrested. Privatly, the D.A. will tell you that the first person to call the police in a domerstic disturbance wins.
I'm not defending domestic violence but everything is not always black and white. Let's see what really happened.
I'm not going to resort to "I told you so" game, but you should go to pacersdigest. Plenty of "I told you so"s over there.
CWebb got scrutinized for smoking pot and his legal troubles, why would anyone here give one get free out of jail pass to Ron Ron? His past is the reason he will be guilty until proven innocent. Fortunate or unfortunate, unfortunately that is his problem and not mine, fans or Kings organization's problem. HE got him self in this mess.
I am really proud of how the front office handled this. They put community interest first and by excusing him from the team they are saying they will not tolerate their players behaving in such way.
CWebb got scrutinized for smoking pot and his legal troubles, why would anyone here give one get free out of jail pass to Ron Ron? His past is the reason he will be guilty until proven innocent. Fortunate or unfortunate, unfortunately that is his problem and not mine, fans or Kings organization's problem. HE got him self in this mess.
I am really proud of how the front office handled this. They put community interest first and by excusing him from the team they are saying they will not tolerate their players behaving in such way.
Great question, and I think the organization was just waiting for any kind of blow-up by Artest. Of course it happened, did anyone think it wouldn't?
I don't care what anyone says, this guy is a major distraction to the team and should be removed as soon as possible. Sure he helps the team when he is on, but with all of this "injuries", his "anger issues", his "past", his "present" will not get better in his "future".
I hear on the news so many people saying, let's give him another chance. Well, sorry but, how many chances does one person get before you say, this guy is hurting the team more than he is helping it. I can't imagine his team mates morale is the better for this.
Don't get me wrong, I actually think the Kings are going to win tonight.
Also, for all those waiting for the verdict, that's fine. Right now, this is the court of public opinion and our rules do not apply to the legal rules. Regardless if he is guilty or not, he is hurting the team. Besides, the police are not going to arrest someone unless they see visible abusive marks on the victim.
I don't care what anyone says, this guy is a major distraction to the team and should be removed as soon as possible. Sure he helps the team when he is on, but with all of this "injuries", his "anger issues", his "past", his "present" will not get better in his "future".
I hear on the news so many people saying, let's give him another chance. Well, sorry but, how many chances does one person get before you say, this guy is hurting the team more than he is helping it. I can't imagine his team mates morale is the better for this.
Don't get me wrong, I actually think the Kings are going to win tonight.
Also, for all those waiting for the verdict, that's fine. Right now, this is the court of public opinion and our rules do not apply to the legal rules. Regardless if he is guilty or not, he is hurting the team. Besides, the police are not going to arrest someone unless they see visible abusive marks on the victim.
Um, Your kidding right? Mr Artest has had several incidents this year.1. Ill Call this one an incident, Talking about taking a month off to promote his rap album 2. His dogs, 3. Injury gate(whether hes been faking or not, Not letting the coach know he supposedly cant go till minutes before game time. THis happened several times) 4. This.
THe above reasons is why the Orginization pulled the quick trigger on suspending him. The above incidents added up and they felt they needed to take the step to not let him near the team.
110%? Ron? Every player on this team "has mailed it in" in atleast several games this season.
P.S I was never on the lets get Artest bandwagon for the above reason. It was just a matter of time.
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1) No way in hell is Artest the angel in this situation. He was beyond wrong.
2) No way in hell his wife is an angel in this situation. People who throw frying pans and vases in and outside the house with 3 year olds present...yea...winner.
3) This is the 7th or 8th combined time between Indiana and California the cops have been called for a domestic violence at their home...with MORE then half of those...Ron calling 911.
4) She's been charged with hitting Ron already in the past...
5) Sad, but true, this is a common thing in the world of athletes. Jason Kidd, to Ruben Patterson, to a bunch of other people.
Point is...most likely, they're both plenty guilty of being stupid and reacting in the heat of the moment. That's no excuse however. You never should, EVER, hit another person like that. But, they're both plenty "different" to say the least.
2) No way in hell his wife is an angel in this situation. People who throw frying pans and vases in and outside the house with 3 year olds present...yea...winner.
3) This is the 7th or 8th combined time between Indiana and California the cops have been called for a domestic violence at their home...with MORE then half of those...Ron calling 911.
4) She's been charged with hitting Ron already in the past...
5) Sad, but true, this is a common thing in the world of athletes. Jason Kidd, to Ruben Patterson, to a bunch of other people.
Point is...most likely, they're both plenty guilty of being stupid and reacting in the heat of the moment. That's no excuse however. You never should, EVER, hit another person like that. But, they're both plenty "different" to say the least.
Many of people have commented on the Kings quick reaction to this situation, and I was surprised as well by the speed and severity of their action. When you compare this to Kobe Bryant who was attending his rape trial and then jetting off to hit the court two hours later, the organization is obviously taking a severe stance.
Obviously a big part of it is a public statement that domestic violence is not acceptable, and I applaud that. Too often players are given a "pass" because they are famous, and I think it's time that someone stands up & holds the players for being accountable off the court as well as on.
I think the other factor that many have alluded to is that this is RON we're talking about. While last season Ron's on and off court behavior pointed to him completely turning over a new leaf, this season there have been several, though minor, indications that the ticking is getting louder. If we can hear it, you know it's that much louder in the lockerroom.
So would the team have reacted as quickly and decisively if it was KMart that was arrested? Possibly. Or possibly it would have seemed so far out of character for him that he would have been given more benefit of the doubt.
Obviously a big part of it is a public statement that domestic violence is not acceptable, and I applaud that. Too often players are given a "pass" because they are famous, and I think it's time that someone stands up & holds the players for being accountable off the court as well as on.
I think the other factor that many have alluded to is that this is RON we're talking about. While last season Ron's on and off court behavior pointed to him completely turning over a new leaf, this season there have been several, though minor, indications that the ticking is getting louder. If we can hear it, you know it's that much louder in the lockerroom.
So would the team have reacted as quickly and decisively if it was KMart that was arrested? Possibly. Or possibly it would have seemed so far out of character for him that he would have been given more benefit of the doubt.
If convicted I don't want the guy back... We will be fine w/o him, plus if his contract is voided he will be just like an expiring contract! It's time for the Kings to move on.
Heck, and if Bibby leaves after this year than we will have a lot of money to sign players.
We would have a 33 million payroll if Bibby and Artest were gone....
Heck, and if Bibby leaves after this year than we will have a lot of money to sign players.
We would have a 33 million payroll if Bibby and Artest were gone....
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I agree with BonziFan he's been the MVP of the kings this year despites having knee problem
I believe him when he's talking about his injury because it's obvious that he's not moving the same way especially on defense.
He's slower than last year, just look at his lateral moving.
It's not the same Ron unfortunately but he's BY FAR the best defender of the team, and he's leading the NBA in steal/game.
I really appreciate Kevin but :
Ron 19pts / kevin 21pts ( not talking about rebounds steals and assists)
same FG% and Ron draws more attention by the opponents than Kevin (until now at least) AND Kmart don't really bust his *** on defense you know...
So you can't say Kevin is better than Ron right now...
Do i have to remember you that he did a lot to help the team weakness ! Focusing on the rebound, helping out his teammates on D, take less forced shots...
He's been really nice for sacramento.
Who be kidding ??
1. give me the source please, i don't remember him seriously asking a month off to promote his album as a Kings player.
2. His dogs ? As VF21 pointed out, the problem with his dog occured when he was on the road playing bball ; he hired a dogsitter who wasn't doing a great job. Ok he was still responsible but come on is that a serious incident ?
3. already answered
4. This ? What do you mean actually ? You must know the whole thing very well, it's official he's guilty ?
Stop being that hard on Ron who i repeat have been really a good thing for the sacramento Kings
I believe him when he's talking about his injury because it's obvious that he's not moving the same way especially on defense.
He's slower than last year, just look at his lateral moving.
It's not the same Ron unfortunately but he's BY FAR the best defender of the team, and he's leading the NBA in steal/game.
I really appreciate Kevin but :
Ron 19pts / kevin 21pts ( not talking about rebounds steals and assists)
same FG% and Ron draws more attention by the opponents than Kevin (until now at least) AND Kmart don't really bust his *** on defense you know...
So you can't say Kevin is better than Ron right now...
Do i have to remember you that he did a lot to help the team weakness ! Focusing on the rebound, helping out his teammates on D, take less forced shots...
He's been really nice for sacramento.
Who be kidding ??
1. give me the source please, i don't remember him seriously asking a month off to promote his album as a Kings player.
2. His dogs ? As VF21 pointed out, the problem with his dog occured when he was on the road playing bball ; he hired a dogsitter who wasn't doing a great job. Ok he was still responsible but come on is that a serious incident ?
3. already answered
4. This ? What do you mean actually ? You must know the whole thing very well, it's official he's guilty ?
Stop being that hard on Ron who i repeat have been really a good thing for the sacramento Kings
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The real tragedy here is not what will happen to the Kings, but the fact that there are children caught in the middle in this. With a history of some issues between these two, those kids have been in this mess for a long time. Who knows how much damage its caused beyond the visible.
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