Grades v. Bobcats 02/28

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Bricklayer

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Tonight's theme: Absolute Must See Museums

Salmons ( B+ ) -- burst of hustle and fullcourt drives got us the lead in the first quarter after a slow start. And while he was very much the afterthought therafter with kevin and Mike putting on the show, he generally kept up. One area where he did not costs him a half grade: no luck whatsoever trying to slow down Gerald Wallace. I am reminded of how Bonzi outsaavied Gerald last year with physicality, and perhaps John is just too thin/finesse. Or perhaps Gerald just continues to grow. In any case a good Salmons night of 15 5 and 5 offset somewhat by the 31 9 and 6 of his counterpart (note that the Bobcats had Gerald at "PF" for stretches, and then John often had Matt Carrol, or Derek anderson, and those guys scored far too easily as well.

#1 -- THE BAKED BEAN MUSEUM OF EXCELLENCE (comes complete with its own Baked Bean superhero) -- Wales, UK, http://www.geocities.com/capnbeany/museum.html

Thomas ( C- ) -- in a game in which even Don Nelson would have been embarrassed at the "defense" being played by either side, Kenny still could not score. And maybe the rec league feel of this one just didn't mesh well with Kenny's more meat and potatoes game. In any case, did not really hurt us, but one of the few competent pros unable to get anything going in this affair.

#2 -- THE BUNNY MUSEUM-- Pasadena, CA, http://www.thebunnymuseum.com/

Miller ( B- ) -- he and Brezec were having an all ugly slow-off in the first quarter, yet both bigs were scoring fairly easily with their counterpart a good 15 feet away on most shots. Had a spate of turnovers in the third, normally following otherwise good plays (rebounds and then losing it etc.). Was still responsible for 3-4 of Kevin's hoops though with passes on cuts, and set several wide picks allowing Bibby to chuck up those ridiculously long threes in the late 4th. Tossed in a three in the last three minutes just to join the party. Complete lack of defense again, but in this game he was just part of the no defense party, and so maybe it does not knock the grade as far as it otherwise might.

#3 -- PHILLIP ROBINSON FRUIT JAR MUSEUM -- Muncie, IN, http://www.museumsusa.org/museums/info/1166874 (don't think they have a real website -- shocker

Martin ( A ) -- this one started in fairly unremarkable fashion for Kevin -- was off to the good scoring start again in al the normal ways, but wasn't doing much else and it wasn't clear whether it was going to be an impact game, or jsut one of those run up and down scoring while everybody else does too affairs. Well, turned out to be of the impact variety, and was very much along the lines of what happened in Indiana, albeit perhaps wiht Miek and Kevin switching roles. Kevin the guy who scored all game and had the big third, Mike the guy who sucked in the first half and then exploded after the break. In any case, these were not all easy looks for Kevin either -- scored on some tough takes, although part fo that was simply because the Bobcats do not have a single guard on their roster in the right range to matchup with Kevin (with the possibel exception of Gerald, who was pressed into a lot of frontcourt duty tonight with Okafor out). He was checked by 6'4" and decrepit Derek Anderson, 6'5" unathletic Matt Carrol, 6'1" Raymond Felton, 5'11" Brevin Knight...and just went right over and around all of them. A bit of cruel irony in that on a near career night some of his thunder was stolen by maybe evena more impressive ngiht from Wallace, and then a silly late shooting display by Mike. Actually maybe nto so ironic in that numbers will get put up in a game played like this (much pace, no defense). But in any case Kevin was still the best player on the better team tonight, and the competition for player of the game does little more than knock off a potential plus from this grade.

#4 -- MUSEUM OF BAD ART-- Dedham, MA, http://www.museumofbadart.org/
 
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Bricklayer

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Bibby ( A- ) -- slow start and gave us little in the first half. But came alive in a big way in the third on a gimme layup and a couple of long threes, and combined with Kevin to score 28 of our 34 3rd quarter points. Very Indianesque and compeltely in the face of our normal 3rd quarter doldrums. Adn then jsut got plain silly down the stretch, basically winning the game for us with a ridiculous three point barrage down the stretch. I mean, these shots were...well truth be told pretty damn stupid, and if he had missed them he mgiht not have made it out of the parking lot. But he wasn't going to miss them, or anything there, at one point hitting 7-8 shots in a row and just chucking up 30 footers. And when you make a bunch of 30 footers it becomes "wow" rather than "idiot", particularly when it holds of and finishes the other team down the stretch. Despite the streak, gong to tack on the "-" here to differentiate him form Kevin a bit -- Keivn was the engine for most of the game, Mike just went out of his head for a streak, but did not play as complete a game. Nonetheless, the way the Cats were hanging around, and the way Gerald in particular was playing, if Mike doesn't pull his hero act, its not inconceivable we lose this one despite Kevin's points, so this performance should not be discounted too much.

#5 - TRASH MUSEUM -- Hartford, CT, http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tips/getAttraction.php3?tip_AttractionNo==1568 (I am sincerely disappointed this one lacks a website too -- maybe have to take a little drive this weekend -- hey hon, want to catch a museum this weekend?


Garcia ( B ) -- good hustle off the bench in the first half and hit a couple of threes in the 4th to help us hold off the pesky Cats. Big numebrs for a Cisco game, and was a good game for him. But also clearly overshadowed by the Mike/Kvin fireworks, and probably a bit inflated by the pace/lack of defense being played tonight, so going to settle at B rather than have rampant grade inflation take root just because the game was loosey goosey.

#6 - THE ICELANDIC PHALLOLOGICAL MUSEUM -- Husavik, Iceland, http://www.phallus.is/ (yep --I kid you not)

Reef ( C ) -- ok off the bench in the first half in limited minutes, but was ragged and ineffective in the second half, and I think a bit lost in the up and down scrambling game and backcourt centric attack.

#7 - SQUISHED PENNY MUSEUM, Washington D.C., http://www.squished.com/homenew/index.html -- maybe the fate of all pennies if current congressional efforts continue

Price ( B- ) -- good hustle off the bench in the first half, and hit a three for us. Not much in his second stint however, although he did come up with a near miss on the 3rd quarter buzzer beating 3/4 court three. With Mike and Kevin both practically having flames shooting out of their fingertips, late minutes were just not there for him.

#8 - THE INTERNATIONAL BANANNA MUSEUM, Altadena, CA -- http://www.bananaclub.com/ (he's wearing my suit! You can catch it on a two for one while you are checking out the nearby Bunny Museum, see #2)
 
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Bricklayer

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Corliss ( B ) -- provided a strong scoring boost in the second quarter, and was a major part of the reason we managed to maintain our lead. Was being guarded by Walter Herriman for much of the quarter, which is just...its like Mikael Gelabale trying to check Kevin in Seattle. Missed a pack of FTs in his second stint and wasn't much of a factor with the backcourts doing most of the work. did try to mscle up on Gerald a fw times on either end of the floor.

#9 - THE VACUUM CLEANER MUSEUM -- North Canton, OH, http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tips/getAttraction.php3?tip_AttractionNo==1003 (another one without a website, probably becuase they figure a Vacuum Cleaner Museum pretty much sells itself)

Douby ( INC ) -- a minute of garbagetime

#10 - OLD HOMESTEAD HOUSE MUSEUM -- Cripple Creek, CO, http://www.cripple-creek.co.us/homestead.htm (so Old Homestead House, doesn't sound so bad, right? Note: Its a brothel. A Brothel Museum. But note that kids under 10 get in free! Was not even the only one of its kind until this fall, when tragically the Dumas Brothel Museum in Butte Montana had to close its doors.

Williams ( INC ) -- a minute of garbagetime

#11 - LOU'S LIVING DOUGHNUT MUSEUM -- San Jose, CA, no link (and here I may have to report a tragedy, since I read an unconfirmed report that Lou's may have had to shut down! A doughnut museum and it goes out of business? BOO!)

Muss ( ) -- this is almost tough because we hit EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING. We shot 63% int his one, and its not all or even mostly because Muss suddenly learned how to coach offense. Ont he other hand, we gave up 120pts on 55% shooting back the other way. In the face of such ridiculousness, rating a coaching performance pales. This was a summer league game. All small ball and score score score. Just throw your guys out there and run. Thought our longer all 6'7" lineup (with Price) worked well this game in the seocnd quarter -- but it was because the game was made for it more than anything different being done. Playing Kevin all the way was a tad excessive -- especially having him still in there with under a minute to go. Somebody should send Muss a tape of Livingston and note that playign ball has risks, and ther just is no point in running up unnecessary minutes on guys.

Geoff ( F, F-, F-- ) -- this started as a grade for Gerald, but changed my mind -- at this late date I would again like to reiterate that we lost Gerald Wallace because of Anthony Peeler. Anthony Peeler. Sometimes its the little things that turn franchises. And sometimes its the big, stupid things.

#12 - ENCHANTED WORLD DOLL MUSEUM -- Mitchell, SD, http://www.searchmitchell.com/members/enchantedworlddollmuseum (I took this one as a suggestion, but I dunno -- looks like it could almost be kinda fun for the kiddies. What the heck is it doing out in the middle of South Dakota though??)
 
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How is it that I grew up in Pasadena/Altadena but have heard of neither The Bunny Museum nor The International Banana Museum? That's very sad.
 
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Im gonna get off topic again as i tend to do, but i noticed brick has been here since 2000, apparently this forum had been around for some time, i cant imagine how exciting this place was during the glory days.
 
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#12 - ENCHANTED WORLD DOLL MUSEUM -- Mitchell, SD, http://www.searchmitchell.com/members/enchantedworlddollmuseum (I took this one as a suggestion, but I dunno -- looks like it could almost be kinda fun for the kiddies. What the heck is it doing out in the middle of South Dakota though??)

It is not, under any circumstances, fun for the kiddies.

The very fact that it's in Mitchell, SD, across the street from the Corn Palace, is scary enough... but the entire museum is filled with nothing but various dioramas and themed collections of dolls that make no sense whatsoever. Scale is all screwed up, some of the dolls are falling apart, and there are far too many little old ladies bustling about and taking everything way too seriously. I distinctly remember one display that had a two inch tall little old lady rocking a 6 inch tall baby in a half-broken tiny cradle in church and being watched by a nun hooked to a motor so that she was continuously cartwheeling.

There was also a special display depicting the manner in which dolls can deteriorate and gave tips for proper storage. They had several copies of the same doll in various stages of decay -- the last of which was a frighteningly realistic infant that had turned green and it's "skin" was flaking off and glass eye was falling out.

Scared me to my very core... but was fascinating. I think I shot about three rolls of film in there despite the fact I was about to be chased out.
 
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Bricklayer

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Im gonna get off topic again as i tend to do, but i noticed brick has been here since 2000, apparently this forum had been around for some time, i cant imagine how exciting this place was during the glory days.
It was well established before I showed up. Been around since...'97? Earlier?> Anyway, think its been around in one form or another since the early days of the net. Jeremy is our resident elder/old man historian type. Ask him about the good 'ole days sometime. ;)
 
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It is not, under any circumstances, fun for the kiddies.

The very fact that it's in Mitchell, SD, across the street from the Corn Palace, is scary enough... but the entire museum is filled with nothing but various dioramas and themed collections of dolls that make no sense whatsoever. Scale is all screwed up, some of the dolls are falling apart, and there are far too many little old ladies bustling about and taking everything way too seriously. I distinctly remember one display that had a two inch tall little old lady rocking a 6 inch tall baby in a half-broken tiny cradle in church and being watched by a nun hooked to a motor so that she was continuously cartwheeling.

There was also a special display depicting the manner in which dolls can deteriorate and gave tips for proper storage. They had several copies of the same doll in various stages of decay -- the last of which was a frighteningly realistic infant that had turned green and it's "skin" was flaking off and glass eye was falling out.

Scared me to my very core... but was fascinating. I think I shot about three rolls of film in there despite the fact I was about to be chased out.
This description had me ROTFL! Not for the kids, but what a hoot! :D
 
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Geoff ( F, F-, F-- ) -- this started as a grade for Gerald, but changed my mind -- at this late date I would again like to reiterate that we lost Gerald Wallace because of Anthony Peeler. Anthony Peeler. Sometimes its the little things that turn franchises. And sometimes its the big, stupid things.
i thought we left wallace unprotected on purpose since we weren't developing him.. i'm glad he got to show what hes worth. the kid can play.
 

Bricklayer

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i thought we left wallace unprotected on purpose since we weren't developing him.. i'm glad he got to show what hes worth. the kid can play.
Situation was you could protect up to 8 guys, but every team HAD to expose at least one player. We had our core 6 (Webb, Peja, Mike, Brad, Doug, Bobby) to protect, Darius came on to be #7, and that left one spot that could have been protected. Should have been Gerald. Unfortunately Vlade was a FA, as were Massenburg, Buford, Jabari. So that left Peeler and Gerald. If we had prepared properly, Peeler is on a two year contract, and we simply expose him in the draft while protecting Gerald as our 8th protected spot. We did not prepare properly, and instead left Peeler with a player option on the second year. He opted out, thus we could not expose him in the draft, and thus we had to expose one of our other guys. That guy became Gerald (and hindsight being what it is you would actually say that he should have been right up there near the top of the guys protected).

It was ****ty planning by the front office. Even if Gerald had had a great year, Peeler's opt out meant we could not protect him....or rather that we would have had to expose somebody else, whether it be Darius, Webb, Doug, whomever. Every team knew the expansion draft was coming and knew the rules it would be operating under, and should have taken steps. We did not, and gave what should have been our bait an opt out clause. Last three things Peeler did for us was punch KG, thus getting tossed from Game 7 and helping end an era for us, opting out of his contract thus forcing the exposure and loss of Gerald, and then leaving of course as a FA to play one more year before retiring.
 
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Im gonna get off topic again as i tend to do, but i noticed brick has been here since 2000, apparently this forum had been around for some time, i cant imagine how exciting this place was during the glory days.
Old timers have been around for quite some time :) You will also notice a lot of us with September 2004 as a join date. That's because there was a big crash of summer of 2004 and board had to be started from scratch. So most September 2004 folks have been around longer than that too.
 
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Old timers have been around for quite some time :) You will also notice a lot of us with September 2004 as a join date. That's because there was a big crash of summer of 2004 and board had to be started from scratch. So most September 2004 folks have been around longer than that too.
*handraise*

Glory years...

J@UCSD/Jsin
Glenn
Laker flamers
KingsFans vs. Kingstalk basketball games (which I might add we went 3-0 in)

This board was a way of life right around a certain 7 game conference finals series. The most emotional I have ever been about this team...

*cough* but still a lurker :p
 
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I was at the game so excuse the lack of replays, stats, and commentary that I may have missed. But it seemed that Corliss had a terrible game. Why at one stretch (3rd Q?) did they feel the need to try and pass it to him all the time in the post? Then he would just turn it over. Finally they took him out for Salmans so that threat was ended.

Also the people sitting around me kept saying that Kevin is a ball hog. I have never once thought that about Kevin. If anything he needs the ball more not less and take more shots. Anyone else?

Shouldn't it be illegal to wear shoulder pads in the NBA (Wallace)? Isn't that an unfair advantage?
 
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Situation was you could protect up to 8 guys, but every team HAD to expose at least one player. We had our core 6 (Webb, Peja, Mike, Brad, Doug, Bobby) to protect, Darius came on to be #7, and that left one spot that could have been protected. Should have been Gerald. Unfortunately Vlade was a FA, as were Massenburg, Buford, Jabari. So that left Peeler and Gerald. If we had prepared properly, Peeler is on a two year contract, and we simply expose him in the draft while protecting Gerald as our 8th protected spot. We did not prepare properly, and instead left Peeler with a player option on the second year. He opted out, thus we could not expose him in the draft, and thus we had to expose one of our other guys. That guy became Gerald (and hindsight being what it is you would actually say that he should have been right up there near the top of the guys protected).

It was ****ty planning by the front office. Even if Gerald had had a great year, Peeler's opt out meant we could not protect him....or rather that we would have had to expose somebody else, whether it be Darius, Webb, Doug, whomever. Every team knew the expansion draft was coming and knew the rules it would be operating under, and should have taken steps. We did not, and gave what should have been our bait an opt out clause. Last three things Peeler did for us was punch KG, thus getting tossed from Game 7 and helping end an era for us, opting out of his contract thus forcing the exposure and loss of Gerald, and then leaving of course as a FA to play one more year before retiring.
And.......... of course there is the counterargument that Peeler was brought in to be a sixth man type guy while the Kings were still (hopefully) competing for a championship and that it was preferable to get the best guy they could that year -- had Peeler not elbowed KG and got himself suspended it may well have been a trip to the WCF that year, which was the last year the Kings really had a shot at doing anything special. It made sense at the time to go for broke and go for a shot at a championship rather than worrying about a guy who would only have been relevant three or four years down the line. And then there's of course the fact that Wallace would never really have gotten much time backing up Peja and Christie until maybe last year, and he needed the playing time in Charlotte to thrive.

Besides, if Bibby opts out or if there's a S&T we can sign him in the offseason. I sure like the idea of Martin and Wallace running the wings.

But anyway, these grade threads are getting pretty incredible.
 
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T'was nice to see Bibby to the crab-walk in the 4th when he caught fire. It has been quite a while... :)

And what was the deal with Corliss taking the freethrow on the technical?!

(was at the game, so didn't hear what the announcers may have said about either of these things)
 
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How did San Francisco miss out on the Icelandic penis museum? With those long winters, I think they probably have too much time on their hands. It may also be the in-breeding. They have apparently isolated the dreaded "penis envy gene" that we have read so much about.

I guess the East Coast winter must be getting to some of us.
 
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It was ****ty planning by the front office. Even if Gerald had had a great year, Peeler's opt out meant we could not protect him....or rather that we would have had to expose somebody else, whether it be Darius, Webb, Doug, whomever.
Probably. Another possibility is that the front office realized that he shall not see much action as part of that team, and decided to expose him. I think, everyone knew that he shall be picked up. In fact, I recall reading a statement by Bobcats' GM, that they had really targeted GW, since they felt he had the potential to be a star (how true). So, the front office was definitely aware of it. They went along any way as a favour to him (similar to the Darius situation last year in some ways. We could have kept him under contract for a low offer, and then traded him for future considerations. However, Petrie rescinded the qualifying offer, allowing him to become a free agent, and get more money from elsewhere).

It can be argued that the front office has a bigger responsibility to the fans and the franchise than individual players, and he should have been retained with an eye on the future, whether he was getting playing time or not (sadly, we soon traded some other guys that we had protected, e.g. Doug, so he would have seen PT here too). I don't think though, that we lost him since the front office had not planned properly.

Out of curiosity, is it possible to sign a free agent (say from NBDL) to a two year contract towards the end of the season, and then expose him to the expansion draft? If allowed by the league, this could be one cheap method of protecting your players, and lowballing the new franchise.
 
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