Grades v. Clippers 11/28
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A 24 ppg scorer comes into a game and shoots 12.5% from the floor, gets no rebounds, no assists, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls in his time. The only way he could've played worse, by any standard, is if he missed the lone field goal he made.
That's an F performance by any benchmark, but personally, I'm more interested in seeing how Kevin bounces back from this performance.
That's an F performance by any benchmark, but personally, I'm more interested in seeing how Kevin bounces back from this performance.
Okay, I'll accept your critique. However, it is interesting that you went to find new reasons to support your view rather than answer what I specified in my post (1. Your comparison of tos to other stats and 2. Kevin's seat on the bench). Also, Martin could have played better than an "F" if he had time to adjust during the game... Wait a second, hmm it looks like you actually agree with me. You just said yourself that Kevin "very much mattered, lots of hype, lots of attention", and hey what do you know I said:
If Martin "mattered" in the game than I guess you have high expectations for him. I'll accept that he played an "F" game tonight, and you accept that he got the "F" because you expect a lot out of him like I said. If it was Ronnie Price who had this game we wouldn't give him an "F" because we don't expect him to have a 20+ point game. I don't understand why you argued against my first post anyway if you were going agree with that post later while stating your view.
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If Martin "mattered" in the game than I guess you have high expectations for him. I'll accept that he played an "F" game tonight, and you accept that he got the "F" because you expect a lot out of him like I said. If it was Ronnie Price who had this game we wouldn't give him an "F" because we don't expect him to have a 20+ point game. I don't understand why you argued against my first post anyway if you were going agree with that post later while stating your view.
no need to make a big stink about his grade. he'll probably bounce back in convincing fashion in the next one, if his resilience is any indication.
Okay, I'll accept your critique. However, it is interesting that you went to find new reasons to support your view rather than answer what I specified in my post (1. Your comparison of tos to other stats and 2. Kevin's seat on the bench). Also, Martin could have played better than an "F" if he had time to adjust during the game... Wait a second, hmm it looks like you actually agree with me. You just said yourself that Kevin "very much mattered, lots of hype, lots of attention", and hey what do you know I said:
If Martin "mattered" in the game than I guess you have high expectations for him. I'll accept that he played an "F" game tonight, and you accept that he got the "F" because you expect a lot out of him like I said. If it was Ronnie Price who had this game we wouldn't give him an "F" because we don't expect him to have a 20+ point game. I don't understand why you argued against my first post anyway if you were going agree with that post later while stating your view.
If Martin "mattered" in the game than I guess you have high expectations for him. I'll accept that he played an "F" game tonight, and you accept that he got the "F" because you expect a lot out of him like I said. If it was Ronnie Price who had this game we wouldn't give him an "F" because we don't expect him to have a 20+ point game. I don't understand why you argued against my first post anyway if you were going agree with that post later while stating your view.
No, you still don't get it. And I fear you won't get it because you have an active rooting interest here.
Ronnie Price gets an F too. Ron Artest gets an F. Actually an F- because he is an established star. NOBODY gets to start a game, score 2pts grab 0rebs 0ast have 3Tos shoot 1-8 and get benched for incompetence without garnering an F. I have higher expectations of that for my cat. Actually I don't have a cat, but the point stands. Expectations matter in these grades. Not however when you just flat stink up the joint.
Might as well just accept it -- Kevin sucked tonight. A well earned F, as in "flunked". He sucked for a starter, sucked for a star, sucked even for a scrub. He sucked. Deal with it already, because this is silly. If that wasn't an F, he cannot earn an F. And that, IMHO is the larger issue here. For some he cannot apparently.
No sacred cows.
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Yeah, Kevin had a bad game. It happens. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. He'll be fine.
Oh, and 2 of the 3 turnovers were on drives to the basket where he got called for offensive fouls. Often questionable calls. But they came because he was doing the "if your shots not falling, try to get to the hoop and get some free throws." If they were 3 mindless turnovers by just losing the ball, I'd give them more weight.
He wanted to stay in the game and work through it, but I understand the coach saying "we have a game to win here, just let it go for today."
Oh, and 2 of the 3 turnovers were on drives to the basket where he got called for offensive fouls. Often questionable calls. But they came because he was doing the "if your shots not falling, try to get to the hoop and get some free throws." If they were 3 mindless turnovers by just losing the ball, I'd give them more weight.
He wanted to stay in the game and work through it, but I understand the coach saying "we have a game to win here, just let it go for today."
K9 deserves better: B to B+. He lead the team in rebounds (again) despite only 29 minutes, no turnovers, 4-6 shooting and only one missed lay-up ( ).
This is K9's job....hustle, get rebounds, set-picks, do not turn ball-over and only take percentage shots. He did his job well last night.
).This is K9's job....hustle, get rebounds, set-picks, do not turn ball-over and only take percentage shots. He did his job well last night.
K9 deserves better: B to B+. He lead the team in rebounds (again) despite only 29 minutes, no turnovers, 4-6 shooting and only one missed lay-up ( ).
This is K9's job....hustle, get rebounds, set-picks, do not turn ball-over and only take percentage shots. He did his job well last night.
).This is K9's job....hustle, get rebounds, set-picks, do not turn ball-over and only take percentage shots. He did his job well last night.
You cant really put all the blame on Kenny for Brand's rediculous rebounding night. Maybe SAR coulda helped a bit more on the glass (or is more then 2 rebounds too much to ask from your starting "center").
And Brand only shot 26%...Thats not exactly manhandling Kenny, or anyone else who was guarding him that night.
And Brand only shot 26%...Thats not exactly manhandling Kenny, or anyone else who was guarding him that night.
You can't win Kup............ The ESPN generation! If your not putting up 30 points or doing a 360 dunk your not playing well. It is impossible to get people to understand there are several aspects to the game that do not show up in the box score. I didn't get a chance to see the game but I find it hard to believe Brand got all his rebounds on KT all the while KT only played 29 minutes. If Kt pulled down 9 reb and Elton 18!!!!!! there are not even enough shots in 29 minutes of basketball! even cut it Brands number in half Brand=9 and KT=9 still not enough shots in 29 minutes assuming either guy got every rebound to be had!
Talk about blind homerism for a certain player.
I rest my case.
Nothing in my post gave any indication I watched the game! No where in the post did I comment on KT's play in the game! Only presented numbers and asked the question how, it doesn't make sense how Brand had a monster night on the boards with KT on him. No one told you to present a case or rest it. Rule number 9, practice what you preach!
Ok, I didnt see the other post.
Its just that all the KT bashing is getting old. People (I'm not gonna name names - the list would be too long) rag on him even when he has a good night ("he'll suck tomorrow", etc etc.).
And I love it how a lot of the same people who complain about our lack of rebounding also want to see our teams leading rebounder (Kenny) traded.
We have a lot more frontcourt issues then Kenny. We have an injured C who plays like a PG (well, thats kinda a good and a bad thing) and has no reliable backup (unless you count Corliss), an undersized PF, and a passive PF. A lot of people seem to feel that if we got rid of Kenny we'd be a far better team...And I dont think thats the case.
ANYWAYS....I'm not directing this whole post at you nbrans, just that first response to your quote. This was more of a rant directed at KT haters in general.
Funniest thing about me being a KT apologist is I'm not even gonna miss the guy when he's gone. He's short, pouty, and sometimes he could put in a little more effort. I just get really sick of the scapegoating.
Then again I'm the same way with my occasional outbursts of hating on Petrie...I guess scapegoating is just part of being a sports fan
Its just that all the KT bashing is getting old. People (I'm not gonna name names - the list would be too long) rag on him even when he has a good night ("he'll suck tomorrow", etc etc.).
And I love it how a lot of the same people who complain about our lack of rebounding also want to see our teams leading rebounder (Kenny) traded.
We have a lot more frontcourt issues then Kenny. We have an injured C who plays like a PG (well, thats kinda a good and a bad thing) and has no reliable backup (unless you count Corliss), an undersized PF, and a passive PF. A lot of people seem to feel that if we got rid of Kenny we'd be a far better team...And I dont think thats the case.
ANYWAYS....I'm not directing this whole post at you nbrans, just that first response to your quote. This was more of a rant directed at KT haters in general.
Funniest thing about me being a KT apologist is I'm not even gonna miss the guy when he's gone. He's short, pouty, and sometimes he could put in a little more effort. I just get really sick of the scapegoating.
Then again I'm the same way with my occasional outbursts of hating on Petrie...I guess scapegoating is just part of being a sports fan
Ok, I didnt see the other post.
Its just that all the KT bashing is getting old. People (I'm not gonna name names - the list would be too long) rag on him even when he has a good night ("he'll suck tomorrow", etc etc.).
And I love it how a lot of the same people who complain about our lack of rebounding also want to see our teams leading rebounder (Kenny) traded.
We have a lot more frontcourt issues then Kenny. We have an injured C who plays like a PG (well, thats kinda a good and a bad thing) and has no reliable backup (unless you count Corliss), an undersized PF, and a passive PF. A lot of people seem to feel that if we got rid of Kenny we'd be a far better team...And I dont think thats the case.
ANYWAYS....I'm not directing this whole post at you nbrans, just that first response to your quote. This was more of a rant directed at KT haters in general.
Funniest thing about me being a KT apologist is I'm not even gonna miss the guy when he's gone. He's short, pouty, and sometimes he could put in a little more effort. I just get really sick of the scapegoating.
Then again I'm the same way with my occasional outbursts of hating on Petrie...I guess scapegoating is just part of being a sports fan
Its just that all the KT bashing is getting old. People (I'm not gonna name names - the list would be too long) rag on him even when he has a good night ("he'll suck tomorrow", etc etc.).
And I love it how a lot of the same people who complain about our lack of rebounding also want to see our teams leading rebounder (Kenny) traded.
We have a lot more frontcourt issues then Kenny. We have an injured C who plays like a PG (well, thats kinda a good and a bad thing) and has no reliable backup (unless you count Corliss), an undersized PF, and a passive PF. A lot of people seem to feel that if we got rid of Kenny we'd be a far better team...And I dont think thats the case.
ANYWAYS....I'm not directing this whole post at you nbrans, just that first response to your quote. This was more of a rant directed at KT haters in general.
Funniest thing about me being a KT apologist is I'm not even gonna miss the guy when he's gone. He's short, pouty, and sometimes he could put in a little more effort. I just get really sick of the scapegoating.
Then again I'm the same way with my occasional outbursts of hating on Petrie...I guess scapegoating is just part of being a sports fan
all of those issues need to be addressed at some point, and trading kenny thomas won't solve those issues unless kevin garnett comes the kings way in a trade. however, keeping kenny thomas does nothing to better the situation, either, so what we're looking at is twofold: keeping a mediocre front court with serious defensive deficiencies, or overhauling the whole friggin' thing, which means that neither kenny thomas or shareef abdur rahim are the starting PF/C, because neither is capable of providing the things that the kings lack. the kings front office is either gonna get serious about improving these frontcourt issues or they're not. i'm thinking they won't anytime soon, because the trend around here lately has not leaned towards risk-taking in order to receive reward. we've instead chosen mediocrity, which is cool if you want to be a middling team in the western conference for years to come, neither winning anything of note nor falling into the lottery. however, nothing comes of that kind of stagnation.
kenny thomas is hardly worth all the bitching that seems to surround him around here. he's a temporary solution to a much bigger problem. the kings don't have any answers to start in his place, so i don't know what people expect. "kenny apologists" need to stop touting him like he's the second-coming of bill russel, and "kenny haters" need to stop complaining about his deficiencies, which are many, but which are also irrepairable. he's not gonna sprout to 7 feet overnight. he's not gonna suddenly hit 90% of his free throws. he's not gonna become a dominant force in the paint, offensively or defensively. the guy's a mediocre tweener forward on a mediocre team full of tweeners...and that's that.
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Since no team has all-stars at every position, I think we'll have to learn to play without all-stars at the 4-5 spot. Our bigs just have to be good and at times, they are good.
K9, when he hustles, he's good. When he doesn't, he's awful. We just need to get the maximum number of good games from him. He's never going to be an all-star.
Same with Brad and Shareef.
Our bigs might not consistently stop Duncan, but they did manage to control KG. Elton Brand is an all-star, but we got by the Clips anyway.
It's possible to win with these guys. We just need Mike Bibby to start shooting well again now that his hand is better. Artest is an all-star quality player. K-Mart could be someday.
I'm actually quite hopeful about this team despite our front court weaknesses.
K9, when he hustles, he's good. When he doesn't, he's awful. We just need to get the maximum number of good games from him. He's never going to be an all-star.
Same with Brad and Shareef.
Our bigs might not consistently stop Duncan, but they did manage to control KG. Elton Brand is an all-star, but we got by the Clips anyway.
It's possible to win with these guys. We just need Mike Bibby to start shooting well again now that his hand is better. Artest is an all-star quality player. K-Mart could be someday.
I'm actually quite hopeful about this team despite our front court weaknesses.
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