Are we in trouble

#1
Looking back :rolleyes: at the Bucks dismatling us completely in the 2nd half, I think we are in a bit of trouble. The sole reason for that Brad is hurt, which means our one and only 7 footer is out for who knows how long, without a solid backup. With Minnesota coming to town, I think they will exploit the situation completely, just as Bogut and the bucks did in the 2nd half today...:eek:
 
#2
I think we'll be fine. The team was coming off a win at Chicago where nothing was falling but they won because they tried so hard. That much effort makes you tired. It's only 3 games and they were all home openers for the other team with one on a back to back. The size of the team is a legit concern and watching Bogut eat us like cereal was nauseating(spelling?). Hopefully we can take the TWolves and Petrie makes a trade soon.
 

VF21

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#3
It's a legitimate concern, BMiller52. If Brad is out for any period of time, we only have Vitaly Potapenko who is anywhere close to his height. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

I think we'd all better hope Brad's plantar fasciitis is something he can play through.
 
#5
Skinner is another undersized forward. He is NOT a Center. We need a legitamite center. That's why I thought we brang in Woods, and brang Williams to training camp. But both were released... And now we're stuck with another season of Reef and Kenny playing stints at center.
 
#6
It's a legitimate concern, BMiller52. If Brad is out for any period of time, we only have Vitaly Potapenko who is anywhere close to his height. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

I think we'd all better hope Brad's plantar fasciitis is something he can play through.

I am not worried we can play small ball.
 
#7
Are we in trouble? Yes.

But, then again, I'd have had the same answer in September.

Sad reality of the situation is that there were already several legitimate questions as to the team's quality when at full strength. Throw in a few possibly nagging injuries, and the team certainly isn't strong enough to withstand that for any length of time.
 

Bricklayer

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#8
Looking back :rolleyes: at the Bucks dismatling us completely in the 2nd half, I think we are in a bit of trouble. The sole reason for that Brad is hurt, which means our one and only 7 footer is out for who knows how long, without a solid backup. With Minnesota coming to town, I think they will exploit the situation completely, just as Bogut and the bucks did in the 2nd half today...:eek:

Well...personnel wise the Wolves may not have the same ability with Blount in there. Then again they are starting a pair of 7 footers while we may be starting a pair of glorified SFs, so could get ugly.

Longer term? Yes and no. I don't think until just tonight we have been terribly concerend about Brad being our defensive anchor in there, but as our only player significantly taller than Boris Diaw maybe we should have been. There is certainly complete disaster awaiting if we run into the Miamis, Houstons an Clevelands of the league.

Big key may actually be Ron, odd as that sounds. Jerry Reynolds bleating aside, smallball typically = loserball, but if Ron could somehow reach back and at least keep up the rebounding from the first few games, might allow us to at least survive in that aspect. That's really how a team like the Suns can survive smallballing it -- they've got some smalls who play like bigs.
 
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#9
I...dont think so. there is some legitmate concerns but as far as being in trouble no we all knew we had big weaknesses coming into the year the hope comes from the Core. but the injuries are not helping the Kings out we might need to make a big trade again this year if we're stuck at mud like last year.
 
#10
Skinner is another undersized forward. He is NOT a Center. We need a legitamite center. That's why I thought we brang in Woods, and brang Williams to training camp. But both were released... And now we're stuck with another season of Reef and Kenny playing stints at center.
Skinner is an undersized Center like SAR is. I wish we still had him, I like his effort and his muscle. We definately need to work out a trade to being in a backup Center. Vitaly, Mo, SAR, K9, Corliss are all not going to cut it, it is a total joke trying it. Sometimes small ball works, but we don't have any size and Brad plays smaller than a 7 footer and is away from the basket. At this point we could use Vitaly at least to play goalie a little, I'm not expecting miracles from him. But he is making 3.6M this year so he should do something other warm the bench, if he even dresses in a uniform. :rolleyes:
 
#11
I...dont think so. there is some legitmate concerns but as far as being in trouble no we all knew we had big weaknesses coming into the year the hope comes from the Core. but the injuries are not helping the Kings out we might need to make a big trade again this year if we're stuck at mud like last year.​

Big Weaknesses--of course mainly in rebounding...but I believed with one 7 footer and with above average height of our team on guard positions we could make up by rebounding as a team. And that is exactly the team was successful in doing. But now without Brad miller, there is no big guy on our roster that can atleast stand next to the Big men of rest of the league and look straight in their eyes. Our players will be like puppies in front of big centers and PFs of the NBA. this is why I am dreading about Brad's injury. People who think we will be fine playing small ball will realize otherwise if not now then soon;)
 
#12
Most likely to win the next TDM award: Eddie Griffin. When we can't field anyone but Potapenko who is even as big as their SF, it is not a good thing.

Small ball works against slow, lumbering guys, it does not work against KG.
 

Entity

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#13
This is crazy. We started the season off the same way the last 2 years. 2 years ago we started 0-3 last year 0-2. And last season we has 2 yes 2 five game losing streaks. I don't see that happening this year. The defense is the first to go when fatigue sets in everybody knows that. 3 players over 40 min against bull and come out the next night. Mike is hurting, Ron is searching for his shot and Miller is a mixture of both. It will get turned around and a nice home stand will probably do that for us. Last year we lost to New York in our first homestand.
 
#14
We should really start changing some stuff up if we continue seeing that kinda play... first off artest has to stop forcing up so many shots... and continue playing brad miller and mike bibby... they are the most important players on our team.
 

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#15
Skinner is an undersized Center like SAR is.
Uh... no. Skinner is, in fact, an undersized center. Abdur-Rahim, on the other hand, is an oversized small forward. Or, if he has it his way, an undersized power forward. But he's not a center, and shouldn't be playing center on any worthwhile team.
 
#16
Skinner is an undersized Center like SAR is.
Um... I must assume this comparison is being made based only on height. Which, I suppose, is kinda true in that they're both under 7' tall. But I really can't think of two less similar players to compare. In terms of ability/skills, Brian Skinner plays A LOT bigger than Reef, and a lot more like a center. In terms of size, I've seen the two together up close, and am not exaggerating when I suggest that Brian Skinner could quite easily eat SAR for breakfast.

I agree with the rest of your post, by the way, but that just jumped out at me.
 
#19
It's a legitimate concern, BMiller52. If Brad is out for any period of time, we only have Vitaly Potapenko who is anywhere close to his height. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

I think we'd all better hope Brad's plantar fasciitis is something he can play through.

I don't think Brad is the type to play through pain. He is the lazy country boy type.
 

SacTownKid

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#20
I don't think Brad is the type to play through pain. He is the lazy country boy type.
Is that a joke? That has to be a joke. Brad was clearly playing through this already but nobody knew about it. Not to mention the fact that he has a CHIPPED BONE IN HIS HAND!!!

And last year he played with the end of his finger broken. Two years ago he came back early from a damn broken leg! He plays through a lot. He just doesn't ***** about it very often.

Of course I think he should sit until he gets better. We can survive without him.
 
#22
Yeah...we're in huge trouble after 3 games! Let's all start freaking out!:eek:











.....please. I won't doubt that we have glaring weaknesses. But the season just started and we are already trying to predict what the entire season is going to be like. Gimme a break.

I'm willing to defer judgement until after 50 games like our head coach stated before the season started.

The only prediction that will ring true is that this season will be a roller-coaster ride for kingsfans.
 
#26
if we would have signed and traded bonzi wells for a decent center this past offseason, we wouldnt be wondering 3 games into the season if we're in trouble or not....
 
#27
if we would have signed and traded bonzi wells for a decent center this past offseason, we wouldnt be wondering 3 games into the season if we're in trouble or not....
Problem is, Bonzi refused to sign a deal with us. Can't control that. And I'm sure Bonzi's agent desperately tried to find a sign & trade deal that would appeal to the Kings.
 
#28
We are in Big Trouble. Musclehead will not last 50 games to find out what he has.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. We hire a coach and fire him halfway through the season. You'd make one heck of a GM.

I'll wager Muss lasts longer as our coach than you do around here.
 
#29
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. We hire a coach and fire him halfway through the season. You'd make one heck of a GM.

I'll wager Muss lasts longer as our coach than you do around here.
Dude, that's just rude.

But, I agree with the sentiment. Making a midway coaching change would be disasterous.

The caveat is that this coach needs to exert some dominance on this team (and quickly) because the sand will run out of that hourglass, I promise.
 
#30
Dude, that's just rude.
Take it however you want...

Roman; said:
The caveat is that this coach needs to exert some dominance on this team (and quickly) because the sand will run out of that hourglass, I promise.
The sand will not run out of the hourglass after one season. We have too much talent to be a lottery team and we don't have enough frontcourt depth to go deep into the playoffs. End result: 5-10th seed and Muss will still have his job.

It takes time for a new coach to establish a new system. It will take time for GP to find the right trade. And I'm sure both GP and Muss have a plan with goals for the next 2-3 years. Either way Muss will not be fired unless if we can't get past double digit wins.

I just don't see how you say Muss has to exert dominance when he doesn't have a complete team. And for the first 3 games he hasn't even had a healthy team albeit incomplete.