NBA Draft: What Will The Kings Do?
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If we draft Ivey and keep him that means Brown thinks he can teach him to play D and work well with Fox (or that Monte has offers for Fox, but I think Fox and Sabonis may have already taken a shine to each other). There's pressure to make the playoffs which is my one reservation with Ivey, I think it will be a 2-3 year project to get everyone to fit vs. some type of move that produced 2 players that can contribute right away. I hope Brown's resume and recent success with the Warriors is enough to produce buy-in. That's really the key no matter what we do after three years of zero-responsibility between Luke and an interim coach.
I won’t write him off entirely but there just aren’t very many examples of bad college defenders becoming good at the pro level. The Brunson/ Luka example is solid but I’d put an asterisk next to it since Luka will probably be an all time great.
anyway, I’ve said alI I want to say on Ivey. If the kings draft him I’ll look forward to next season just as much as I always do.
anyway, I’ve said alI I want to say on Ivey. If the kings draft him I’ll look forward to next season just as much as I always do.
This better be a 2-3 season project that isn't based on some hit the ground running from the top idea, and as I've said before, if Vivek is true to his word, he's literally talking play in next season. That's all. No huge deal. They've been just outside that window as is without Sabonis and a janky team of PG's and PF/C's instead, lol. Monte has set up the team for a perfect 2-3 season ascension to contender status if he plays it right. If they can pick off that potential 3rd star in the draft or even draft a potential star that can be a trade centerpiece that's MAJOR because if they work and end up staying that means you have a far more talented player on a steal of a rookie deal that allows you to go out and afford to spend next summer. On the flipside if you need an upgrade teams will listen. Draft a solid "fit", or a likely role guy then you just killed that probability from day 1. Unless this was all just throwing **** at the wall from Monte, which I doubt, he made more his own luck than anything I'd bet, but this is how you go about creating a serious window of about 3-4 seasons to make noise before you have to start trimming your cap back down or pay big sums to keep it together. And yeah, luck is a factor since moving up to 4 changed a ton, although even at 7-8 this would be a solid draft with his trades at the deadline, but now he's got serious value in his hand and GM's are already salivating. Pluck off your 3rd star, or get a godfather deal, then put the cherries on top next summer. Either way, they'll know where this team stands fairly early into next season.
Monte offered Bagley for Bey straight up. Did he really covet Bey that much?
The issue for Detroit is they don't have a lot of true talent and no replacement for Bey should he be traded. That is why there is so much pushback when he's discussed. Detroit does have a mix of big men that can fill in for Grant though. Bagley actually fits better with that group then Grant does.
The issue for Detroit is they don't have a lot of true talent and no replacement for Bey should he be traded. That is why there is so much pushback when he's discussed. Detroit does have a mix of big men that can fill in for Grant though. Bagley actually fits better with that group then Grant does.
Yes but a) Detroit would still have their 2023 pick, b) still have Grant to trade c) this is all hinging on the truth to Detroit really wants to move up to 4 chatter. Do they or don't they? If they do, it is going to cost something.
Anyhow, I don't know how much Monte does or doesn't covet Bey, we just seem to know he is a player he has targeted. The only other players he has verifiably targeted are now Kings, save for the failed Lakers deal.
Anyhow, I don't know how much Monte does or doesn't covet Bey, we just seem to know he is a player he has targeted. The only other players he has verifiably targeted are now Kings, save for the failed Lakers deal.
The obvious answer is always Dame/CJ in this argument and I think they are a good example of how much a defensive strategy matters. They won 50+ games both hovering around a pretty bad 112-113 DRTG and they also had years of being much higher, and lower depending on the team. I'm not a huge advanced stats person, I think people look at them as a cause rather than a result which is all they are but according to the ratings last year, Fox is a better defender than Davion according to DRTG. If Dame/CJ can get it together enough to get up in to that 105 range anyone can.
Exactly. Who the heck is Bey? It will be stupid of the Kings to trade #4 for someone that doesn't stand out. No Bey, no Kuz, no Randle, all these washed up slightly average players...c'mon man. No wonder the Kings suck from year to year because EVEN the fans don't know talents. They don't know what's good in front of them. Ivey is the real deal! Pick him and build him. Who's to say he can't play with FOX? You're going to regret not picking him down the road just like regretting picking Doncic (BECAUSE HE DOESN'T FIT WITH FOX). Give me a break!
My biggest fear is a T-Rob situation happening where Ivey is off the board and we take the person that fell and he is a total washout.
I don't think that is 100% likely to happen, but at this stage I'm super cool with an Ivey experiment if that's what is decided, or we draft and trade him for a ridiculous package.
If we somehow do 5+Grant for 4, I hope we immediately repackage Grant for 7 or maybe some deal to Charlotte for their 2 picks. I'm not sure how I feel about maxing out Grant if it works. On one hand, you sort of have to. On the other you've completely locked in at that point so if you haven't guaranteed a first round HCA I don't think you ever will.
I don't think that is 100% likely to happen, but at this stage I'm super cool with an Ivey experiment if that's what is decided, or we draft and trade him for a ridiculous package.
If we somehow do 5+Grant for 4, I hope we immediately repackage Grant for 7 or maybe some deal to Charlotte for their 2 picks. I'm not sure how I feel about maxing out Grant if it works. On one hand, you sort of have to. On the other you've completely locked in at that point so if you haven't guaranteed a first round HCA I don't think you ever will.
Saying Bey and Kings in a tweet is like saying "Candyman" three times.
Try it.
Try it.
Furthermore, passing on Ivey is NOWHERE near passing on Doncic. Ivey isn't the talent Doncic is - he's not even the talent Fox is. He's just a kid with potential, and this time of year, people go crazy for potential, because that's the nature of the draft.
I like Ivey, and I like his mom even more, but he's the best guard in a draft dominated by bigs, so he's standing out even more. I get it, but he's not the be-all end-all. He's a good talent, but not a game-changer right now. He could be 3 years from now. But so could Murray, Mathurin, Holmgren, Smith, Banchero, etc.
I like Ivey, and I like his mom even more, but he's the best guard in a draft dominated by bigs, so he's standing out even more. I get it, but he's not the be-all end-all. He's a good talent, but not a game-changer right now. He could be 3 years from now. But so could Murray, Mathurin, Holmgren, Smith, Banchero, etc.
You just aren’t going to get elite defensive production out of your back court typically. You’re hoping for net neutral and then lean on bigs and big wings. The one good point you made here is having two score first guards.
One of them is going to have to become a high end playmaker to take this team far and if fox isn’t that guy you should still keep rolling the dice.
One of them is going to have to become a high end playmaker to take this team far and if fox isn’t that guy you should still keep rolling the dice.
But where’s the shooting? And the defense?
You really think Sabonis Fox and Ivey can all get theirs in the paint when we have nothing close to an elite shooter spacing the offense? In an era where the 3 ball is more important than ever, that team would be comprised of exactly 0 great shooters.
I just don’t think that would work at all, unless the kings can somehow snag the elusive 3 and D wing that they’ve been missing for years, and a stretch 5 who can also defend. Those are pretty big “if’s”
If Ivey is the pick, Fox or Ivey would eventually have to be traded, in my opinion. I just don’t see any way that you can have two non-shooting, non-defending players in your backcourt and expect to win. Not unless Mike Brown is some sort of coaching genius…
You really think Sabonis Fox and Ivey can all get theirs in the paint when we have nothing close to an elite shooter spacing the offense? In an era where the 3 ball is more important than ever, that team would be comprised of exactly 0 great shooters.
I just don’t think that would work at all, unless the kings can somehow snag the elusive 3 and D wing that they’ve been missing for years, and a stretch 5 who can also defend. Those are pretty big “if’s”
If Ivey is the pick, Fox or Ivey would eventually have to be traded, in my opinion. I just don’t see any way that you can have two non-shooting, non-defending players in your backcourt and expect to win. Not unless Mike Brown is some sort of coaching genius…
It's pretty crazy because the reports are "Detroit wants to move up" not "Sacramento is desperate to sell". There's other buyers. Nobody knows who we are locked in on if it isn't Ivey, so if it's Daniels he could go anywhere in the top 7-10. Also if they gave up an unrestricted 2023 FRP instead it could work out a million times worse for them. I'm not convinced Detroit is ready to contend next year but they also aren't squarely in the "tanking for sure" category that Houston and OKC are in. But they haven't hired a new coach either, which leads me to believe there is no urgency in Detroit next year.
This point cannot be emphasized enough. The Kings are driving a seller’s market here, not trying to unload a toxic asset.
Yet despite it being well documented that several teams are vying to move up for Ivey, and the 4th pick has real value, every fanbase is convinced the Kings are desperate to give it up because of Givony’s stupid, unsourced “not preferred destination” trite.
Honestly, there are very few ways the Kings can screw this up.
One of the top 3 big men could fall in their lap. They could choose Ivey straight up and either try to run with it or put together a trade later. Or they could trade down for a better fitting player and some extra assets.
Now let’s all watch in shock and awe as they somehow manage to screw this up.
Yet despite it being well documented that several teams are vying to move up for Ivey, and the 4th pick has real value, every fanbase is convinced the Kings are desperate to give it up because of Givony’s stupid, unsourced “not preferred destination” trite.
Honestly, there are very few ways the Kings can screw this up.
One of the top 3 big men could fall in their lap. They could choose Ivey straight up and either try to run with it or put together a trade later. Or they could trade down for a better fitting player and some extra assets.
Now let’s all watch in shock and awe as they somehow manage to screw this up.
