NBA Draft: What Will The Kings Do?

[tyguy]

Grant is not enough to move the needle in a trade back. He’s a 27 year old role player with a Vorp of 5.7. Why not just stay at 4 and sign the 28 year old Otto Porter jr who has a career vorp of of 12.5 and is the better shooter?

Detroit has been trying to trade him anyway. They are essentially giving up nothing of value as far as they are concerned to move up and draft the guy they feel is a star.

 

[kb02]

Reading up on diff draft forums, the more I think the Kings most likely trade partner will be Indy. Ivey is from Indiana and it sure seems like that’s where he wants to go. Likewise, Indy sure seems to want him.

Monte and Wilcox needs to enter the draft with four scenarios: draft one of the big three, if Ivey jumps. Trade back with Detroit (Bey, please). Trade back with Indy (I’m a bit confused to who would be coming back. I don’t see them giving up Hali or Duerte. So Turner?). Trade back with ATL or NYK (I’m not really a fan of either scenario).

Edit: plus the Wash scenario where they get Kuz, Deni, + 10. At 10, they likely take Sochan, Dieng, or Williams. Williams is going to be legit as a pt fwd type. I would like do this trade.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Reading up on diff draft forums, the more I think the Kings most likely trade partner will be Indy. Ivey is from Indiana and it sure seems like that’s where he wants to go. Likewise, Indy sure seems to want him.

Monte and Wilcox needs to enter the draft with four scenarios: draft one of the big three, if Ivey jumps. Trade back with Detroit (Bey, please). Trade back with Indy (I’m a bit confused to who would be coming back. I don’t see them giving up Hali or Duerte. So Turner?). Trade back with ATL or NYK (I’m not really a fan of either scenario).

Edit: plus the Wash scenario where they get Kuz, Deni, + 10. At 10, they likely take Sochan, Dieng, or Williams. Williams is going to be legit as a pt fwd type. I would like do this trade.

Sam V proposed a trade back to Indy for Duarte. I haven’t watched him at all, is he versatile enough to play the 3?

 

[SLAB]

For Grant alone or Grant and 5?

Grant and 5. He’s a guy I have had negative interest in. Less than zero. A middling player who’s scoring numbers got inflated on awful percentages on an awful team.

I stand by my “Kings need to absolutely highway robbery someone to give away Ivey” take, and that sure as heck isn’t Jerami in addition to 5.

 

[kb02]

Sam V proposed a trade back to Indy for Duarte. I haven’t watched him at all, is he versatile enough to play the 3?

Yes, I love Duarte. So do Indy though. I don’t know who or what the Kings would need to send back to bridge that gap.

Edit:

 

[tyguy]

Grant and 5. He’s a guy I have had negative interest in. Less than zero. A middling player who’s scoring numbers got inflated on awful percentages on an awful team.

I stand by my “Kings need to absolutely highway robbery someone to give away Ivey” take, and that sure as heck isn’t Jerami in addition to 5.

Yeah, these guys we are getting back are jags. You can bring in better role players with our cap space.

The type of player we need to be getting in a possible trade is SGA. I bring him up because there were rumors a year ago that the thunder were willing to trade him. They also apparently have interest in Ivey in a trade up.

 

[tyguy]

Yes, I love Duarte. So do Indy though. I don’t know who or what the Kings would need to send back to bridge that gap.

Edit:

I would much rather have Bey than Duarte. Bey is much younger despite being in the league longer and has been a net positive on really bad pistons teams.

 

[206Fan]

I haven't watched any Detroit basketball (do you blame me?). But their fans say that Bey is a bad defender... while Grant is a solid defender.

If that's the case, I'd rather have Grant>Bey if the trade is with Detroit.

 

[SLAB]

I haven't watched any Detroit basketball (do you blame me?). But their fans say that Bey is a bad defender... while Grant is a solid defender.

If that's the case, I'd rather have Grant>Bey if the trade is with Detroit.

Why would we want a 28 year old role player who’s angling for a large extension next season? This name absolutely blows my mind. It has for the entire past year. He isn’t moving any needles.

 

[kb02]

I would much rather have Bey than Duarte. Bey is much younger despite being in the league longer and has been a net positive on really bad pistons teams.

So I think desire has a lot to do with it. It just feels like Indy has more desire to make a deal for Ivey than Detroit. In terms of the players right now, I think Duarte is the better player. Handles and passing in particular. Bey is your three and d. Duarte is your 3 and D with some facilitation. But that's secondary right now. Indy just feels like the team that really wants Ivey while Detroit doesn't have that kinda desperation.

 

[SLAB]

So I think desire has a lot to do with it. It just feels like Indy has more desire to make a deal for Ivey than Detroit. In terms of the players right now, I think Duarte is the better player. Handles and passing in particular. Bey is your three and d. Duarte is your 3 and D with some facilitation. But that's secondary right now. Indy just feels like the team that really wants Ivey while Detroit doesn't have that kinda desperation.

If Indi wants Ivey that bad they give back Hali and and future first. We hold the league hostage.

 

[sactowndog]

Yeah, these guys we are getting back are jags. You can bring in better role players with our cap space.

The type of player we need to be getting in a possible trade is SGA. I bring him up because there were rumors a year ago that the thunder were willing to trade him. They also apparently have interest in Ivey in a trade up.

Sure you can maybe, though I doubt it, get SGA for 5. You aren’t getting a pick with him

 

[sactowndog]

Yeah, these guys we are getting back are jags. You can bring in better role players with our cap space.

The type of player we need to be getting in a possible trade is SGA. I bring him up because there were rumors a year ago that the thunder were willing to trade him. They also apparently have interest in Ivey in a trade up.

Grant would cost at least 20M. I don’t think we have that much cap space

 

[NewArena]

A better poll would be which trade do you like best for 4 and Holmes

5 and Grant
10 and Kuzma
6 and Brogdan
11 and Randolph

Don’t know if those are all on the table but they would be my guesses.

I honestly dislike each of these options

 

[D13]

Don't mess around. Take Ivey. Keep him.
I don't see any problem why he wouldn't fit in here.

He is a 2 and would play the 2 with us. How does that not fit with Fox? He's bigger and longer than Fox too.
Who is our starting 2 now, DD (if we re-sign him)? Holiday? TD? We have nobody that will stand in Ivey's way.
The only reason I see Ivey's camp saying he doesn't prefer here is that he has the same agent as Haliburton and they are butt hurt still.

 

[sactowndog]

So I think desire has a lot to do with it. It just feels like Indy has more desire to make a deal for Ivey than Detroit. In terms of the players right now, I think Duarte is the better player. Handles and passing in particular. Bey is your three and d. Duarte is your 3 and D with some facilitation. But that's secondary right now. Indy just feels like the team that really wants Ivey while Detroit doesn't have that kinda desperation.

Boy this fan base loves guards. You wonder why it’s always the guards that fall to us. I take Grant and at 5 either take a 2-3 type of player whomever Monte likes best.

 

[SLAB]

Don't mess around. Take Ivey. Keep him.
I don't see any problem why he wouldn't fit in here.

He is a 2 and would play the 2 with us. How does that not fit with Fox? He's bigger and longer than Fox too.
Who is our starting 2 now, DD (if we re-sign him)? Holiday? TD? We have nobody that will stand in Ivey's way.
The only reason I see Ivey's camp saying he doesn't prefer here is that he has the same agent as Haliburton and they are butt hurt still.

This.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

A better poll would be which trade do you like best for 4 and Holmes

5 and Grant
10 and Kuzma
6 and Brogdan
11 and Randolph

Don’t know if those are all on the table but they would be my guesses.

None of these with Holmes. Need more. You put in Harkless and remaining filler. Holmes has value on his own.

If you have to trade Holmes to get this awful return just take Ivey or whoever is BPA.

 

[The_Jamal]

The problem is, if he's on the Kings, he's not going to have plays ran for him and there is no way he's going to hoist 8 three attempts per game. If he's the pick, they're going to have him in the corner, playing that Horford role on offense. Can he do it? I think so. But is it worth a pick in the 4-6 range? At 4? No. At 6? Maybe, if Daniels or Mathurin is off the board.

If the Kings are drafting Murray to play that role, they're better off trading with Washington and grabbing Kuzma (+Deni and #10), who already plays that role well.

Possibly, but that's where things do get interesting with Sabonis (and why I'm coming around Ivey too). From what we saw last season, there's absolutely room for another higher 18-22% USG guy on offense. Sabonis was so unselfish to a fault, but it seemed pretty clear that he's looking to be a creator first; scorer second. And we saw a clear scoring gap when Fox/Barnes went to the bench as Mitchell was just starting to break out around the time they shut everyone down.

Fox/Sabonis/Barnes/rookie as your main shot takers can absolutely work. Throw in some Mitchell/DDV secondary scoring, get a valuable defensive piece from GS (Porter,GPII,Looney)

I would much rather have Bey than Duarte. Bey is much younger despite being in the league longer and has been a net positive on really bad pistons teams.

Duarte is fools gold. He had a strong start to the year and everyone basing their opinion off that.

 

[The_Jamal]

Grant is not enough to move the needle in a trade back. He’s a 27 year old role player with a Vorp of 5.7. Why not just stay at 4 and sign the 28 year old Otto Porter jr who has a career vorp of of 12.5 and is the better shooter?

Detroit has been trying to trade him anyway. They are essentially giving up nothing of value as far as they are concerned to move up and draft the guy they feel is a star.

Maybe if you had 2 years of Grant, you could justify it, but it's real weak with him heading to UFA. Trading down for the right to pay Grant the $25 mil/season he wants? Bleh

 

[The_Jamal]

None of these with Holmes. Need more. You put in Harkless and remaining filler. Holmes has value on his own.

If you have to trade Holmes to get this awful return just take Ivey or whoever is BPA.

If we're trading down to 10 or 11, I want those teams souls in return. Just Kuzma or Randle with the picks trash

 

[Woot!]

What do you "5 + Bey" fans see in him?

He's young, showed a nice 3-ball his rookie year, is a wing, and Monte previously expressed interest in him.

All that said, in my admittedly very limited views of Bey, I don't see the cause for excitement. Nor do I see it in his overall numbers (40/36/83 career). Can someone who's enthusiastic about possibly getting him pls explain? Based on what little I've seen, I'd be a bit concerned about what he'd bring (not bring) defensively.

 

[SLAB]

Wha're you "5 + Bey" fans see in Bey?

He's young, showed a nice 3-ball his rookie year, is a wing, and Monte previously expressed interest in him.

All that said, in my admittedly very limited views of Bey, I'm not seeing the cause for excitement. Can someone who's enthusiastic about possibly getting him pls explain? Based on what little I've seen, I'd be a bit concerned about what he'd bring (not bring) defensively.

He scored 50 once so he’s basically a superstar!!!!!!

 

[The_Jamal]

What do you "5 + Bey" fans see in him?

He's young, showed a nice 3-ball his rookie year, is a wing, and Monte previously expressed interest in him.

All that said, in my admittedly very limited views of Bey, I don't see the cause for excitement. Nor do I see it in his overall numbers (40/36/83 career). Can someone who's enthusiastic about possibly getting him pls explain? Based on what little I've seen, I'd be a bit concerned about what he'd bring (not bring) defensively.

He's a young, good 3/4 flex wing that's verging on being an elite floor spacer. Hes the most valuable and sought after archetype in the NBA. You bet on these guys spiking any chance you get.

Throw out last season too. DET was a total crapshow where they basically never had their full roster and he was forced to be their lead option for a good chunk of the year. That's not his role, nor what he'd do here

 

[pdxKingsFan]

A big part of Bey for me is that it's a realistic deal, we have reason to believe Monte coveted him in past trade talks around Bagley, and it sticks to our timeline + cost containment & flexibility needs. Compared to the uncertainty of a future first, getting a 2 year player who seems to be of value to our GM and his build scenario, that would be great.

The fact that many Detroit people don't like it but many Kings people say its not enough also leads me to believe it isn't too far off being fair once you strip away biases and expectations. If Ivey becomes a bonafide superstar and we draft a really nice 3rd option and Bey a foundation of our rotation, and we become a regular playoff team most will say we blew it but they'll also be too busy enjoying the playoffs. Especially if in this scenario Fox is playing at a high level consistently.

 

[SacTownKid]

A lot of folk high on Daniels. What's the projection on him, in your words?

High end, solid role player. Dante Exum without injuries? I've seen comps to Livingston and Lonzo. All pretty good IMO. You don't touch that at 4. He's been cleverly guided by his agents. Noticed he mentioned the Kings and Spurs in that interview. Right between his draft range HIGH point.

 

[SacTownKid]

What do you "5 + Bey" fans see in him?

He's young, showed a nice 3-ball his rookie year, is a wing, and Monte previously expressed interest in him.

All that said, in my admittedly very limited views of Bey, I don't see the cause for excitement. Nor do I see it in his overall numbers (40/36/83 career). Can someone who's enthusiastic about possibly getting him pls explain? Based on what little I've seen, I'd be a bit concerned about what he'd bring (not bring) defensively.

It's the 5 and a positional need that's not easy to fill now for me. Bey isn't the valuable asset, it's him AND only moving back 1 spot. That's great value even though clearly Ivey is in that 4 of what is a top 4 draft. I'm super high on Ivey and the top 3 bigs, but I'd do that trade. Get Bey and still land a Murray or gamble on a Sharpe.

 

[SacTownKid]

He's a young, good 3/4 flex wing that's verging on being an elite floor spacer. Hes the most valuable and sought after archetype in the NBA. You bet on these guys spiking any chance you get.

Throw out last season too. DET was a total crapshow where they basically never had their full roster and he was forced to be their lead option for a good chunk of the year. That's not his role, nor what he'd do here

Age matters though and the red flags with players that old is when their usage goes up and their efficiency either drops or stagnates. He could blow up, but all the signs point to it being unlikely. The great thing about him for Sac is he would be able to fully transition into being the high end role guy he is and perhaps focus more on the little aspects of that type of players game.

 

[tyguy]

Don't mess around. Take Ivey. Keep him.
I don't see any problem why he wouldn't fit in here.

He is a 2 and would play the 2 with us. How does that not fit with Fox? He's bigger and longer than Fox too.
Who is our starting 2 now, DD (if we re-sign him)? Holiday? TD? We have nobody that will stand in Ivey's way.
The only reason I see Ivey's camp saying he doesn't prefer here is that he has the same agent as Haliburton and they are butt hurt still.

He’s definitely a better fit than the general consensus seems to be. His best position right now is two guard. For him to become a superstar he will need to become an elite playmaker on top of being an elite scorer at point guard. The most likely outcome is he becomes an all star level shooting guard.

You can absolutely have two on ball scorers though. LeBron and Kyrie were obviously quite successful playing together pounding the air out of the rock.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Saying Bey and Kings in a tweet is like saying "Candyman" three times.

Try it.