Kings first round of coaching candidate interviews comes out
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It’s hilarious to me some are telling ourselves “ITS OKAY REALLY WE’RE GETTING THE GUY WHO LAID THE GROUNDWORK FOR THE WARRIORS DYNASTY!”
… who hasn’t been hired in the following 8/9 years for reasons. If such an instrumental part of a future dynasty was just hanging out ready for the taking you’d think teams would be tripping over themselves to hire the guy. But naaaaaa, just Sacramento a decade later because we’re the Sacramento Kings.
… who hasn’t been hired in the following 8/9 years for reasons. If such an instrumental part of a future dynasty was just hanging out ready for the taking you’d think teams would be tripping over themselves to hire the guy. But naaaaaa, just Sacramento a decade later because we’re the Sacramento Kings.
It’s essentially an opinion piece. We really don’t know how wide spread the trouble was but at the very least we know two of his assistants and a front office guy didn’t get along with him. Maybe it was just those few or it could have been more we just don’t know.
as far as the owner lying, I saw that more as him not airing dirty laundry to the media during the season. Maybe he is petty and fired him due to the son but again we just don’t have enough info.
one could argue It does open up the possibility that the drama was blown out of proportion.
the other thing to consider is Vivek should have more info than all of us considering he was there. It is odd considering he is friends with basically everyone at the Warriors that he would want to hire a guy with that reputation there (if he earned it)
as far as the owner lying, I saw that more as him not airing dirty laundry to the media during the season. Maybe he is petty and fired him due to the son but again we just don’t have enough info.
one could argue It does open up the possibility that the drama was blown out of proportion.
the other thing to consider is Vivek should have more info than all of us considering he was there. It is odd considering he is friends with basically everyone at the Warriors that he would want to hire a guy with that reputation there (if he earned it)
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https://kingsherald.com/coaching-se...anadive-mark-jackson-monte-mcnair-mike-brown/
There's a LOT of interesting things in here if any are true.
There's a LOT of interesting things in here if any are true.
IF this is true. And IF Vivek gets his way and hires Mark Jackson, and IF things go exactly how I think they will, the NBA should step in to replace Ranadive as an owner for gross mismanagement.
In what way is Mark Jackson even an upgrade to Gentry? And for being such a Warriors obsessive, how does Vivek think hiring the guy that ultimately had to be fired before the Warriors reached their potential will drag the Kings out of the doldrums?
I never thought I'd be hoping this much that Clifford or Brown is the next Kings coach . . .
In what way is Mark Jackson even an upgrade to Gentry? And for being such a Warriors obsessive, how does Vivek think hiring the guy that ultimately had to be fired before the Warriors reached their potential will drag the Kings out of the doldrums?
I never thought I'd be hoping this much that Clifford or Brown is the next Kings coach . . .
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I'd normally be skeptical but they align with exactly what we've come to expect. Power struggles. Moving positions of power around at random. Vivek inserting himself into GM/coaching calls.
They've happened repeatedly in the past so I'm no longer skeptical anytime the rumor is that the Kings are about to make the dumbest decision possible.
They've happened repeatedly in the past so I'm no longer skeptical anytime the rumor is that the Kings are about to make the dumbest decision possible.
since i don't know the procedure, how likely is scenario vivek getting pushed out by NBA itself? did it occur in some other franchises, ever?
besides donald sterling and similar cases of course.
second, i do hope vivek will find some other toy, like some english football club, or some other european football powerhouse.
ok, he was too small to have a shot at purchasing chelsea, but there's a plenty of other EPL teams.
if we really want something to change, vivek must sell his stake and evaporate...
besides donald sterling and similar cases of course.
second, i do hope vivek will find some other toy, like some english football club, or some other european football powerhouse.
ok, he was too small to have a shot at purchasing chelsea, but there's a plenty of other EPL teams.
if we really want something to change, vivek must sell his stake and evaporate...
It's exceedingly unlikely. Even Donald Sterling's ouster was a controversial decision (particularly amongst the NBA's Board of Governors). Vivek Ranadive's mismanagement of the Sacramento Kings is no worse than a dozen other examples of poor franchise stewardship that likewise would never have resulted in a forced sale by the league.
Vivek's been a pretty crummy owner since he bought the team, but it would take an enormous infraction, indeed, for the league office to step in and strip him of his governorship.
Vivek's been a pretty crummy owner since he bought the team, but it would take an enormous infraction, indeed, for the league office to step in and strip him of his governorship.
Have you considered the possibility that nobody else wanted to come play for the Kings? There is a minimum salary cap threshold and if you have 12 rookie scale contracts on your team, that means you probably have to spend $40 million on somebody just to reach that threshold. It ain't gonna be Lebron. I don't think the team was trying to shortcut their way to the playoffs by signing Zach Randolph in his twilight years and a 40 year old Vince Carter. Of the players you listed, only Rondo and Belinelli could charitably be called "win now" signings but that was with George Karl on the sideline, Rudy Gay coming off of back-to-back 20ppg seasons, and DeMarcus already an all-star and one year into his second contract. They made sense in that context.
I agree with you on principle that trying and failing to make the playoffs every season so that you never have a top 5 pick or establish a winning culture is a poor way to build a team, but I don't agree that this accurately describes what happened. Cauley-Stein was 6th overall in the 2015 draft. In the 2016 draft Vlade had three first round picks and that was after he had already traded for Buddy Hield (6th overall) in the middle of his rookie season. That's 5 first round picks in two years. He also traded for Bogdan who was a first round pick. Fox was 5th overall and he had two other picks in the first round that year. Bagley was 2nd overall in the 2018 draft. Now we're up to 10 first round picks in 4 years including a 5th overall, a 2nd overall, and two that were 6th overall. And that doesn't count the international player rights Vade acquired or the dozen or so 2nd round picks and undrafted free agents he took flyers on. He did exactly what you claim he didn't do. Assets, draft capitol, more bites at the apple. It didn't work because he drafted poorly.
I agree with you on principle that trying and failing to make the playoffs every season so that you never have a top 5 pick or establish a winning culture is a poor way to build a team, but I don't agree that this accurately describes what happened. Cauley-Stein was 6th overall in the 2015 draft. In the 2016 draft Vlade had three first round picks and that was after he had already traded for Buddy Hield (6th overall) in the middle of his rookie season. That's 5 first round picks in two years. He also traded for Bogdan who was a first round pick. Fox was 5th overall and he had two other picks in the first round that year. Bagley was 2nd overall in the 2018 draft. Now we're up to 10 first round picks in 4 years including a 5th overall, a 2nd overall, and two that were 6th overall. And that doesn't count the international player rights Vade acquired or the dozen or so 2nd round picks and undrafted free agents he took flyers on. He did exactly what you claim he didn't do. Assets, draft capitol, more bites at the apple. It didn't work because he drafted poorly.
There is no minumum cap we need to reach. If we dont reach the minimum cap, we'll just pay the rest divided to our current players. We also could've used that cap space to get those salary dump trades to get additional draft capital. And thats exactly what I'm been saying we should and should've done with our cap space. Either those guys being win now vets or not, it was absolutely a failure to pay them that amount of money considering the results and the opportunity cost.
Well absolutely not. Either you dont understand what I'm saying or I'm not making myself clear. Yes he drafted poorly, thats obvious, as obvious that he should've never ever been hired as a gm by an Nba organisation. But his poor drafting doesnt mean his strategy wasnt awfull too
Yes its an extremely poor way to build a team and I'm glad we agree on that.
Thats pretty much what happened. If you draft poorly and imagine right from the start that you have enough talent to compete, you are probably wrong. If your team is bad even when you fill up all the possible cap space with expensive vets, you should probaly take a year or two to actually grow the top end talent base. The idea of "tanking" or "rebuilding" is that you can clearly see when your young top level talent is good enough to compete. Only after that you start spending your cap to win now vets. If you dont have enough top end talent, keep drafting and biting the apple, keep growing the war chest and once you are ready then make your moves.
Still the mistake is exactly the same that has happened year after year. We dont plan for future. The moves we make arent for future and thats why its extremely difficult to change anything. We make unnececary moves for win now that are absolutely meaningless and worthless and hurt us via opportunity cost and draft position. Our strategy hasnt been set to "lets be competitive in couple of years when we actually could have a chance and make moves according to that". No. The strategy has been win now for year after year. I'm assuming we arent disagreeing with this?
My proposition has always been building up a war chest of draft capital by using your cap space and trading your vets. Draft as high as possible with your own pick to have the best chance possible to getting best possible players and then have a lot of extra assets and young players for when you start to have good enough top level talent to actually make win now moves.
Vlade absolutely didnt do that. Kings hasnt absolutely done that and they have been the worst organisation in the whole league for the past 10+ years without competition. For that time the strategy has never been what I've been advocating for and it certainly wasnt it with Vlade.
Well absolutely not. Either you dont understand what I'm saying or I'm not making myself clear. Yes he drafted poorly, thats obvious, as obvious that he should've never ever been hired as a gm by an Nba organisation. But his poor drafting doesnt mean his strategy wasnt awfull too
Yes its an extremely poor way to build a team and I'm glad we agree on that.
Thats pretty much what happened. If you draft poorly and imagine right from the start that you have enough talent to compete, you are probably wrong. If your team is bad even when you fill up all the possible cap space with expensive vets, you should probaly take a year or two to actually grow the top end talent base. The idea of "tanking" or "rebuilding" is that you can clearly see when your young top level talent is good enough to compete. Only after that you start spending your cap to win now vets. If you dont have enough top end talent, keep drafting and biting the apple, keep growing the war chest and once you are ready then make your moves.
Still the mistake is exactly the same that has happened year after year. We dont plan for future. The moves we make arent for future and thats why its extremely difficult to change anything. We make unnececary moves for win now that are absolutely meaningless and worthless and hurt us via opportunity cost and draft position. Our strategy hasnt been set to "lets be competitive in couple of years when we actually could have a chance and make moves according to that". No. The strategy has been win now for year after year. I'm assuming we arent disagreeing with this?
My proposition has always been building up a war chest of draft capital by using your cap space and trading your vets. Draft as high as possible with your own pick to have the best chance possible to getting best possible players and then have a lot of extra assets and young players for when you start to have good enough top level talent to actually make win now moves.
Vlade absolutely didnt do that. Kings hasnt absolutely done that and they have been the worst organisation in the whole league for the past 10+ years without competition. For that time the strategy has never been what I've been advocating for and it certainly wasnt it with Vlade.
Jackson could be a great option for a team like that whereas the Kings shouldn't gamble like that right now. They don't need to. They have a potential youngish 2 star duo and cap space coming. There's a little bit of time and after that if it doesn't work it's blow up time anyway, nothing more. They just have to climb enough next year to go all in the year after. Jackson's a lightening rod that could help share some of the backlash in LA and has been a soldier all the way back to his playing days. He'll back his guys up. For them? They could use it. They have a limited window with clear talent on paper to be a contender NOW, there isn't much of anything else in terms of disappointment and mudslinging that can happen to that team, and they need something drastic to turn around their locker room. That isn't the Kings. Not at all. The Kings don't have a surefire LeBron/AD level duo nor anything on paper close to that core. However, the Kings might have a brighter future. If Jackson comes into Sacramento the damage he could potentially cause just in the media alone could set things back so far it's simply not worth it. Now is not the time to be desperate. Monte cleared a lot of impending mess at the deadline, don't blow this on the 5 yard line.
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