Trade Bagley?
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Oh for sure. Massively dumb move to hire a guy with zero experience as a fan service/PR move.
I’m not sure if a different GM would have picked Luka at 2 (he did drop to 5 after all), but I’d imagine somebody other than Vlade would have gotten better value with the 2nd pick than grabbing Bagley 5-6 spots too high and calling it a night.
We have another year of his rookie deal IIRC, so I’d like to see how Bags plays under a different coach before trading him. He is finally showing some improvement lately, I’d hate to see McNair sell low.
I’m not sure if a different GM would have picked Luka at 2 (he did drop to 5 after all), but I’d imagine somebody other than Vlade would have gotten better value with the 2nd pick than grabbing Bagley 5-6 spots too high and calling it a night.
We have another year of his rookie deal IIRC, so I’d like to see how Bags plays under a different coach before trading him. He is finally showing some improvement lately, I’d hate to see McNair sell low.
A roided out man karate chopping Bagley's hand and breaking it doesn't make him injury prone. He had some foot issues as well, which is more concerning, but they were not major as you described. In the larger context, the Kings organization has not done well with managing injuries for any of its players. It is difficult to tell if his foot problems were recurring or mismanaged. Time will tell, but he has been fine thus far. So there is no reason to assume a major injury will occur.
I'm not arguing with you over this because I don't think I can change your mind. But two seconds for Bagley? I'm glad you are not the GM
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Let’s see, team not going anywhere, should be playing younger prospects to see if they can be a part of this future, Kings playing Bagley big minutes because they need to see what the 21 year old who is putting up good numbers can be, some want to deal him for minimal return and probable bigger long shots of any younger guy being better.....ohhhh kayyy.
If I knew for a fact that the team would smartly aim their focus from this season to the future and thus give Bagley an opportunity to +30min a game to improve his value then he certainly shouldnt be traded.
If it continues as it is, trying to desperately scratch and claw tight W's against weak opponents by playing 8 man rotations with mostly vets, then there is no reason to expect Bagley to improve his trade value
If it continues as it is, trying to desperately scratch and claw tight W's against weak opponents by playing 8 man rotations with mostly vets, then there is no reason to expect Bagley to improve his trade value
Most of the draft experts had Ayton going #1 & Luka going 2nd. Almost all of them had Bagley & Jackson as the next 2 picks. A few had Bamba mixed in there, but not many. The NBA big boards was a different matter. For instance, several with good knowledge said that at least half of the NBA teams didn't have Luka in their top 5.
I agree with that but not at the expense of little in return. I’m also not at the point that all we need to do is to raise his value to deal Him. Offensively, he’s shown good Improvement and if he can continue the improvement, we need to find out where it caps out. Defensively, I think he’s improved already but still has a ways to go.....but there has been improvement. That is on Marvin AND the coaching staff.
He’s 21 years old. WTF people? He didn’t draft himself. He keeps looking better and better on offense. His defense is still terrible - but so is the whole team. It’s not like he’s the piece that’s wrecking the D. Let’s play him, see what we have, and keep an open mind. If he ever gets stronger - which is likely - this dude will be a stud.
Yeah I remember Luka dropping draft day as well with all the concerns about his perceived “low ceiling”.... it was a weird draft.
Anyways, I can admit to being a tad bit hyperbolic and we can move on!
Speaking of hyperbole... Bagley can average 25/12, if his defense doesn’t improve he’s still not a plus player on the court at his position, unless he also becomes a MUCH better playmaker (see Randle’s jump).
I’m rooting for him, but I think hoping he increases value as a trade chip is a better bet than hoping he can develop into a core player for the franchise.
Anyways, I can admit to being a tad bit hyperbolic and we can move on!
Speaking of hyperbole... Bagley can average 25/12, if his defense doesn’t improve he’s still not a plus player on the court at his position, unless he also becomes a MUCH better playmaker (see Randle’s jump).
I’m rooting for him, but I think hoping he increases value as a trade chip is a better bet than hoping he can develop into a core player for the franchise.
Yeah. I was a little harsh on @Section 101 specifically, when my frustration is in general about the scapegoating.
Without digging in too deep, the team may not have the personnel to execute the scheme the coaches want. IMHO, the breakdown is initially happening at the guard level affecting everything else from there in large part.
Without digging in too deep, the team may not have the personnel to execute the scheme the coaches want. IMHO, the breakdown is initially happening at the guard level affecting everything else from there in large part.
Our best bet with Bagley is to continue developing him. He has improved no matter what the naysayers have said (and I’m not a big fan)
he is no longer a black hole. He is a poor passer but he at least plays within the offense.
he can hit the three at a reasonable clip. Big skill he has clearly worked on.
he has stayed healthy- he was heading towards the nickname “walking boot Bagley” before the season.
Let’s say next year he improves his free throws to 73 percent, improved his PR with Fox and becomes stronger with at least 20 percent better defense.
At the very least that is a player that has value and could be traded. If he does those 3 things, stays healthy and retains or improves his 3pt shot he will either be useful to the team or worth a first rounder. Someone will bet on a 22 year old kid with size and athleticism
he is no longer a black hole. He is a poor passer but he at least plays within the offense.
he can hit the three at a reasonable clip. Big skill he has clearly worked on.
he has stayed healthy- he was heading towards the nickname “walking boot Bagley” before the season.
Let’s say next year he improves his free throws to 73 percent, improved his PR with Fox and becomes stronger with at least 20 percent better defense.
At the very least that is a player that has value and could be traded. If he does those 3 things, stays healthy and retains or improves his 3pt shot he will either be useful to the team or worth a first rounder. Someone will bet on a 22 year old kid with size and athleticism
To finish up on this, I just listened to a clip of Walton's press conference on the D-Lo and KC show. Waltin said that the team is letting players drive straight to front of the rim and that the players have to at least contain the offensive player for 2 or 3 dribbles. Then they can talk about weak side defense. But letting the man drive straight line to basket is the biggest issue.
Paraphrasing of course, but he actually said what I was trying to convey. The guards are putting our big men in all kinds of no win situations.
Paraphrasing of course, but he actually said what I was trying to convey. The guards are putting our big men in all kinds of no win situations.