Ben working with Kings to find a new place to play?

[VF21]

While I understand what you are saying, a trade request doesn't just come up for no reason. It means something is/was bothering him. Unless the media had it all wrong and we told him we were gonna trade him. I suppose it wouldn't be the first time the media (or me) would be wrong.

If he did complain, it would have been the most aggressive thing he did since entering the NBA. Shame it had to be on the way out.

Do we really know that he asked for a trade? Has he made such a statement?

You're buying into the media hype. I'm more inclined to wait until I hear it from a source I actually can believe - like Ben himself or Vlade. You know? Just keep in mind that most times (especially around the trade deadline) these little tidbits are planted by agents.

 

[ParniValjak]

If true this doesn't bother me at all. And I think it Vlade's influence back there making splits mostly amicable. Whether that's practical or not I do not know. But it can hardly be a surprise after Ben, suddenly for the first time in his career, started sitting out games with an injury just before a trade deadline.

The Belinelli thing is a bit of a mystery, but I will one more time mention that Marco Belinelli was a major rotation player/part time starter for a dynastic title team two years ago. He's not one of our unproven hope and prayer guys. Most of what we have done has been done with a clear purpose of constructing a playoff roster.

Obviously the Minny thing would have been Kevin, and theoretically somehow you would say our scoring from the position would be very taken care of in that case. Now Rubio is also available supposedly, but it would be one of the freakiest lineups of all time to have he and Rondo play together, so can;t go there for the defense (and injuries).

Rubio is an interesting one. I am wondering what our interest would be there if we didn't have Rondo

 

[Bricklayer]

Rubio is an interesting one. I am wondering what our interest would be there if we didn't have Rondo

These guys that miss 50 games every season make me nervous as blocks to rely upon. How many seasons has Rubio's inability to stay healthy already scuttled for the Wolves?

 

[Fear the Putin]

McLemore isn't a killer. I want killers on this team.

 

[Livinthedream]

No particular grin. Ben's not a cancer, and he's not a bad guy. He's just a failed pick. And frankly its a worn our marriage. If he asked to move on, he would have been right to do so (who knows, maybe the decision to keep Karl factored in?). If we are shopping him looking for an upgrade or defense, we are right to do so. Ben has not gotten it done. So...time to make a move. I have no problem with any party's thinking here. Doesn't have to be done at any cost. But if we get the right piece back its an opportunity to get better.

I have no issues trading him for a better piece. But that's easier said than done. Not because of his trade value, but because you're not going to get someone better in a straight trade, no matter who the guy you're trying to trade is. So we're going to have to create a hole some place to fill a hole some place else. The only way to avoid that (since free agency is a tough go for this city) is to draft well and develop players to plug holes. If you want to say that Ben was a bad draft pick, that's fine. The prior issue still remains. Trading Ben will help him more than the Kings. Shump is not a better player. His defense is not so great as to overcome the issues we have, and his offense is poor.

 

[kingsboi]

I mean the Kings are short on youth as it is so I suppose getting another veteran will get them that beloved 8th seed for no purpose at all, that's if they even mount up enough wins, which I don't see happening. I don't care if they trade Ben, that ship has sailed, however...you want to throw all your marbles towards getting a 8th seed and in the process losing a top ten pick? color me unimpressed.

 

[Livinthedream]

Of note, Ben signed with Lebron's agent not too long ago. So there is that connection. Some of this might just be agent talk/agent wishes.

 

[Merdiesel]

Have I been watching a different guy out there all this time?

Oh if only he had a better coach, defined role and a remote controlled ball that actually went through the ****ing hoop. How about a robotic suit that kept him from getting complete ****ing lost out there every night?

Ben was drafted purely on his his shooting ability and athleticism.. He brought none of that to Sacramento and has been a complete bust. Complaining about his lack of minutes?

What the hell does "working with him" even mean anyway? He's should be sent where ever we get the best offer. He hasn't earned anything.

 

[VF21]

Have I been watching a different guy out there all this time?

Oh if only he had a better coach, defined role and a remote controlled ball that actually went through the ****ing hoop. How about a robotic suit that kept him from getting complete ****ing lost out there every night?

Ben was drafted purely on his his shooting ability and athleticism.. He brought none of that to Sacramento and has been a complete bust. Complaining about his lack of minutes?

What the hell does "working with him" even mean anyway? He's should be sent where ever we get the best offer. He hasn't earned anything.

Again, before you jump off assumption cliff and into conclusion pond, keep in mind you're (over)reacting to a random comment and not a direct quote attributed to Ben.

 

[hrdboild]

Here's an idea... just fire George Karl already! Problem solved. This team, sheesh. We're never going to get anything right are we?

 

[SacKings123]

Doesn't matter anymore. He was given 2.5 years to prove something and what he lacked most was confidence and consistency. He is a great kid but isnt filling out the sg position like we need. Let's just hope we get an upgrade

 

[IfAt1st]

It seems like every month Ben plays like he may have finally "clicked" and gotten it.

Then no sooner as he does, he immediately waffles back and looks lost and hopeless on the court.

I would have liked to have seen him play (more) the past 6 games, to see if the latest "clicking" was for real, or another mirage.

 

[SacKings123]

It seems like every month Ben plays like he may have finally "clicked" and gotten it.

Then no sooner as he does, he immediately waffles back and looks lost and hopeless on the court.

I would have liked to have seen him play (more) the past 6 games, to see if the latest "clicking" was for real, or another mirage.

Don't be fooled, again

 

[VF21]

I would have liked to have seen him play (more) the past 6 games, to see if the latest "clicking" was for real, or another mirage.

When you're a shooter and it's your shooting hand that's sprained, it's a little tough to get out there and prove you're worth keeping around. I believe Ben is the latest victim of Kings "luck."

 

[Bricklayer]

I mean the Kings are short on youth as it is so I suppose getting another veteran will get them that beloved 8th seed for no purpose at all, that's if they even mount up enough wins, which I don't see happening. I don't care if they trade Ben, that ship has sailed, however...you want to throw all your marbles towards getting a 8th seed and in the process losing a top ten pick? color me unimpressed.

You have to start somewhere. 8th seeds going up are good. 8th seeds going down are not.

There are also advantages to steady rosters over time. They improve as guys get used to each other. Good teams don't muck around too much for a reason. And if you can break through, it opens potential free agent doors. Not for stars, but getting you in the running for good roleplayers and the like. This roster is not so horribly constructed as people make out. A few of the right roleplayers could do wonders.

 

[hrdboild]

I guarantee you that all of the people who want us to trade McLemore for Sumpert will be complaining about Shumpert in 2 years and wishing that we had Ben back. Whether you think Ben is the problem or DeMarcus or Rudy or Rajon... you're wrong. Every year there's some player somewhere who will be the difference, who will turn this around. It's never true is it? I keep reading national reports saying that the inmates are running the asylum in Sacramento. I say, if this team is an asylum than the players aren't the inmates, we are. For ever thinking that this is going to change. Only we're not running anything. Our incompetence as an organization is legendary at this point. Just get used to losing. It's painfully apparent that nobody in charge knows what the hell they're doing.

 

[Iced Espresso]

I guarantee you that all of the people who want us to trade McLemore for Sumpert will be complaining about Shumpert in 2 years and wishing that we had Ben back. Whether you think Ben is the problem or DeMarcus or Rudy or Rajon... you're wrong. Every year there's some player somewhere who will be the difference, who will turn this around. It's never true is it? I keep reading national reports saying that the inmates are running the asylum in Sacramento. I say, if this team is an asylum than the players aren't the inmates, we are. For ever thinking that this is going to change. Only we're not running anything. Our incompetence as an organization is legendary at this point. Just get used to losing. It's painfully apparent that nobody in charge knows what the hell they're doing.

So maintain the status quo, and eat the Jarl Thompandry's contracts of the world while buying 13 dollar Heinekens at the sleep train got it.

 

[Bricklayer]

I guarantee you that all of the people who want us to trade McLemore for Sumpert will be complaining about Shumpert in 2 years and wishing that we had Ben back. Whether you think Ben is the problem or DeMarcus or Rudy or Rajon... you're wrong. Every year there's some player somewhere who will be the difference, who will turn this around. It's never true is it? I keep reading national reports saying that the inmates are running the asylum in Sacramento. I say, if this team is an asylum than the players aren't the inmates, we are. For ever thinking that this is going to change. Only we're not running anything. Our incompetence as an organization is legendary at this point. Just get used to losing. It's painfully apparent that nobody in charge knows what the hell they're doing.

Shump's no savior. But he's a piece. That is the work. Tank tank tank is not the work. That's just gambling. You need to do it to get a star, but once you do, its time for the work. Little piece here. Complimentary piece there. Saavy signing here. My doubts run deep about the coach. Not about adding in defensive roleplayers.

 

[kingsboi]

You have to start somewhere. 8th seeds going up are good. 8th seeds going down are not.

There are also advantages to steady rosters over time. They improve as guys get used to each other. Good teams don't muck around too much for a reason. And if you can break through, it opens potential free agent doors. Not for stars, but getting you in the running for good roleplayers and the like. This roster is not so horribly constructed as people make out. A few of the right roleplayers could do wonders.

I don't question that stability is the right formula. It will start with the off season with getting the right coach for the personnel to put the players in positions to not fail miserably...however, the team can't just load up with veteran players and expect to get results on the upswing. There needs to be a shot of boost and athletic, young legs. I know we have Trill but just he on his own won't cut it IMO. Potential free agent doors are closed shut right now as far as I'm concerned until the team proves otherwise.

 

[King Baller]

What the hell is wrong with this team

KARL

 

[Boogie_Fever]

Shump's no savior. But he's a piece. That is the work. Tank tank tank is not the work. That's just gambling. You need to do it to get a star, but once you do, its time for the work. Little piece here. Complimentary piece there. Saavy signing here. My doubts run deep about the coach. Not about adding in defensive roleplayers.

Ben's a piece as well. He's shown improvement throughout the years but for whatever reason cannot get playing time with Karl. It would be a mistake to trade him away for a player that's always injured. This team is very restricted on the moves it can make due to not being able to trade draft picka till 2019 and not having very attractive parts other than DMC. With Karl most likely not gonna be here next year, I wouldn't alter this current squad till we get a new coach in place.

 

[Dbeltz24]

Is Shump that much better than Ben? And if so, why would the Cavs trade Shump when they will mostly likely be the number 1 seed? I feel like LeBron wouldn't be on board to trade for a lesser player during a championship run.

 

[Bricklayer]

Is Shump that much better than Ben? And if so, why would the Cavs trade Shump when they will mostly likely be the number 1 seed? I feel like LeBron wouldn't be on board to trade for a lesser player during a championship run.

A fair question, although a more likely scenario would be the Cavs wanting Koufos and Ben for Mozgov and Shump or somesuch. They are looking to solidify the center spot longterm in affordable manner.

And is Shump better than Ben? Yes. But only in that he has a specific application. He's not wildly talented, but he does one thing very well. If you need that one thing, he's automatically handy. Ben has no particular portfolio.

 

[hrdboild]

So maintain the status quo, and eat the Jarl Thompandry's contracts of the world while buying 13 dollar Heinekens at the sleep train got it.

Yeah, cause that's exactly what I said

Basically I just meant that I'm done caring. I'm just assuming now that they'll do the wrong thing. Ben is showing steady progress so of course we'll keep the coach who won't play him and trade him for a veteran so we can not make the playoffs anyway. They'll try to make George Karl happy by changing the roster then fire him and try to change the roster again. They'll let Rondo go and trade for someone worse. It doesn't matter. Nothing I think about this team matters, I have no control over it. They never do what I want them to do so why should I care? I hope they figure things out, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[hrdboild]

A fair question, although a more likely scenario would be the Cavs wanting Koufos and Ben for Mozgov and Shump or somesuch. They are looking to solidify the center spot longterm in affordable manner.

And is Shump better than Ben? Yes. But only in that he has a specific application. He's not wildly talented, but he does one thing very well. If you need that one thing, he's automatically handy. Ben has no particular portfolio.

Think about how awful Marco has been shooting the ball this year, then imagine paying someone who's been that bad for his career 10 million a year for the next 3 years. Most Kings fans don't even know what they want. Sure right now he's a defensive savior. Next year he's the reason why we can't win 40 games. I've seen this way too many times. Or don't you know? It's always the players' fault.

 

[Bricklayer]

Think about how awful Marco has been shooting the ball this year, then imagine paying someone who's been that bad for his career 10 million a year for the next 3 years. Most Kings fans don't even know what they want. Sure right now he's a defensive savior. Next year he's the reason why we can't win 40 games. I've seen this way too many times. Or don't you know? It's always the players' fault.

I perhaps have had an advantage of watching Marco play for 8 years now (although I would think many Kings fans watch more Spurs than I do because I don't terribly like them), but I'm really not worried about his career suddenly being over.

Kings fans this year...have been very very jittery and reactionary. Panicky even. Lot of agendas. Lot of grudges. Not much actual reasonableness or patience. Marco is not a worldbeater, but he's been a useful player on high level teams for many years now. Now he struggles for half a season and its:

He looks more comfortable starting. That might be a start. A new coach might be handy, but we'll see. Whatever it might be, I'd be willing to bet most of the calls we are getting on him are precisely from playoff teams looking for a little experienced shooting punch. And waht do you know, so are we.

 

[pshn80]

So we're now driving Ben away too?
This is kind of BS.

At least the Timberwolves are interested in him too. Not sure what I'd want from them though especially for "immediate help". I will riot if it's for K-Mart.

Driving him away? Almost anyone can see that the extremely modest progress of Ben over these three years would make both Ben and the team to seek a decent trade and a new opportunity for Ben. Ben has been driving us away and I am quite sure he nderstands this as a reaction to his stunted development to an NBA player of value.

 

[Dbeltz24]

I perhaps have had an advantage of watching Marco play for 8 years now (although I would think many Kings fans watch more Spurs than I do because I don't terribly like them), but I'm really not worried about his career suddenly being over.

Kings fans this year...have been very very jittery and reactionary. Panicky even. Lot of agendas. Lot of grudges. Not much actual reasonableness or patience. Marco is not a worldbeater, but he's been a useful player on high level teams for many years now. Now he struggles for half a season and its:

He looks more comfortable starting. That might be a start. A new coach might be handy, but we'll see. Whatever it might be, I'd be willing to bet most of the calls we are getting on him are precisely from playoff teams looking for a little experienced shooting punch. And waht do you know, so are we.

Pretty much agree with your take on Marco. I also think him adjusting to maybe a different/bigger role has led to him going thru a slump. Throughout his tenure in SAS, he was asked to do one thing basically and was familiar with Pop's system/players/spacing. Let's see how the next 30 games go for him and I think his numbers will increase. If his numbers stay like this the whole year tho there may be a problem.

 

[ockingsfan]

Trade Marco bellilini and play Ben and Curry more.

Problem solved.

 

[Bricklayer]

Trade Marco bellilini and play Ben and Curry more.

Problem solved.

Turning the position over to two struggling kids isn't really problem solving. We need vet moxie. I certainly think we also need a strong defensive option to Marco. But we need people who know what they are doing and just expect to win.