ESPN says Kings have decided to KEEP George Karl
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Reeks of damage control, which has been about 90% of Vlade's job so far. IF however, he was the one that talked Vivek into keeping Karl then he's got to take some of the blame.
That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if the Kings minority owners threw up a stink about potentially hiring another high profile coach (high cost) and Vlade knew it was either Karl or some coach they would get on the cheap.
That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if the Kings minority owners threw up a stink about potentially hiring another high profile coach (high cost) and Vlade knew it was either Karl or some coach they would get on the cheap.
Kings' announcers were speculating (or being told more like it). I think those guys know more than anyone on this board about what is going on within the team. The evidence comports with notion that the Kings FO were on the razors edge of firing Karl, not that the media didn't know what was going on. The FO looks likes fools.
If there was ever a time to fire our coach, this was it. You would think we would succeed at that, given our "fire our coach" mentality in recent years, but alas we have inexplicably decided to suck at the one thing we have been the best at.
The show goes on. Serves me right for buying league pass and expecting good things. I won't make that mistake twice, well for league pass anyway as I've been expecting good things now for 10 years and have been disappointed each year, though in amazingly different fashions.
The show goes on. Serves me right for buying league pass and expecting good things. I won't make that mistake twice, well for league pass anyway as I've been expecting good things now for 10 years and have been disappointed each year, though in amazingly different fashions.
If Vivek really wanted Karl gone he could pony up and cover his salary without obligating the minority owners. $10 million is like $10,000 to you or me.
It is also unreasonable to think Karl would agree to 50% or 70% or even 90% guaranteed contract (buyout). If Vlade/Vivek had this expectation he would go away for less than contractually due they are fooling themselves. If I am Karl and being forced out I will be collecting every last penny I am owed. I will not make it easy on them.
Any statement leaked regarding pending firing that did not factor in these issues reflects upon how this organization is being run: (1) you already know the minority owners are going push back on paying a third head coach so you better have contingency in place (2) Karl expects to be paid in full.
It is also unreasonable to think Karl would agree to 50% or 70% or even 90% guaranteed contract (buyout). If Vlade/Vivek had this expectation he would go away for less than contractually due they are fooling themselves. If I am Karl and being forced out I will be collecting every last penny I am owed. I will not make it easy on them.
Any statement leaked regarding pending firing that did not factor in these issues reflects upon how this organization is being run: (1) you already know the minority owners are going push back on paying a third head coach so you better have contingency in place (2) Karl expects to be paid in full.
Stepping back a bit and looking at it I can absolutely see Vlade's rationale.
Even if the Kings improved play under Corliss (if indeed he would be the interim coach) it's very unlikely that Big Nasty is the guy going forward. There's a very miniscule chance that Corliss could be a fantastic upgrade and earn the job but more likely Vlade would be looking for a long term replacement in the summer.
Even if Corliss were good he wouldn't get consideration. He'd have to be flat out great. Because Divac knows his job and his legacy are tied to getting things right and hiring a first time coach after a 30 game stint is a huge risk.
So he lets Karl finish the year. There's a small chance that GK can make enough adjustments to turn things around and have things looking good for next season.. Small chance, but greater than the chance of Williamson being the savior. If Karl could somehow pull that off, then you've potentially got a way to move forward with some continuity. If not, then you're still doing the same coaching search over the summer that you would be anyway.
Do I think Karl can pull that off? Nope. Not at all. I think he's too set in his ways and too stubborn to do so even though he has the acumen or at least had it at one time.
But it makes more sense to let him try than yet another firing and hoping another interim coach can make things better instead of worse.
Sheesh.
Even if the Kings improved play under Corliss (if indeed he would be the interim coach) it's very unlikely that Big Nasty is the guy going forward. There's a very miniscule chance that Corliss could be a fantastic upgrade and earn the job but more likely Vlade would be looking for a long term replacement in the summer.
Even if Corliss were good he wouldn't get consideration. He'd have to be flat out great. Because Divac knows his job and his legacy are tied to getting things right and hiring a first time coach after a 30 game stint is a huge risk.
So he lets Karl finish the year. There's a small chance that GK can make enough adjustments to turn things around and have things looking good for next season.. Small chance, but greater than the chance of Williamson being the savior. If Karl could somehow pull that off, then you've potentially got a way to move forward with some continuity. If not, then you're still doing the same coaching search over the summer that you would be anyway.
Do I think Karl can pull that off? Nope. Not at all. I think he's too set in his ways and too stubborn to do so even though he has the acumen or at least had it at one time.
But it makes more sense to let him try than yet another firing and hoping another interim coach can make things better instead of worse.
Sheesh.
Totally disagree on your last sentence. Vlade didn't hire him, and right now, he's trying to make the best out of a lousy situation, which for the most part is impossible, unless god steps in and used a miracle to turn the team around. Vlade is probably trying to choose the lesser of two evils. One is to let Karl finish the season, and then fire him. The other is to fire him now, and install Corliss as the interim coach. Which is a disservice to Corliss, and could put Vlade in a very uncomfortable situation at the end of the season if the team suddenly plays much better under Corliss. Do I relieve him, or do I sign him to a long term contract based on a very small sampling of evidence. I'm sure that Vlade has a better read on this team than we do. He see's it up close and personal. He can talk to the players who seem to trust Vlade.
Does anyone think that this team is suddenly going to turn things around because we fire Karl? What evidence is there to support that? Should Vlade make his decisions by holding his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. If your going to make decisions on what's popular at the moment, then you don't need a GM. Let's just take a vote once a month and see what we should do. I'm not saying that Vlade is right. I don't think there is a right answer right now. I agree, not having to listen to Karl after a game would be a blessing. Not seeing a bunch of midgets on the floor on a regular basis would be a gift from heaven. I do think Karl is gone, it's just a matter of when. Maybe holding our nose till the end of the season is the best way to go. Either way, my guess is that the results of the team will be the same. Unfortunately!
Does anyone think that this team is suddenly going to turn things around because we fire Karl? What evidence is there to support that? Should Vlade make his decisions by holding his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. If your going to make decisions on what's popular at the moment, then you don't need a GM. Let's just take a vote once a month and see what we should do. I'm not saying that Vlade is right. I don't think there is a right answer right now. I agree, not having to listen to Karl after a game would be a blessing. Not seeing a bunch of midgets on the floor on a regular basis would be a gift from heaven. I do think Karl is gone, it's just a matter of when. Maybe holding our nose till the end of the season is the best way to go. Either way, my guess is that the results of the team will be the same. Unfortunately!
They have guaranteed an unsuccessful outcome now.
Here are the possible outcomes:
a) Karl continues to coach, they continue to suck - Kings stupidly keep him and his hopelessly-flawed systems, maybe even trade Demarcus for promising hopes, and everything is crushed.
b) Same thing, except the Kings have to find a good coach during the offseason, but whoa ! - now no good coach will come here because of how horrible Sac looks, after the confirmation this year of all the outrageous stupidity of last year's coaching debacles.
c) They fire Karl, Corliss (or any interim) takes over and they start winning some - next season they look for a good coach and again, the same problem.
d) They fire Karl, interim takes over and they continue losing - next season, no established coach would dare think of coming here.
(oh - I forgot an option)
e) They keep Karl, just to fire him later this year - woohoo! Now it's impossible for you to look good!
As I predicted months ago, they've written themselves into a corner, with no margin for error, and now today they've killed all their chances of getting better.
Congrats, Kings! I really didn't think you would **** this up so badly, but you have somehow screwed up the nigh-guaranteed-success that a new stadium should have brought.
Here are the possible outcomes:
a) Karl continues to coach, they continue to suck - Kings stupidly keep him and his hopelessly-flawed systems, maybe even trade Demarcus for promising hopes, and everything is crushed.
b) Same thing, except the Kings have to find a good coach during the offseason, but whoa ! - now no good coach will come here because of how horrible Sac looks, after the confirmation this year of all the outrageous stupidity of last year's coaching debacles.
c) They fire Karl, Corliss (or any interim) takes over and they start winning some - next season they look for a good coach and again, the same problem.
d) They fire Karl, interim takes over and they continue losing - next season, no established coach would dare think of coming here.
(oh - I forgot an option)
e) They keep Karl, just to fire him later this year - woohoo! Now it's impossible for you to look good!
As I predicted months ago, they've written themselves into a corner, with no margin for error, and now today they've killed all their chances of getting better.
Congrats, Kings! I really didn't think you would **** this up so badly, but you have somehow screwed up the nigh-guaranteed-success that a new stadium should have brought.
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If you want to hear honest breakdowns of the Karl situation, don't listen to KHTK. All it is today is Nate bashing Demarcus and trying to sound intelligent, and JRoss agreeing.
Thankful today I can at least see some intelligence here on these boards. Lord knows there's none to be found in Kings land or on KHTK (morning show excluded).
Thankful today I can at least see some intelligence here on these boards. Lord knows there's none to be found in Kings land or on KHTK (morning show excluded).