Draft remorse: WCS over ____________(split)

ElRey · Jul 16, 2015

Was talking about the haters in general, but thanks for responding.

I agree with others that it is healthy to have a difference of opinions. It's just the way some people are coming off that are rubbing me the wrong way. Only seeing the bad , but not the good in a player. This I'm smarter than all of you and I'm so right attitude. (especially after Summer League) Frankly, the WCS haters would defuse all the hostility if they criticize WCS , but also add something in the end like " but I hope he does well and is able to help our team" But I rarely see that. For example,

" WCS is crap. can't defend, can't score, and can't rebound. WCS sucks and we should have taken Mudiay like I told you all from the start! "

vs

" I think we made a mistake with WCS. WCS lacks rebounding and offensive touch. But I like his shot blocking. I wish Kings had taken Mudiay, but I hope WCS works out for us."

These are made up quotes, but see the difference when saying the same thing?

KingsFanGER · Jul 16, 2015

ESP47 said:

And still I think that everyone actually watching the Summer League would agree, that talentwise Towns is on another level than Willie

ElRey · Jul 16, 2015

KingsFanGER said:

That's why he's the #1 pick.

I wouldn't put too much into Summer League stats.

Capt. Factorial · Jul 16, 2015

KingsFanGER said:

Well, he has different skills, but I have my concerns about Towns after watching him up close and personal for three games. Not strong enough to overpower the bigger guys, foul prone, forces bad shots, disappears for long stretches...he's got a lot to put together. I would not at all be surprised if WCS has a better rookie season.

Merdiesel · Jul 16, 2015

Summer league is a bit of a mess.

It's really hard to judge talent. Remember, Donte Greene dropped 40 in his first SL game.

WCS has made some insane plays on defense that looked very instinctual to me. Thats really all I'm looking for at this point.

206Fan · Jul 16, 2015

Why would anyone seriously draft Devin Booker after drafting Ben and Nik......throwing names just to throw names out there.

Chupacabra · Jul 16, 2015

I think WCS has looked really good in SL. Not totally sure what the naysayers are talking about. I dont see a clear difference in the quality of play between Mudiay and WCS. They effect the game in very different ways.

ESP47 · Jul 16, 2015

KingsFanGER said:

You're absolutely correct. I just posted it up to show that it's not like we have some turd on our hands here. WCS is only playing 20 min a game so he doesn't have much time to be putting up double doubles.

Towns is obviously better and while WCS has seemed underwhelming so far, his numbers have been pretty decent. Towns can carry a team, WCS needs solid players around him in the same way that Chandler or Deandre would. The fact that he's averaging 20 points per36 is an awesome sign to me. Shows us that his weakness isn't as weak as we may have thought.

Dime Dropper · Jul 16, 2015

Capt. Factorial said:

OK, just to go all the way down this rabbit hole...let's play a game called "What Is The Most Reasonable Interpretation Of Kingster's Statements?"

A1: "People are saying it's OK if WCS gets zero rebounds per game"
B1: "People are saying that if WCS is a poor rebounder this will not be a problem because he does other things"

A2: "People are saying that WCS will get zero rebounds because he will be away from the basket"
B2: "People are excusing poor rebounding from WCS on the basis of his positioning"

A3: "People are saying that Cousins will get all of the rebounds and WCS will get zero rebounds"
B3: "People are saying that it won't matter if WCS doesn't rebound well because we already have a strong rebounder"

I don't know about you, but when I read that post from Kingster, I interpreted his statements as B1, B2, and B3. I believe that I showed you that the B version of each statement was in fact made in this very thread. You seem to be interpreting his statements as the extreme A versions, and I have no idea why. I don't think those are reasonable interpretations at all. Perhaps it's the eye-rollies that have got you upset, I don't know.

At any rate, I don't think anybody needs to agree with Kingster's distaste for those arguments. (For my part, I have no distaste for B2 (seems commonsense to me), and I'm on the fence about B1 and B3 - both seem reasonable as far as they go but I'd certainly like to WCS get as many rebounds as possible and I can see how we might be hurt if he doesn't turn out to be a good rebounder.) But the idea that his summaries of the arguments he didn't like twisted those arguments into extremes, or that he was "trolling" (as stated by Chubbs) - well, I don't think either of those is true. What Kingster did seems to me no different that what is done in dozens of posts a week by dozens of different people.

If Kingster means B then he should state B, not A with a condescending tone. That's the whole point. Kingster regularly comes in and exaggerates people's points to make himself feel better and to get a reaction, then bows out and watches the fireworks. Any other website and he's probably banned for trolling.

I'm not going to argue any further, you can see what you want to see.

jcwkings · Jul 16, 2015

I dont get this WCS has looked underwhelming stuff. Maybe if you just glance at box scores or the fact that we dont go to him in the post for scoring. We knew this going in, ive simply been watching his movement and how he operates, how he handles pick and roll etc. Its all as advertised, he is a gazelle in the open floor and at his size he will get a lot of easy buckets just doing that. His intelligence on defense is already very high, especially for a rookie, his lateral quickness is amazing and his chasedown ability is off the charts. There have been a few blocks where I say "he's not gonna get there" and then in a split second he flips the burners and gets it. He looks like a predator out there sometimes, thats what we drafted him for.

ESP47 · Jul 16, 2015

jcwkings said:

I think it's the way he looks while rebounding and defending the strong side. He just kind of looks like he doesn't quiet know what he's doing or where to be half the time. Moreland's instincts look better in the facet but he doesn't have the natural ability that WCS has.

Like I said he's made some great plays and had some flashy blocks but some aspects of his game are a little goofy right now. Hopefully that gets coached up and not exposed once the season starts.

KingsFanSince85 · Jul 16, 2015

KingsFanGER said:

How so? I'd say that Towns is far more offensively polished, but more talented?? It really depends upon how one defines "talent". Willie appears to have the most physical talent -- e.g. height, length, athleticism. He also appears to be the most talented on the defensive side of the ball. Not just shot-blocking, but moving his feet, knowing where and how to position himself, etc. It seems you might be placing more emphasis on offensive talent. Sure, Towns has developed post skills that WCS either doesn't have or hasn't been able to show. But in terms of raw talent, I don't believe Towns has more than WCS. He's just a more developed offensive player.

On the whole, I actually believe WCS has a higher ceiling because of his athletic gifts and relative newness to the game. From what I have read, he didn't really being to focus on basketball until his Jr. or Sr. year in High school. That doesn't mean he will ever reach that ceiling or develop into a polished offensive player, but the potential is certainly there.

Mr. S£im Citrus · Jul 16, 2015

Dime Dropper said:

I agree with you in general, about this topic and the poster in question, but let's keep it one hundred: when you make a comment like that, you need to be cognizant of the fact that that mirror can be reflected back on you. I mean, let's not pretend that it's completely unreasonable for someone to interpret @Kingster's posts the way that @Capt. Factorial has chosen to interpret them. That's a perfectly reasonable interpretation; it's an interpretation that I disagree with, and that I think is wrong, but let's not act like Capt. pulled that out of his ass.

Hoovtrain · Jul 16, 2015

I loved listening to the CD/Karl interview this morning from Vegas. Very encouraging for Karl to say (i am paraphrasing) " generally do not play rookies, but from what i have seen from WCS...he will play good minutes for us this year...and that is exciting".

hrdboild · Jul 16, 2015

206Fan said:

I would have drafted him before I drafted Cauley-Stein, regardless of need, because I think he'll be a better pro. This isn't that complicated. I'm not just throwing out names.

ElRey said:

I don't understand when it became a thing that not liking somebody makes you a hater. For example: I like Bob Dylan's songwriting and his singing voice doesn't bother me but I can see why other people don't like it. I wouldn't call those people "haters", they just have a different aesthetic than I do, which is fine. Doesn't make me like him any less. It's the whole attitude of "you disagree with me so there must be something wrong with you" that makes discussion impossible.

And really this is just a difference of opinion. I watch Cauley-Stein and I see poor defensive fundamentals and occasional flashes of athletic brilliance. I think his understanding of the game defensively and his overall court awareness need a lot of work. Stats and highlight reels don't tell you much about either. I focused on watching only Cauley-Stein in the last three summer league games and the majority of the time I see him standing around while other players make plays. The ball goes up and he allows multiple players to slide in front of him for the rebound almost every time. People whose opinion I respect have been trying to convince me for years that Cauley-Stein is an elite prospect but I've watched him play over and over again and not once have I come away impressed. I don't see the need to sugar coat that. I haven't said that he sucks, that he can't defend, or that he can't rebound. He's an NBA level athlete who's skill level is far from NBA ready. All of those areas can be improved if he wants to improve, knows how to improve, and works hard enough. But it doesn't happen automatically either.

The only thing that really bothers me about Mudiay is when people say that nobody knew anything about him so he was a complete mystery. You're going to tell me that I knew nothing about him before the draft? This guy was the top rated PG in his high school class, played in all of the high school All Star games, and played in 12 televised games in the Chinese League. There's as much quality tape of his pre-draft credentials out there as there is of most one and done college freshmen. I don't accept that argument at all. I understand that a lot of people personally might not feel like they knew enough about them, but that's on you for failing to do research. It doesn't apply to everyone.

And I'm just really sick of the "wink, wink ,nudge, nudge, you-know-who" insinuations. I don't care if my posts were specifically implicated or not, it's childish and unnecessary regardless. Anybody who's taking the time to watch summer league games is a big enough fan I think to be above this level of finger pointing. I feel like I've been put on the defensive from day one because I'm not in line with the majority opinion on Cauley-Stein. It's rather shocking to me that so many people can watch the same exact games I'm watching and come away with such a different opinion but I can't see what anyone else is seeing any more than I can make you see what I'm seeing. I will say though, not that I should even have to say this, but it would make me a heck of a lot happier to see Cauley-Stein morph into a defensive monster and propel us into a deep playoff run than it would to see him fail and say I told you so. I know what the end goal is here and I'm a fan of the Kings first and foremost.

giantking1355 · Jul 16, 2015

Livinthedream said:

Umm, no it's not.

randymoss1881 · Jul 16, 2015

Since we know this started after mudiyas game vs us let's look at his performence as a whole:

8points- 1assist- 7TO 4/9 shooting
10points- 8assists-5TO 4/13shooting
19points- 10assists- 6TO 7/15shoot
11points- 4assists- 2TO 5/15shooting

He finished with 23assists and 20 turnovers while shooting 38%.

miltonap · Jul 16, 2015

Mudiays gonna be a boss. I don't regret the WCS pick one bit tho. That guys gonna be a great pro

Livinthedream · Jul 16, 2015

giantking1355 said:

I don't know who you are. If you have something to say, just say it.

If you have a basketball opinion then state it.

If you just want to troll, then go away.

Bricklayer · Jul 16, 2015

randymoss1881 said:

See this is unnecessary too.

The two things aren't related. That's the whole problem. Mudiay can rock the house or Mudiay can suck, and neither circumstance has anything to do with our WCS pick, which was a rational one exactly filling a long identified need. He doesn't need to fail for WCS to succeed anymore than WCS has to be run down to make Mudiay look like the right pick. This isn't the wrongheadedness of the Thomas Robinson pick. We made the right pick for us, doubly and triply so as we've seen what our overall strategy this season is going to be. Mudiay can go be great on his own terms, that's fine. He's been better than Russel in this tournament. We took a shot at getting what we needed, and early returns look promising. Length, mobility, rim protection.

IfAt1st · Jul 16, 2015

randymoss1881 said:

I think looking at his stats is relevant, and fair to a point.
Any PG who doesn't get as many points as they do shot attempts AND barely ekes out a >1 Assist/TO ratio (against the relatively-woeful PG competition in the SL) is definitely not showing signs of stardom.

hrdboild has been excessively critical of WCS's lack of dominance against the SL competition, saying WCS is a danger sign because he relies on physicality and he won't have those physical advantages against NBA competition.
Well, that's not being consistent because PG's are even more reliant on their physicality, and if Mudiay can't dominate SL PG's, how is he going to perform when he can't rely on his physicality advantage over true NBA PGs?

Oh, yeah - and Devin f-ing Booker is not going to be better than WCS in the NBA.
Book(er) it.

206Fan · Jul 17, 2015

hrdboild said:

I would have drafted him before I drafted Cauley-Stein, regardless of need, because I think he'll be a better pro. This isn't that complicated. I'm not just throwing out names.

I don't understand when it became a thing that not liking somebody makes you a hater. For example: I like Bob Dylan's songwriting and his singing voice doesn't bother me but I can see why other people don't like it. I wouldn't call those people "haters", they just have a different aesthetic than I do, which is fine. Doesn't make me like him any less. It's the whole attitude of "you disagree with me so there must be something wrong with you" that makes discussion impossible.

And really this is just a difference of opinion. I watch Cauley-Stein and I see poor defensive fundamentals and occasional flashes of athletic brilliance. I think his understanding of the game defensively and his overall court awareness need a lot of work. Stats and highlight reels don't tell you much about either. I focused on watching only Cauley-Stein in the last three summer league games and the majority of the time I see him standing around while other players make plays. The ball goes up and he allows multiple players to slide in front of him for the rebound almost every time. People whose opinion I respect have been trying to convince me for years that Cauley-Stein is an elite prospect but I've watched him play over and over again and not once have I come away impressed. I don't see the need to sugar coat that. I haven't said that he sucks, that he can't defend, or that he can't rebound. He's an NBA level athlete who's skill level is far from NBA ready. All of those areas can be improved if he wants to improve, knows how to improve, and works hard enough. But it doesn't happen automatically either.

The only thing that really bothers me about Mudiay is when people say that nobody knew anything about him so he was a complete mystery. You're going to tell me that I knew nothing about him before the draft? This guy was the top rated PG in his high school class, played in all of the high school All Star games, and played in 12 televised games in the Chinese League. There's as much quality tape of his pre-draft credentials out there as there is of most one and done college freshmen. I don't accept that argument at all. I understand that a lot of people personally might not feel like they knew enough about them, but that's on you for failing to do research. It doesn't apply to everyone.

And I'm just really sick of the "wink, wink ,nudge, nudge, you-know-who" insinuations. I don't care if my posts were specifically implicated or not, it's childish and unnecessary regardless. Anybody who's taking the time to watch summer league games is a big enough fan I think to be above this level of finger pointing. I feel like I've been put on the defensive from day one because I'm not in line with the majority opinion on Cauley-Stein. It's rather shocking to me that so many people can watch the same exact games I'm watching and come away with such a different opinion but I can't see what anyone else is seeing any more than I can make you see what I'm seeing. I will say though, not that I should even have to say this, but it would make me a heck of a lot happier to see Cauley-Stein morph into a defensive monster and propel us into a deep playoff run than it would to see him fail and say I told you so. I know what the end goal is here and I'm a fan of the Kings first and foremost.

I'm sorry but that's a big freaking joke to even drsft Booker over WCS. I hope he proves you all damn wrong, don't show yourself as a Kings fan once he wins DPOY .go ahead and dislike a draft sure...but you're not even giving him the chance to let him see what he can do in the NBA stage. He hasn't proved anything yet, but let him before you day you'd rather draft someone like a Devin Booker over him. That is laughable. And it's a shame, because I highly respect your opinion. Nothing against you, but hope you're all freaking wrong because I want to see our rookie to succeed.

Tetsujin · Jul 17, 2015

206Fan said:

I'm sorry but that's a big freaking joke to even drsft Booker over WCS. I hope he proves you all damn wrong, don't show yourself as a Kings fan once he wins DPOY .go ahead and dislike a draft sure...but you're not even giving him the chance to let him see what he can do in the NBA stage. He hasn't proved anything yet, but let him before you day you'd rather draft someone like a Devin Booker over him. That is laughable. And it's a shame, because I highly respect your opinion. Nothing against you, but hope you're all freaking wrong because I want to see our rookie to succeed.

To be fair, at one point, I apparently once advocated drafting Wes Johnson over Greg Monroe.

KingsFanGER · Jul 17, 2015

KingsFanSince85 said:

Sorry but I have to disagree on the bolded part of your post. This strikes me as the weakness of Willie right now. Nothing a good coach can't fix over time, so I'm not worried about it, but expect that this will limit Willies minutes during his rookie season. Moreland has a better understanding how to position himself than Willie right now, but is not on the same level physically.

Towns on the other hand looks like he knows how to get in a good position for a rebound and how to position himself on defense. His court awareness seems to be his biggest advantage over Willie right now.
He seems to be stronger and almost equally mobile as Willie. And on offense he has shown nice flashes of a mid range game, post fundamentals and passing skills.
It's way too early to pass any judgement over the rookies. I personally think, that almost noone can really predict, how most of the college players translate to the NBA. This whole talk about floors and ceilings is premature to me. The majority of the players is not destined to become an NBA Star coming out of college. Those who achieve the ultimate goal most of the time get there, because of their work ethic and being drafted to the right situation.
Nobody could have known, that Leonard would be a finals MVP or that Curry would be the MVP and win a championship a few years in their NBA careers.
After two to three years in the league we all will know, who is the front runner of the draft class of 2015.

There were good reasons for the Kings to pick Willie. I agree he has awesome tools to built on. Now it's up to him to work hard on his game and up to the Kings to give him a clear direction for his development and help him the best they can.
After all the vision of a 7' foot athlete with unreal footspeed, who might be able to play off Cousins on offense, hit open jumpshots, finish lop passes and easy looks at the rim, while being a true modern defensive PF is very encouraging to say the least.

hrdboild · Jul 17, 2015

206Fan said:

What do you have against Devin Booker? Klay Thompson was a mid first round pick and he's done pretty well for himself, made 3rd team all-NBA this year. You completely took that the wrong way. I wasn't throwing out the names of bad players as if to say Cauley-Stein is a joke. I really like all of the players I mentioned. I had Devin Booker in the 8-10 range on pure talent. And who says I'm not giving Cauley-Stein a chance on the NBA stage? I never came even close to calling him a bust. The main thing I said which people are taking way too personally is that I think he's less talented than a hand full of other prospects. Just my opinion based on everything I've seen. You're telling me that Cauley-Stein will win DPOY. That's far and away a more radical statement than anything I've said about him.

IfAt1st said:

I don't think I'm being excessively critical (whatever that actually means) -- I've made some critical comments that certain people are blowing way out of proportion. As if daring to express anything critical at all is unforgivable. I don't expect dominance, I don't expect big-time stats. I just wish Cauley-Stein would play smarter and more aggressively out there. He looks a little lost and/or passive far too much for my liking. I don't see defensive dominance. And it's not just Kings fans saying he's going to be a great defender, it's the vast majority of draft pundits. But they're wrong every single year about high-profile prospects. I don't feel the need to follow what anybody else thinks.

And if it makes you feel any better, Mudiay played terribly today. Atlanta had bigger guards on their team and they swarmed him every time he touched the ball and forced him out of his comfort zone. Against our team he was sucking in defenders and then passing the ball when he wanted to. Atlanta forced him to pass the ball sooner than he wanted to and as a result he was completely ineffective. Then he overcompensated in the fourth quarter by putting his head down and attacking the basket carelessly which resulted in some bad misses at the rim. I'm not married to Mudiay or anything -- he's got a lot of work to do too. I don't understand why it pisses you off so much that I might want to watch a game and compliment a player on the other team. I do this all season long when I feel like it's warranted, why is it suddenly a problem in summer league?

And it's hilarious to me that people still want to make this into some kind of Mudiay vs. WCS war of ideologies when I said all along that the player I wanted us to draft was Stanley Johnson. Sortof reminds me of the 2009 draft when I didn't want Tyreke Evans or Ricky Rubio, I wanted Brandon Jennings. Nobody but me wanted Brandon Jennings at #4 -- nobody. Nobody but me wanted Stanley Johnson at #6. Do I care one bit? No. I stand by my observations. And I grew to love Tyreke when he was with the Kings so there's no reason why I can't grow to love Cauley-Stein too.

KingsFanGER · Jul 17, 2015

hrdboild said:

10 years at KingsFans.com and still suprised by this?

jdbraver · Jul 17, 2015

hrdboild said:

What do you have against Devin Booker? Klay Thompson was a mid first round pick and he's done pretty well for himself, made 3rd team all-NBA this year. You completely took that the wrong way. I wasn't throwing out the names of bad players as if to say Cauley-Stein is a joke. I really like all of the players I mentioned. I had Devin Booker in the 8-10 range on pure talent. And who says I'm not giving Cauley-Stein a chance on the NBA stage? I never came even close to calling him a bust. The main thing I said which people are taking way too personally is that I think he's less talented than a hand full of other prospects. Just my opinion based on everything I've seen. You're telling me that Cauley-Stein will win DPOY. That's far and away a more radical statement than anything I've said about him.

I don't think I'm being excessively critical (whatever that actually means) -- I've made some critical comments that certain people are blowing way out of proportion. As if daring to express anything critical at all is unforgivable. I don't expect dominance, I don't expect big-time stats. I just wish Cauley-Stein would play smarter and more aggressively out there. He looks a little lost and/or passive far too much for my liking. I don't see defensive dominance. And it's not just Kings fans saying he's going to be a great defender, it's the vast majority of draft pundits. But they're wrong every single year about high-profile prospects. I don't feel the need to follow what anybody else thinks.

And if it makes you feel any better, Mudiay played terribly today. Atlanta had bigger guards on their team and they swarmed him every time he touched the ball and forced him out of his comfort zone. Against our team he was sucking in defenders and then passing the ball when he wanted to. Atlanta forced him to pass the ball sooner than he wanted to and as a result he was completely ineffective. Then he overcompensated in the fourth quarter by putting his head down and attacking the basket carelessly which resulted in some bad misses at the rim. I'm not married to Mudiay or anything -- he's got a lot of work to do too. I don't understand why it pisses you off so much that I might want to watch a game and compliment a player on the other team. I do this all season long when I feel like it's warranted, why is it suddenly a problem in summer league?

And it's hilarious to me that people still want to make this into some kind of Mudiay vs. WCS war of ideologies when I said all along that the player I wanted us to draft was Stanley Johnson. Sortof reminds me of the 2009 draft when I didn't want Tyreke Evans or Ricky Rubio, I wanted Brandon Jennings. Nobody but me wanted Brandon Jennings at #4 -- nobody. Nobody but me wanted Stanley Johnson at #6. Do I care one bit? No. I stand by my observations. And I grew to love Tyreke when he was with the Kings so there's no reason why I can't grow to love Cauley-Stein too.

I have no idea what games you were watching. WCS was clearly one of the best players on the floor. Occasionally he would go for a block and get out of rebounding position. But that was more because of the run and gun flow of the game. Heck he even made adjustments after his one rebound game to keep rebounding in mind. Other than That he controlled the game defensively while he was in. What exactly are you looking for him to do? Your expectations are unclear. You said smarter and more aggressive. He aggressively goes after defenders and is smartly adjusting from game to game to maximize his effort in the best circumstance. Blocking v rebounding. Again what r u seeing?

Kingster · Jul 17, 2015

Chubbs said:

Bull ****. Every statement is grounded in ton of previous posts of other posters. If Cap'n looked at every single post and analyzed them, I'll have to track that one long mother post down and read over the next week.

Kingster · Jul 17, 2015

Capt. Factorial said:

OK, just to go all the way down this rabbit hole...let's play a game called "What Is The Most Reasonable Interpretation Of Kingster's Statements?"

A1: "People are saying it's OK if WCS gets zero rebounds per game"
B1: "People are saying that if WCS is a poor rebounder this will not be a problem because he does other things"

A2: "People are saying that WCS will get zero rebounds because he will be away from the basket"
B2: "People are excusing poor rebounding from WCS on the basis of his positioning"

A3: "People are saying that Cousins will get all of the rebounds and WCS will get zero rebounds"
B3: "People are saying that it won't matter if WCS doesn't rebound well because we already have a strong rebounder"

I don't know about you, but when I read that post from Kingster, I interpreted his statements as B1, B2, and B3. I believe that I showed you that the B version of each statement was in fact made in this very thread. You seem to be interpreting his statements as the extreme A versions, and I have no idea why. I don't think those are reasonable interpretations at all. Perhaps it's the eye-rollies that have got you upset, I don't know.

At any rate, I don't think anybody needs to agree with Kingster's distaste for those arguments. (For my part, I have no distaste for B2 (seems commonsense to me), and I'm on the fence about B1 and B3 - both seem reasonable as far as they go but I'd certainly like to WCS get as many rebounds as possible and I can see how we might be hurt if he doesn't turn out to be a good rebounder.) But the idea that his summaries of the arguments he didn't like twisted those arguments into extremes, or that he was "trolling" (as stated by Chubbs) - well, I don't think either of those is true. What Kingster did seems to me no different that what is done in dozens of posts a week by dozens of different people.

I think you are correct with what is meant: B1, B2, B3.

Chubbs · Jul 17, 2015

Kingster said:

No, every statement was written with the intent to start a fight and misstated with clear intent to derail the thread. Which it did. And now you're back at it.

I'll do what 50% of this board already does, and block you. I won't miss much.

Goodbye.

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