Kings free agency, part 3
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Houston Rockets Rumors: Josh Smith, Sacramento Kings Deal Option After Corey Brewer, Patrick Beverley Signed? Rudy Gay, Rajon Rondo Recruit with DeMarcus Cousins
http://www.sportsworldreport.com/ar...-gay-rajon-rondo-recruit-demarcus-cousins.htm
http://www.sportsworldreport.com/ar...-gay-rajon-rondo-recruit-demarcus-cousins.htm
I am guessing this will be the case. If you need spacing, you can run three out of four of Rondo, Collison, Ben and Bellinelli along with Gay and Cousins. Rondo may actually be better at defending twos after his injury. He is small, but has a ridiculous 6'9" wingspan, so guarding taller twos isn't a big problem. Assuming the starting lineup is Rondo, Ben, Gay, Koufos, Cousins, I wouldn't be shocked to see Rondo guarding twos primarily and let Ben guard the point.
This seems like a lot of speculation. I mean, the article says that the Kings are willing to spend the money that Houston isn't...but we have basically zero to spend. If all the numbers line up in our favor, maybe $4M tops. I'd love to think that Smith would take that, but it's not like we can possibly outbid the Rockets, who could use their full MLE.
There's been a lot of back and forth on the cap situation, so let me set the record straight. If Basketball Insiders is correct (and they have been the most accurate site I have come across so far http://www.basketballinsiders.com/sacramento-kings-team-salary/), this is our cap situation:
DeMarcus Cousins $15,851,950
Rudy Gay $12,403,101
Rajon Rondo $9,500,000
Kostas Koufos $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $6,000,000
Darren Collison $5,013,559
Ben McLemore $3,156,600
Willie Cauley-Stein (Cap Hold) $2,831,900
Ray McCallum $947,276
Wayne Ellington (Stretch) $882,630
Eric Moreland $845,059
David Stockton $845,059
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Total Payroll = $65,802,227
Salary Cap = $69,100,000
Cap Space = $3,297,773
**This is assuming Casspi's deal is the room exception and Anderson's deal is the veteran minimum. If this is the case, these deals would not be counted against the cap just yet because they would be processed after we have used up our cap space (or I hope that is their plan).
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If we waive Stockton, this is our cap situation:
DeMarcus Cousins $15,851,950
Rudy Gay $12,403,101
Rajon Rondo $9,500,000
Kostas Koufos $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $6,000,000
Darren Collison $5,013,559
Ben McLemore $3,156,600
Willie Cauley-Stein (Cap Hold) $2,831,900
Ray McCallum $947,276
Wayne Ellington (Stretch) $882,630
Eric Moreland $845,059
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Total Payroll = $65,482,261
Salary Cap = $69,100,000
Cap Space = $3,617,739
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If we waive McCallum & Stockton, this is our cap situation:
DeMarcus Cousins $15,851,950
Rudy Gay $12,403,101
Rajon Rondo $9,500,000
Kostas Koufos $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $6,000,000
Darren Collison $5,013,559
Ben McLemore $3,156,600
Willie Cauley-Stein (Cap Hold) $2,831,900
Wayne Ellington (Stretch) $882,630
Eric Moreland $845,059
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Total Payroll = $65,060,078
Salary Cap = $69,100,000
Cap Space = $4,039,922
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If we waive Moreland, McCallum, & Stockton, this is our cap situation:
DeMarcus Cousins $15,851,950
Rudy Gay $12,403,101
Rajon Rondo $9,500,000
Kostas Koufos $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $6,000,000
Darren Collison $5,013,559
Ben McLemore $3,156,600
Willie Cauley-Stein (Cap Hold) $2,831,900
Wayne Ellington (Stretch) $882,630
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Total Payroll = $64,740,112
Salary Cap = $69,100,000
Cap Space = $4,359,888
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I prefer waiving Stockton, spending $3.6 mil on Josh Smith, using the Room Exception on Casspi, and then adding Andre Miller, Reggie Evans, & James Anderson to veteran minimum deals.
PG - Rondo/Collison/Miller/McCallum
SG - McLemore/Belinelli/Anderson
SF - Gay/Casspi
PF - Cousins/Smith/Evans/Moreland
C - Koufos/Cauley-Stein
The funny thing is you could have a very, very halfcourt oriented lineup in Rondo/Belinelli/Gay/Cousins/Koufos but then have a very, very uptempo lineup in Collison/McLemore/Casspi/Smith/Cauley-Stein. Our versatility is pretty insane if you think about it. Smith would only increase that versatility.
DeMarcus Cousins $15,851,950
Rudy Gay $12,403,101
Rajon Rondo $9,500,000
Kostas Koufos $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $6,000,000
Darren Collison $5,013,559
Ben McLemore $3,156,600
Willie Cauley-Stein (Cap Hold) $2,831,900
Ray McCallum $947,276
Wayne Ellington (Stretch) $882,630
Eric Moreland $845,059
David Stockton $845,059
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Total Payroll = $65,802,227
Salary Cap = $69,100,000
Cap Space = $3,297,773
**This is assuming Casspi's deal is the room exception and Anderson's deal is the veteran minimum. If this is the case, these deals would not be counted against the cap just yet because they would be processed after we have used up our cap space (or I hope that is their plan).
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If we waive Stockton, this is our cap situation:
DeMarcus Cousins $15,851,950
Rudy Gay $12,403,101
Rajon Rondo $9,500,000
Kostas Koufos $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $6,000,000
Darren Collison $5,013,559
Ben McLemore $3,156,600
Willie Cauley-Stein (Cap Hold) $2,831,900
Ray McCallum $947,276
Wayne Ellington (Stretch) $882,630
Eric Moreland $845,059
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Total Payroll = $65,482,261
Salary Cap = $69,100,000
Cap Space = $3,617,739
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If we waive McCallum & Stockton, this is our cap situation:
DeMarcus Cousins $15,851,950
Rudy Gay $12,403,101
Rajon Rondo $9,500,000
Kostas Koufos $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $6,000,000
Darren Collison $5,013,559
Ben McLemore $3,156,600
Willie Cauley-Stein (Cap Hold) $2,831,900
Wayne Ellington (Stretch) $882,630
Eric Moreland $845,059
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Total Payroll = $65,060,078
Salary Cap = $69,100,000
Cap Space = $4,039,922
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If we waive Moreland, McCallum, & Stockton, this is our cap situation:
DeMarcus Cousins $15,851,950
Rudy Gay $12,403,101
Rajon Rondo $9,500,000
Kostas Koufos $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $6,000,000
Darren Collison $5,013,559
Ben McLemore $3,156,600
Willie Cauley-Stein (Cap Hold) $2,831,900
Wayne Ellington (Stretch) $882,630
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Undrafted Rookie FA (Cap Hold) $525,093
Total Payroll = $64,740,112
Salary Cap = $69,100,000
Cap Space = $4,359,888
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I prefer waiving Stockton, spending $3.6 mil on Josh Smith, using the Room Exception on Casspi, and then adding Andre Miller, Reggie Evans, & James Anderson to veteran minimum deals.
PG - Rondo/Collison/Miller/McCallum
SG - McLemore/Belinelli/Anderson
SF - Gay/Casspi
PF - Cousins/Smith/Evans/Moreland
C - Koufos/Cauley-Stein
The funny thing is you could have a very, very halfcourt oriented lineup in Rondo/Belinelli/Gay/Cousins/Koufos but then have a very, very uptempo lineup in Collison/McLemore/Casspi/Smith/Cauley-Stein. Our versatility is pretty insane if you think about it. Smith would only increase that versatility.
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Yeah, another online "article" that seems to just be stringing a few things together. Especially since it refers to Smith as a "guard" toward the end.
The Kings MIGHT have $4M or so to spend IF Omri signed using the room exception and Stockton is waived. But Houston has Smith's Bird Rights and the MLE so it really depends on how much they want him back.
With the new deals for Beverley and Brewer and signing Dekker and Harrell to their rookie contracts I think the Rockets will be at the luxury tax threshold. And they've already said they'd match all offers for KJ McDaniels. Maybe they don't want to go deep into the luxury tax this season for Josh Smith. Or maybe he would really prefer to play with Rondo and Rudy. Both could be possible. But I think it's still more likely that he ends up back in Houston than in Sacramento.
But I'm still trying to figure out if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I've never liked Smith's horrible inefficiency on offense but there's a part of me that thinks he could really do well in Karl's system.
The Kings MIGHT have $4M or so to spend IF Omri signed using the room exception and Stockton is waived. But Houston has Smith's Bird Rights and the MLE so it really depends on how much they want him back.
With the new deals for Beverley and Brewer and signing Dekker and Harrell to their rookie contracts I think the Rockets will be at the luxury tax threshold. And they've already said they'd match all offers for KJ McDaniels. Maybe they don't want to go deep into the luxury tax this season for Josh Smith. Or maybe he would really prefer to play with Rondo and Rudy. Both could be possible. But I think it's still more likely that he ends up back in Houston than in Sacramento.
But I'm still trying to figure out if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I've never liked Smith's horrible inefficiency on offense but there's a part of me that thinks he could really do well in Karl's system.
It's completely unguaranteed. However, the Kings must have 12 roster slots accounted for at all times. You'll notice that in my breakdown that when Stockton is waived, another "Undrafted Rookie FA Cap Hold" is included (to keep us at 12 players). This cap hold is $525,093, so by waiving Stockton ($845,059), you're really only creating $319,966 in cap space ($845,059 - $525,093 = $319,966).
I hope someone can clarify things for me in regards to signing Josh Smith. I believe he is still on the pistons payroll (10 mill stretched over 2 years) So would any money from the Kings under the 5 or 10 mill number have any impact on him or does it just off set the Detroit money? My point being is there any reason to offer him more the vet min if we can't offer more than 5 mill?
Okay, (and maybe I'm dense) but if we sign a player with the existing caproom then that cap hold wouldn't be in play right? So theoretically we could offer Josh Smith or Dorell Wright the full $4M and change and the roster hold created by releasing Stockton wouldn't exist since we've now filled a roster spot, correct?
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Kings free agent center Ryan Hollins garnering interest from the Kings and Pelicans, a source said.
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Kings free agent center Ryan Hollins garnering interest from the Kings and Pelicans, a source said.
Correct. Right now we have 10 players (not including Anderson or Casspi for the reasons stated earlier). Cauley-Stein's cap hold bring us to 11 roster positions accounted for and Ellington's stretch does not count as a roster spot so that means we have 11 spots accounted for. If you fall below 12 spots, you are automatically given undrafted rookie FA cap holds until you are at 12 spots, so in this case, we have 1 undrafted rookie FA cap hold in place.
If we waive Stockton, we just lost another player so we have to add another undrafted rookie FA cap hold to bring us back to 12. If we were to sign another player (Josh Smith), one of our undrafted rookie cap holds would disappear considering Josh Smith would now hold the 11th roster slot.
The weird thing is if we waive Stockton and sign Smith to say a deal that is only $2 mil in it's first year, we would actually still have another $2 mil to spend. This is how it would work:
EDIT: To summarize a bit, we could offer one player $3.6 mil or we could offer two players $2 mil each and our cap space will be completely used up (this is under the assumption that Stockton is waived).
If we waive Stockton, we just lost another player so we have to add another undrafted rookie FA cap hold to bring us back to 12. If we were to sign another player (Josh Smith), one of our undrafted rookie cap holds would disappear considering Josh Smith would now hold the 11th roster slot.
The weird thing is if we waive Stockton and sign Smith to say a deal that is only $2 mil in it's first year, we would actually still have another $2 mil to spend. This is how it would work:
- Current Roster: Cap Space = $3,297,773
- Waive Stockton: Cap Space = $3,617,739 ($3,297,773 + ($845,059 - $525,093))
- Sign Josh Smith for $2 mil: Cap Space = $2,142,832 ($3,617,739 - ($2,000,000 - $525,093))
EDIT: To summarize a bit, we could offer one player $3.6 mil or we could offer two players $2 mil each and our cap space will be completely used up (this is under the assumption that Stockton is waived).
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Okay, I'm not entirely sure that I know how waivers work with multi-year contracts, but my understanding is that Smith still gets his Detroit contract no matter what for the next few years. Whatever money he gets paid by his eventual team is just offset by the Detroit dollars, meaning Sacramento should be able to sign him for vet minimum and the difference is made up by the Pistons. It may even be preferable to sign a minimum contract here for a year as the state taxes would come out of wherever the paycheck is drawn, so he would pay lower Michigan taxes on the Detroit paycheck.
Am I very wrong on this?
In any case, he had some great chemistry with Dwight in Houston at the end of the season last year, and those two are close friends from AAU days. Even with Rudy and Rondo on the team, I don't see him leaving a guaranteed winning situation.
Am I very wrong on this?
In any case, he had some great chemistry with Dwight in Houston at the end of the season last year, and those two are close friends from AAU days. Even with Rudy and Rondo on the team, I don't see him leaving a guaranteed winning situation.
"Hi there Josh, this is Rajon and Rudy, we're putting the Band back together!!"
We got $3,617,739 for ya this season
and we can both get paid next year when the cap goes up next year after we make the playoffs
We have always wanted to play together! Now is the time!
If you don't come we will show up here at your favorite restaurant every night and fling
shrimp at each other until you sign!
We got $3,617,739 for ya this season
and we can both get paid next year when the cap goes up next year after we make the playoffs
We have always wanted to play together! Now is the time!
If you don't come we will show up here at your favorite restaurant every night and fling
shrimp at each other until you sign!
Katie has argued he's a good lockerroom guy, so while Reggie would be my preference given that we have 3 near 7 footers already, Hollins will of course be a vet min, and if he's popular, why not as the 14th man or whatever?
If it were me though I'd wait to see what Moreland looked like in Summer League first.
If it were me though I'd wait to see what Moreland looked like in Summer League first.
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As a resident All world wide income is taxable in Calif
Some out-of-state games might generate an non-resident tax, but then usually either that state or calif would give a tax credit for the lower tax to avoid double taxation
Net effect all income would be subject to Calif tax rate
Source of the check , not an issue, it is where the income is earned