Casspi is staying! (updated)

Sac.1989

Sac.1989

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hopefully we can work something out.

if other teams are interested then it will be an issue. Omri hasnt made as much money as he would have liked in his NBA career which nearly saw him out of the league.

he will go where the money is, IF there is a significant disparity. Its a business for us as much as it is for him.

God i love the kid though. fingers crossed
 
ParniValjak

ParniValjak

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I like Omri a lot and want him back but not at any cost! One of the reasons we all liked Omri last season is because he was a great "value for money" player for us. At some point the price is not right for us!

Omri has probably seen DWill get $5 million per season and is thinking I am worth at least that much! Fact is, he is not (neither is DWill). Omri is good value with anywhere from $2.8-4 million per season. Anything more than that and I am saying no thanks regardless of chemistry or sentimental value. I think a bigger priority for us might be another PF who can spebd some time at SF than Omri.
 
TheJewishKing

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I really hope that both parties will be able to reach an agreement soon enough, Casspi is a player that should be signed for a contract of about 3-4 million dollar per season, he was great for us last season, a true glue guy, and as far as I know, both George Karl and DeMarcus Cousins are siding with Casspi and request the management to sign Casspi for a contract.

I really hope I will hear soon enough that Casspi was re-signed to the Kings, it will make me very happy.
 
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arusinov

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I think if Josh Smith is signed, Casspi will not sign even if MLE contract of some ~$3 mln per year will be somehow scrambled and proposed. Casspi had enough preseasons when he was projected to be "deep bench" man, he probably doesn't want another one...
 
ParniValjak

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arusinov said:
I think if Josh Smith is signed, Casspi will not sign even if MLE contract of some ~$3 mln per year will be somehow scrambled and proposed. Casspi had enough preseasons when he was projected to be "deep bench" man, he probably doesn't want another one...
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That's all well and good BUT it all depends what other teams see him as. Let's not forget that 12 months ago he was almost out of the league. He got waived by NO and no other team was interested in him besides the Kings. He might have a couple of more interested teams but I very much doubt it's at the salary that he might be hoping for.

I still think he will be back with us when we sign the rest of the required pieces unless he decides to go back to aeurope to be the main man!
 
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arusinov

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Čarolija said:
That's all well and good BUT it all depends what other teams see him as. Let's not forget that 12 months ago he was almost out of the league. He got waived by NO and no other team was interested in him besides the Kings. He might have a couple of more interested teams but I very much doubt it's at the salary that he might be hoping for.

I still think he will be back with us when we sign the rest of the required pieces unless he decides to go back to aeurope to be the main man!
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I think he really wants to be in Sacramento... But if Josh Smith is signed he will go to any team where he has chance to play more. Behind Gay + Smith (can play at 3 & 4) and Koufos + WCS (can play at 4/5 with Cousins) he will not stay... There're some teams which will sign him and give chance to play (it doesn't mean he will get there $5 mln per year or something like it...) . While he's long way from be a star... he's also not in the last year's position - which also was aggravated by decision of Rockets to throw him in trade which was for techical reasons (McHale said he wanted Casspi to stay) and by stupid decision of Pelicans to waive him - because they've seen him as mostly strech-4 just because McHale used him this way...
 
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TheJewishKing

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Čarolija said:
That's all well and good BUT it all depends what other teams see him as. Let's not forget that 12 months ago he was almost out of the league. He got waived by NO and no other team was interested in him besides the Kings. He might have a couple of more interested teams but I very much doubt it's at the salary that he might be hoping for.

I still think he will be back with us when we sign the rest of the required pieces unless he decides to go back to aeurope to be the main man!
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Sometimes I just can't understand the mind of the people in the managements, I mean I don't want to disrespect certain players like let's say Derrick Williams and Kosta Koufos for example but how can they receive such massive contracts while they were both not as good as Casspi was last season, I can't understand it, why is it wrong for Casspi to ask for a contract of around 3-5 million per a year when Kosta Koufos signs with the Kings and will receive almost 9 million dollar per year, it doesn't make sense.

Kings should really work in order to sign Casspi for a decent contract, he deserves it, let's not forget he was undoubtedly our best player off the bench.
 
Section 101

Section 101

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TheJewishKing said:
Sometimes I just can't understand the mind of the people in the managements, I mean I don't want to disrespect certain players like let's say Derrick Williams and Kosta Koufos for example but how can they receive such massive contracts while they were both not as good as Casspi was last season, I can't understand it, why is it wrong for Casspi to ask for a contract of around 3-5 million per a year when Kosta Koufos signs with the Kings and will receive almost 9 million dollar per year, it doesn't make sense.

Kings should really work in order to sign Casspi for a decent contract, he deserves it, let's not forget he was undoubtedly our best player off the bench.
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Cant compare Omri to Koufos in that regard. Centers who have skills will get more money because there are fewer of them.
 
Mass

Mass

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Big men are always much more expensive. That's why 9 millions for Koufos are not too much, but it's too much for a guy like Omri.

I don't even want to talk about Williams, because I think even a sandwich would be too much for him. But he found someone dumb enough to throw 5 millions/year at him.

That said, I want Omri back, but at the right price. Something around 3/4 mil would be ok for me.
 
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arusinov

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Fear the Putin said:
If it's a choice between Josh Smith and Casspi, then no doubt we got for Omri.
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Let's be serious - in reality Smith is still better player... But he will get much more than "high requests" of Casspi... And he's the player who was waived by Detroit with his $10 mln contract... which means he was real problem there...
 
funkykingston

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The Kings have 11 players under contract now.

C Cousins/Koufos
PF Cauley-Stein/Moreland
SF Gay
SG Bellinelli/McLemore/Anderson
PG Rondo/Collison/McCallum

They essentially need three more players - a primary backup SF who can also play alongside Rudy when he moves to the 4, another backup wing - ideally a SF/SG who is either a shooter or a defender and one more big, ideally a stretch 4. A deep bench center who signs for the minimum would be a nice 15th player.

IMO Casspi should be that backup SF.

After that I like the idea of signing either DeAndre Liggins or James Jones, Teletovic or Bargnani and either Cole Aldrich or Jeff Withey as that deep bench center.

That would be a heck of an offseason.

Or the Kings could grab Josh Smith with the remaining caproom, sign Casspi with the room exception, and still grab Liggins and Aldrich or Withey.

Either way, the Kings would have a very balanced and improved roster.
 
lawlman91

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If we had to choose between Smith and Casspi, Casspi is the safer and better option. We know how he will contribute. We know that he can get along with others on the team. We've taken the risks we need to take, and we have a clear chance to solidify our roster with Casspi. The percieved skill difference isn't worth it. If any of you recall, I've said over and over again throughout last season, "Omri's intangibles are well appreciated". Additionally, signing him tells other players that loyalty goes both ways with the Kings organization. Don't make the assumption that just because he has intangibles and is loyal doesn't mean that his skill set is inherently inferior. He fits with the team and will complete the team. He has good talent.
 
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pdizo916

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I think omri is worth 5 or 6 million but I was hoping we can re sign him without affecting our salary cap. We have another 12 million above the salary cap to spend on players before hitting the luxury tax.
 
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Gilles

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funkykingston said:
The Kings have 11 players under contract now.

C Cousins/Koufos
PF Cauley-Stein/Moreland
SF Gay
SG Bellinelli/McLemore/Anderson
PG Rondo/Collison/McCallum

They essentially need three more players - a primary backup SF who can also play alongside Rudy when he moves to the 4, another backup wing - ideally a SF/SG who is either a shooter or a defender and one more big, ideally a stretch 4. A deep bench center who signs for the minimum would be a nice 15th player.

IMO Casspi should be that backup SF.

After that I like the idea of signing either DeAndre Liggins or James Jones, Teletovic or Bargnani and either Cole Aldrich or Jeff Withey as that deep bench center.

That would be a heck of an offseason.

Or the Kings could grab Josh Smith with the remaining caproom, sign Casspi with the room exception, and still grab Liggins and Aldrich or Withey.

Either way, the Kings would have a very balanced and improved roster.
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At this point there's no "remaining cap room", just Room MLE. If cap is bumped up to $69 million (another couple of days before we know one way or the other), there will be $2.5 million slot, maybe a bit more, since you don't count Stockton, and his salary eats into cap space.
Liggins was a bench player in Russia, so let's see what he can show, but I wouldn't be very optimistic.
Kings need another reliable PF/C or PF/SF guy ahead of Moreland. Either Withey or Aldrich would be interesting, but they are both centers only. Teletovic would be great, but his last salary was above $3 million, and there's still money on the market.
 
PurpleHaze

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Cool thing about Omri Casspi besides what all have said here is improved so much from where he was first time with Kings. Better handles, better outside shooting, better slashing inside, better passing off dribble, better D, better in his specific role off bench and as a determined leader. He's stronger physically now, always been faster than appears, tough minded IDF veteran too, with Kings teammates (especially Cuz) and most Kings fans in agreement. #18 needs to stay in Sacramento Kings uniform.
 
Capt. Factorial

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pdizo916 said:
I think omri is worth 5 or 6 million but I was hoping we can re sign him without affecting our salary cap. We have another 12 million above the salary cap to spend on players before hitting the luxury tax.
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But we have almost no way to spend up to the luxury tax level. The cap system is weird - you can either have cap space or significant exceptions to the cap rules, but not both. Since we had cap space, we can't spend above the cap except the Room MLE ($2.8M) and then veteran minimum contracts.
 
kingsboi

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crazy to think about how low Smith's value has dropped....it's always been mental with Josh. It's not as if he ever lost his athleticism...maybe he just lost the passion? either way...I don't want to bring him here, I'd take Omri if those two are the choices. As for the rest of the roster, I think if the Kings do their homework, they can find a player in the summer league to help contribute, there's always players that slip through the cracks.
 
Bricklayer

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ShastaKingsFan said:
Casspi is our glue. I want him with us, even if it means using a smidge more of the available cap
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The difficulty right now is basically:

we have 5 guards, now I suppose its remotely possible we trade Ben or DC for a better, fit, but right now we have let's say "committments" to:

PG - Rondo
PG (and now soem SG) - Collison
SG - Belinelli
SG (and maybe a little SF) - Mclemore
SG - Anderson

we have 1 SF

SF/PF - Gay

we have 3 bigs:
C - Koufos
C/PF - Cousins
PF/C - Cauley Stein

I would go so far as to say subtract Anderson and 8 of those 9 are our rotation players.

Now, what that leaves open is roughly

Positionally:
1 deep bench PG
1 backup SF
2 backup bigs, 1 of whom should be true PF or stretch PF (could be part of rotation)

Roles:
we could really use an extra shooter still
perimeter defender
stretchy type PF

Candidates:
McCallum - PG/SG or Miller - PG
Evans - PF or Moreland - PF (neither stretchy)
Smith - PF (stretchy) or...Bargs??
Omri - SF/PF, or possibly Barnes or Wright

you take all that, and the problem is that I like Omri as well as anybody still out there for the backup SF role. he proved he could handle it, and critically for me, proved that if Rudy could go down, Omri is capable of putting up significant numbers in Karl's system to hold down the fort until Rudy gets back. And not everybody could do that. you get Barnes or Wright or somebody and lose Rudy, you end up subbing in an entirely different sort of non-prolific player and it changes your whole team dynamic. I also like Omri for team chemistry.

BUT, if Omri is the backup SF and possible last rotation guy, then we don't have a perimeter 2/3 type defender possibly even on the roster, let alone the rotation. If Omri is the backup SF and possible last rotation guy, then all of our real shooters come at one position (SG). That makes them hard to deploy in sufficient numbers.


I like Omri for the spot...but if that's the move there will be other roles I think that just aren't going to be filled. And maybe that's ok this year. We're trying to get tough and competitive, not perfect all at once.
 
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