Kings and free agency - part 2

Wes Matthews just used the kings to increase his offer from the mavs.

I don't think he ever intended to sign here.
Shades of the Kinkos fiasco with Stan Van Gundy:D

That said I have a hunch things have worked out for the best. Vlade, go sign some Players with two good Achilles tendons!
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I think this opens up the possibility we offer rondo a bigger and longer contract.

I can see us offering rondo something along the line of 3 years $40 mil deal.

And then use the rest of the money to fill in the bench
No need for that at all. Rondo has no other known suitors.

What this might do is let us sign 3 guys, Rondo, another guard, and now a big (Koufos?), so we have fewer holes, but less star power.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
Well Vivek is learning yet another lesson.

When you run the most toxic organization in the league and have a clear split between the FO and your new coach, even overpaying FAs sees them running in the opposite direction. I hope Vivek is embarrassed by this, corrects the culture and fires Karl.

As for Vlade, there's other options out there, but he'll have to get creative.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Wes Matthews just used the kings to increase his offer from the mavs.

I don't think he ever intended to sign here.
That's fine too btw -- if you are going to whiff in free agency, whiff badly so that you drive up the price and damage one of your 29 competitors. Dallas is worse off today because of our offer than they were yesterday before it, so it wasn't entirely a wasted effort.
 
Eh it's ok guys. I posted a list of FAs a few pages back.

Missing out on Matthews isn't the worst thing in the world.

There are several guys you listed that I'd prefer over Matthews. As a combo of guys have mentioned, our starting core was decent last season (when healthy, of course). Adding smart pieces to the puzzle is the best way to improve the team. There are a lot of combos that make sense. Also, losing out on a flashy signing this year may open the door to better players next year. Sometimes the best signings are the ones you don't make.
 
I think this opens up the possibility we offer rondo a bigger and longer contract.

I can see us offering rondo something along the line of 3 years $40 mil deal.

And then use the rest of the money to fill in the bench
If we make a serious offer to Rondo it better be on a 1 year deal. We need a motivated Rondo and the best way to do that is to make him play next season for his NBA life. There are plenty of guys like Marbury and Francis that had all the talent to be HOF players but their attitudes drove them out of the league. I haven't heard any other serious interest in Rondo too. Lakers?? Please, they have Clarkson, Russell, and Kobe who all need the ball. Knicks will only have $6 mil after DJ turns them down and they sign Robin Lopez.
 
Ben has played 82 games each of his two seasons, I firmly believe he will make the biggest jump of his career next season.

Sign Rondo or Beverley and fill out your bench. WCS should be an upgrade over JT, so you run out the same lineup that did well last season and come with a competent bench.
 
So there goes Bonzi.... I mean Wes Matthews....

Now let's move forward with folks who still believe that the Kings could turn this messy franchise around this year.
 
Not wishing injury on Wes, but odds are against him ever regaining the same form he had before the injury.

Yes, there is always that big risk. Especially Wes pushes himself in his style of play. But we were going to take that risk because frankly, that's the only way we even have a chance.

But now the decision is made for us. No big deal, move on and move quick. We can still improve if we have a deep bench. Our starting 5 wasn't the problem.
 
I would be in favor of signing Rondo and just a couple other smaller contracts, build a winning culture, maybe sneak into the playoffs, not using up all of our capspace, and then trying to go big again next summer when our rep has been rehabbed a bit.
 
Just call Malone now. Ask for salary dump of Lawson and Gallinari for MacCallum. Should make Karl pretty happy. But just make sure Vlade keeps both Karl and Lawson on leash. Otherwise, they would be barking DMC out of town.
 
No need for that at all. Rondo has no other known suitors.

What this might do is let us sign 3 guys, Rondo, another guard, and now a big (Koufos?), so we have fewer holes, but less star power.
I think Stuckey becomes a priority now, as the only decent PG that can play SG.
I think Belineili is a fairly one-dimensional guy, wouldn't mind him but i don't think he moves the niddle.
 
If the Kings would have landed Wes Matthews for anywhere near the rumored $$ - a large faction of Kings fans would have whined about it being a bad deal. Many were complaining about it already. Now that they didn't get Matthews, some of those same fans are complaining. Can't have it both ways, people.

Like it or not, at least the FO is trying. It's better to try and fail than not to try at all. All it takes is one break to go your way and suddenly players will want to play here. It's like magic.
I remember when the Kings first signed guys like Jon Barry and Vernon Maxwell back in 1998 - before the team started really winning. That's the kind of role players we got. Then, suddenly, guys like Bobby Jackson, Jim Jackson and Keon Clark wanted to play here because a winning culture had been established. Even established veterans such as Mike Bibby and Brad Miller gave their blessing to trades and, eventually, re-signed. It can happen again. Just got to be patient.

Not that long ago, nobody wanted to play for the Warriors or Clippers either, despite the markets they are in. Even the Lakers are struggling to attract FA's. Same goes for the Knicks. Nobody wants to go to a place where there is a losing culture.
 
I swear you guys are making it sound like we traded away Michael Jordan for pocket lint.
No. What we did is more like trade away a serviceable pf/c on a decent contract seeing what's being given, the #8 pick in last years draft and a future first round pick for pocket lint that that we might not even get cuz its located in another country.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
There are several guys you listed that I'd prefer over Matthews. As a combo of guys have mentioned, our starting core was decent last season (when healthy, of course). Adding smart pieces to the puzzle is the best way to improve the team. There are a lot of combos that make sense. Also, losing out on a flashy signing this year may open the door to better players next year. Sometimes the best signings are the ones you don't make.
This is too true...don't outbid yourself for a player with little market value. Try again next season or make a trade that benefits you in the present or future.
 
And this is why cap space is next to worthless in Sacramento. For those that said nik sucked or don't care about the top 10 protected pick, they are assets and we shouldn't have used them to dump Landry or a serviceable jt. Or do what the Suns did. How come their salary dump looks so much better than ours?
Because they actually know what they're doing over there? They made a mistake last year and they've already fixed it.
 
If the Kings would have landed Wes Matthews for anywhere near the rumored $$ - a large faction of Kings fans would have whined about it being a bad deal. Many were complaining about it already. Now that they didn't get Matthews, some of those same fans are complaining. Can't have it both ways, people.

Like it or not, at least the FO is trying. It's better to try and fail than not to try at all. All it takes is one break to go your way and suddenly players will want to play here. It's like magic.
I remember when the Kings first signed guys like Jon Barry and Vernon Maxwell back in 1998 - before the team started really winning. That's the kind of role players we got. Then, suddenly, guys like Bobby Jackson, Jim Jackson and Keon Clark wanted to play here because a winning culture had been established. Even established veterans such as Mike Bibby and Brad Miller gave their blessing to trades and, eventually, re-signed. It can happen again. Just got to be patient.

Not that long ago, nobody wanted to play for the Warriors or Clippers either, despite the markets they are in. Even the Lakers are struggling to attract FA's. Same goes for the Knicks. Nobody wants to go to a place where there is a losing culture.
Great post and all very true
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I don't know looks to me like Cubes is building a new team for just that purpose. Meanwhile the Clips are moving defenders and bringing in extras from Jurassic park to join the choke crew.
Just running in place throwing money at things. No longer have the star though so just where we were in 2005 or so.
 
It's too bad we didn't get Wes, but its better than overpaying for a role player. It is better to save our cap space and boost up depth for the future. It's shady but I wonder if we can back out of the deal now and just keep the first rounder and pick swaps.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
If the Kings would have landed Wes Matthews for anywhere near the rumored $$ - a large faction of Kings fans would have whined about it being a bad deal. Many were complaining about it already. Now that they didn't get Matthews, some of those same fans are complaining. Can't have it both ways, people.
That literally makes zero sense.

You've got one side, a smaller side, who really didn't want Matthews because of the cost and injury risk. Then you've got the other who wanted him and thought he'd be quite a boost as a 3rd option for this team, while accepting the injury risk. Then there were some between,

You've decided to lump the opposing sides/everyone together and say "you can't have it both ways".
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No. What we did is more like trade away a serviceable pf/c on a decent contract seeing what's being given, the #8 pick in last years draft and a future first round pick for pocket lint that that we might not even get cuz its located in another country.
We traded away junk. Nothing more or less. 3 non-contributors to a very bad team.
 
Ours is fine. People need to quit dramaqueening over this. We have ever bit of room we had 2 hours ago. Just shift targets and move on. Free agents, call up the Pels see how they feel about their guards, the Nets, Denver etc. Long list of possibles. By doing things the way we did them we kept our core intact so everything we do here is adding to it, and we can accept various combinations of guys.
I don't know when you changed your views on things but cap space and free agency was always the last option for a small market non playoff team to build. We build through the draft and trades. Cap space can be valuable when used correctly like what Detroit or philly did. If we use the space correctly fine. But we gave up more than we should have seeing what the Suns did. I just hope we don't use up all this new cap space overpaying for 3rd tier free agents