JT wants to get traded (and other trade discussion)
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Not exactly. If the deal moves Ben as part of a deal for Goran, then you need a starting 2. Presumably that would be Goran with DC at point. Unless you think we should move Nick into the starting line up to improve the bench. Unless you mean waiting to sign in the off season, then I wonder how we do that with out going over the cap.
If Goran stays.
It seems very risky. It's a bit like signing Landry. My main point is that we had a very good offense. We HAVE a very good offense. We don't know what Karl can do with the guys already in place. I suspect they will function better with two youngsters, Cousins and Ben, improving. People have called Goran an All Star. I'm not sure why exaggerating his skills is necessary to make an argument but when people do that, I get suspicious. The only thing that I have seen that impresses me is the desire to escape IT.
I presume if we get him in a trade, we will give up a significant part of our bench which may be good or bad. If we don't get him in a trade and wait until the summer, I don't know why all the hysteria now.
As to the wink, wink deal with him promising a great contract in the summer if he comes now, Minnesota did that with Joe (?) Smith and got punished badly by the NBA. It is not legal.
It seems very risky. It's a bit like signing Landry. My main point is that we had a very good offense. We HAVE a very good offense. We don't know what Karl can do with the guys already in place. I suspect they will function better with two youngsters, Cousins and Ben, improving. People have called Goran an All Star. I'm not sure why exaggerating his skills is necessary to make an argument but when people do that, I get suspicious. The only thing that I have seen that impresses me is the desire to escape IT.
I presume if we get him in a trade, we will give up a significant part of our bench which may be good or bad. If we don't get him in a trade and wait until the summer, I don't know why all the hysteria now.
As to the wink, wink deal with him promising a great contract in the summer if he comes now, Minnesota did that with Joe (?) Smith and got punished badly by the NBA. It is not legal.
No, and frankly I would not be terribly in favor of getting Dragic at a max contract if we lost either Ben or DC. And with Ben, I KNOW Dragic wants to "have his own team". He apparently even cited Curry. That's a problem for me. I think his ego is writing checks his game can't cash. But whatever it is, he clearly is looking to escape precisely the 2 PG backcourt situation Phoenix was in, so he has to start at PG if you get him and want to keep him.
I question whether dragic-Rudy-cousins would work. I think Rudy would be culprit to stopping ball movement. However to say Dragic isn't significantly better than Collison is false. If that's the case, why did Collison sign for a 5mpy deal? Why weren't there 10 teams lined up to sign him last off season? Dragic is reportedly going to be offered a max by SEVERAL teams. The talent level isn't even close. Collison is a GREAT back up PG whos the starter of our team. He fits perfectly right next to Rudy because he's a low usage player. He's essentially our Grant Hill from the Pacers. He would only start on about 2 other teams in the NBA...lakers and Knicks. I think Collison is more of a game manager. He fits 6th man.
Dragic would make this team a ton better. A legit playoff team.
One fluke season? Dude come on..
I would never offer Dragic the max though. He's not worth it. Most would be 13million
Dragic would make this team a ton better. A legit playoff team.
One fluke season? Dude come on..
I would never offer Dragic the max though. He's not worth it. Most would be 13million
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With all that said, wouldn't be shocked if they held onto Martin as well. Flip loves him and despite interest from teams like the Bulls, Wizards and Kings ... Flip does like having a veteran presence in the locker room who takes some of the scoring pressure off Wiggins. ESPN.com
Alex Kennedy: The Kings have been linked to a lot of players but I'm told their priority is still to acquire a stretch four. Easier said than done though.
Adrian Wojnarowski: Yahoo Sources: Suns much more focused on discussing Dragic deals w/ Celtics, Rockets, Kings, among others, than any teams on guard's list
A hope with Dragic would be Pho is angry, pee*d off about his trade demand 48 hours before the deadline so they respond with not really caring what type of a situation they trade him to. Sometimes a team will work with a player to find a great situation for him when wanting out, other times they feel screwed over and just want to get that player out of town. Dragic saying today to the media "I don't trust this FO" adds fuel to the fire. I doubt they're all that concerned with the list he provided them.
With all that said, wouldn't be shocked if they held onto Martin as well. Flip loves him and despite interest from teams like the Bulls, Wizards and Kings ... Flip does like having a veteran presence in the locker room who takes some of the scoring pressure off Wiggins. ESPN.com
Alex Kennedy: The Kings have been linked to a lot of players but I'm told their priority is still to acquire a stretch four. Easier said than done though.
Adrian Wojnarowski: Yahoo Sources: Suns much more focused on discussing Dragic deals w/ Celtics, Rockets, Kings, among others, than any teams on guard's list
A hope with Dragic would be Pho is angry, pee*d off about his trade demand 48 hours before the deadline so they respond with not really caring what type of a situation they trade him to. Sometimes a team will work with a player to find a great situation for him when wanting out, other times they feel screwed over and just want to get that player out of town. Dragic saying today to the media "I don't trust this FO" adds fuel to the fire. I doubt they're all that concerned with the list he provided them.
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If Goran stays.
It seems very risky. It's a bit like signing Landry. My main point is that we had a very good offense. We HAVE a very good offense. We don't know what Karl can do with the guys already in place. I suspect they will function better with two youngsters, Cousins and Ben, improving. People have called Goran an All Star. I'm not sure why exaggerating his skills is necessary to make an argument but when people do that, I get suspicious. The only thing that I have seen that impresses me is the desire to escape IT.
I presume if we get him in a trade, we will give up a significant part of our bench which may be good or bad. If we don't get him in a trade and wait until the summer, I don't know why all the hysteria now.
As to the wink, wink deal with him promising a great contract in the summer if he comes now, Minnesota did that with Joe (?) Smith and got punished badly by the NBA. It is not legal.
It seems very risky. It's a bit like signing Landry. My main point is that we had a very good offense. We HAVE a very good offense. We don't know what Karl can do with the guys already in place. I suspect they will function better with two youngsters, Cousins and Ben, improving. People have called Goran an All Star. I'm not sure why exaggerating his skills is necessary to make an argument but when people do that, I get suspicious. The only thing that I have seen that impresses me is the desire to escape IT.
I presume if we get him in a trade, we will give up a significant part of our bench which may be good or bad. If we don't get him in a trade and wait until the summer, I don't know why all the hysteria now.
As to the wink, wink deal with him promising a great contract in the summer if he comes now, Minnesota did that with Joe (?) Smith and got punished badly by the NBA. It is not legal.
That said, he's better than DC. Not so sure he's a better fit.
He's getting puffed up here more than George Karl right now, and that's saying something.
On paper, right now, Dragon looks a lot like DC. At potentially 3X the salary.
Sounds like the suns will do what we should have done with IT, get whatever they can for him regardless of what Dragon wants.
Just seems like he'd be a rental we don't even need, since the playoffs are such a long shot
That said, dragon is a bad ass nickname. Most suns fans seemed to prefer dragon over IT and Bledsoe when I've perused their message boards. They can't be happy. Suns made a huge mistake if they thought Dragon would be there long term. The IT signing ended that quickly.
