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We saw Cousins pass the ball great in his first summer league, and yet for several years in the NBA he's been pretty putrid in his assist/to ratio. I think Cousins will eventually be a good passer, but the point is that this ain't college ball; it could take Stauskas a couple of seasons to make the adjustment. If I'm just looking at next year, I don't think this team's passing is anything greater than average.
And compared to the team last year with Thomas, average is an improvement!
 
I don't see any "new" rumors in the article at all

It still comes down to Monroe

A he goes in a sign n trade (Josh stays)
B he signs QO stays for 1 yr (Josh stays)
C He agrees to a LT contract with condition that Josh goes (Then maybe we get Josh) - Least likely of the three
 

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...free-agent-pistons-qualifying-offer/12940893/

Monroe is signing that QO apparently. This gives him the power to veto any trade. There has been so many rumors and smokescreens going on with Detroit I'm not sure what to believe at this point but something is going to have to give at some point.
Yeah, I agree. I read the Detroit newspapers every morning, and for the most part, there hasn't been much to report. But, if Monroe does sign the qualifying offer, then I think any chance of the Kings acquiring Smith is dead. Never say never, but unless the Pistons want to start from scratch and build around Drummond, which is always a possibility, and not necessarily a bad idea, I doubt they'll move Smith.
 
Well all sorts of Twitter reports on HoopsHype that Greg Monroe has signed QO , so after next year he will be UFA

This should end any speculation of a Josh Smith trade, SVG will need Josh next year next to Drummond when Monroe is gone
 
This should end any speculation of a Josh Smith trade, SVG will need Josh next year next to Drummond when Monroe is gone
Amen.

I am so glad it is somehow unlikely we'll get Josh Smith. Josh Smith standing at 6' 7" is relatively expensive, especially because he is not big enough to match and dominate the bigger PFs in the Western Conference.
 
Well all sorts of Twitter reports on HoopsHype that Greg Monroe has signed QO , so after next year he will be UFA

This should end any speculation of a Josh Smith trade, SVG will need Josh next year next to Drummond when Monroe is gone
Unless of course the pistons finally come to terms with Smith's contract being far too expensive for the redundancy of having Josh Smith play next to Drummond. There's still a chance people!
 
Well all sorts of Twitter reports on HoopsHype that Greg Monroe has signed QO , so after next year he will be UFA

This should end any speculation of a Josh Smith trade, SVG will need Josh next year next to Drummond when Monroe is gone
Josh Smith won't be traded now. Maybe Monroe will be on the trade block instead.

Monroe is as good as gone from Detroit, so Josh Smith will be there to stay.

You have to wonder who PDA is targeting with his salary dumping?

All signs still point to Rajon Rondo, but that may be a huge mistake if he bolts after one year. It could set the franchise back 5-10 years if the Kings deal Ben Mac and some 1st rounders for Rondo and he leaves next year for nothing.

I don't think that is a gamble worth taking, plus it would look bad to other Free Agents if one of your top players left for less money to the Lakers or Knicks, etc.
 
Josh Smith won't be traded now. Maybe Monroe will be on the trade block instead.

Monroe is as good as gone from Detroit, so Josh Smith will be there to stay.

You have to wonder who PDA is targeting with his salary dumping?

All signs still point to Rajon Rondo, but that may be a huge mistake if he bolts after one year. It could set the franchise back 5-10 years if the Kings deal Ben Mac and some 1st rounders for Rondo and he leaves next year for nothing.

I don't think that is a gamble worth taking, plus it would look bad to other Free Agents if one of your top players left for less money to the Lakers or Knicks, etc.
Bledsoe maybe?
 
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Lets wait it out one more season, try to shed JT's deal for expirings and make a play for Faried.
For what? Please don't tell me people are overrating Kennath Faried since he gets wide open dunks and doesn't have to defend anyone on Team USA? The guy can't defend/make a jumper and he's actually a terrible defender if you have a average NBA big man going at him, JT would abuse Faried. I'm not really impressed by Faired tbh he's a another undersized PF's Cousins does not need next to him.

Whoever overpays him will find out he's great in a open game but in a proper game of half court basketball he's not really anything more than a average player with many flaws.
 
For what? Please don't tell me people are overrating Kennath Faried since he gets wide open dunks and doesn't have to defend anyone on Team USA? The guy can't defend/make a jumper and he's actually a terrible defender if you have a average NBA big man going at him, JT would abuse Faried. I'm not really impressed by Faired tbh he's a another undersized PF's Cousins does not need next to him.

Whoever overpays him will find out he's great in a open game but in a proper game of half court basketball he's not really anything more than a average player with many flaws.
This. I bet Faried will have a hard time guarding one of the Spanish big men, Pau/Marc/Serge.
 
Lets wait it out one more season, try to shed JT's deal for expirings and make a play for Faried.
So Instead of acquiring a player that has a skill of need to fill a position of need we should instead wait through another season to try to acquire a player at a position of need that does NOT have a skill of need through FREE AGENCY? Riiiight
 
If we don't have a shot at a decent candidate to fill our PF need I believe I would spend our big bucks on a SG rather than a PG. Our need is greatest at SG until one of our first rounders proves himself as a backup. McLemore hasn't shown it yet and he has had the opportunity, and Stauskas hasn't come to bat yet. Let's get a productive, talented starter so we can win more while the young guys learn. If this SG costs us and has value to us, he will have value on the open market when we're ready to promote.
 
For what? Please don't tell me people are overrating Kennath Faried since he gets wide open dunks and doesn't have to defend anyone on Team USA? The guy can't defend/make a jumper and he's actually a terrible defender if you have a average NBA big man going at him, JT would abuse Faried. I'm not really impressed by Faired tbh he's a another undersized PF's Cousins does not need next to him.

Whoever overpays him will find out he's great in a open game but in a proper game of half court basketball he's not really anything more than a average player with many flaws.
What are wearing high shorts and taking set shots all game long? Faried out works everyone on the court is a outstanding rebounder and never gives up on a play. Yes he has his limitations but he's aware of them and plays to his strengths. If we can unclutter our 4 spot over this season I think Faried would play awesome between Cuz and Rudy.
 
What are wearing high shorts and taking set shots all game long? Faried out works everyone on the court is a outstanding rebounder and never gives up on a play. Yes he has his limitations but he's aware of them and plays to his strengths. If we can unclutter our 4 spot over this season I think Faried would play awesome between Cuz and Rudy.
Faried is undersized for his position and he's just a hustle-type player. Kings already have Evans on the roster which for me is a much better hustle-type player and is not undersized.
 
This Josh Smith trade seems like it's slipping away. I guess I'll keep wishing for Faried or Deandre Jordan in 2015 free agency.
If we don't have a shot at a decent candidate to fill our PF need I believe I would spend our big bucks on a SG rather than a PG. Our need is greatest at SG until one of our first rounders proves himself as a backup. McLemore hasn't shown it yet and he has had the opportunity, and Stauskas hasn't come to bat yet. Let's get a productive, talented starter so we can win more while the young guys learn. If this SG costs us and has value to us, he will have value on the open market when we're ready to promote.
Another SG wish for next year: Klay Thompson.
 
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Faried is undersized for his position and he's just a hustle-type player. Kings already have Evans on the roster which for me is a much better hustle-type player and is not undersized.
Evans won't demand 10+million on the market either, to me getting Faried is anther pointless move in both the short/long run. We are better of gambling on Larry Sanders who will cost a smilar amount to Farieds new deal anyway and he brings qualities we actually need.
 
Evans won't demand 10+million on the market either, to me getting Faried is anther pointless move in both the short/long run. We are better of gambling on Larry Sanders who will cost a smilar amount to Farieds new deal anyway and he brings qualities we actually need.
Sanders is a gamble alright, so for me the Kings maybe should just wait for Moreland to develop especially if PDA cannot get a defensive shot-blocking big man.
 
If Greg Monroe plays like he did in pre season opener for the regular season, josh smith will be a bench player getting paid $14 mil a year.

If Stan van gundy thought j smith trade value was low before, wait until j smith is backing up Monroe.

SVG may be throwing in the first rounder to the kings in a mid season trade to dump his salary.
 

hrdboild

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Monroe is clearly winning the battle at PF in pre-season and it's not even close. He's going to get a max deal from somebody this off-season and Detroit will be kicking themselves if it's someone else. After what happened last year, they would have to be crazy to start Josh Smith at SF and he's not beating Monroe for the PF spot. Mad scientist SVG is going to put anybody who can knock down threes on the wing, and I wouldn't be surprised if both Meeks and Caldwell-Pope are sharing the floor for long stretches by the middle of the season. Theoretically Smith has some value as an off the bench third big, but both Jonas Jerebko and Cartier Martin are better three point shooters and with Monroe's max deal looming I think they're going to trade him at at some point this season.

The first thing I would ask is whether we really want Josh Smith or not. Before this summer I was on the fence but leaning toward no. Seeing Cousins take a new interest in defense changes my mind a little bit about what type of player will or won't work at PF. If Cousins can take on the challenge of being a defensive anchor for this team we're now looking for a help defender more than a post presence. Smith fits the bill here. In fact, he's the only other player in the league who comes close to equaling Cousins' all-around ability as top 20 in both blocks and steals. When he's played the PF position full time, he's been good for about 9 rebounds and 4 assists per game along with 15-16 points. He's had one truly excellent season in 09-10 where Mike Woodson finally got him to stop taking threes (o for 7 on the season) and his statistical efficiency skyrocketed, making him one of the best all-around players in the league that year. Last season he attempted a career high 265 threes and had the worst season of his career.

At this point, I actually think Josh Smith is a good idea for us. PF remains our biggest position of need and Smith brings a lot of good qualities to the table. If we bring him in though, he's locked in at PF (position-less basketball be damned) and he's forbidden from shooting threes. I'm not sure what the trade is. Detroit will want expirings so that leaves only 2 real options to build a deal: (1) Derrick Williams and Jason Thompson/CarlLandry or (2) Rudy Gay. There are salary cap considerations on our end as well. Smith/Cousins taking up $29 million of the salary cap next season means we probably have to choose between Gay and targeting another free agent (most likely Rondo).

This is where it gets interesting though. The new $24 billion TV deal the NBA signed is set to increase league revenues astronomically starting in 2017. Based on the way the salary cap is currently calculated, some people are projecting the salary cap could jump from $66 million in 15-16 to $87 million in 16-17 when the new TV deal kicks in. That's enough to add a max level player to every team. Absolute pandemonium! It's hard to see the players agreeing to a pay cut again after they already did so in 2011 and the league posted record profits in every year since. Something will be done to smooth out this transition, but it means that max deals signed under this current salary cap could be seen as a bargain a couple years from now. It also might give us a loophole through which we can push the luxary tax limit for one year and then find ourselves right back at the salary cap soon afterward.

Anyway, just speculating. I don't think anyone is in a hurry to make a trade at this point in the pre-season with so many other roster decisions to be made. At some point this year though, a Smith deal is going to come up again and I think it would be wise for Sacramento to remain aggressive about expressing their interest to Van Gundy and trying to work toward a mutually beneficial arrangement.
 
Monroe is clearly winning the battle at PF in pre-season and it's not even close. He's going to get a max deal from somebody this off-season and Detroit will be kicking themselves if it's someone else. After what happened last year, they would have to be crazy to start Josh Smith at SF and he's not beating Monroe for the PF spot. Mad scientist SVG is going to put anybody who can knock down threes on the wing, and I wouldn't be surprised if both Meeks and Caldwell-Pope are sharing the floor for long stretches by the middle of the season. Theoretically Smith has some value as an off the bench third big, but both Jonas Jerebko and Cartier Martin are better three point shooters and with Monroe's max deal looming I think they're going to trade him at at some point this season.
Well, Jodie Meeks is out a few months with a major back injury. If the Pistons were willing to take Landry, I'd be all for a trade. With the acquisition of Sessions, I have softened my stance on trading Ray McCallum.
 

hrdboild

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Well, Jodie Meeks is out a few months with a major back injury. If the Pistons were willing to take Landry, I'd be all for a trade. With the acquisition of Sessions, I have softened my stance on trading Ray McCallum.
The mid-season trade market doesn't usually open up until mid-December or so anyway. Meeks not being active gives Caldwell-Pope the angle on securing the starting SG spot but I don't think it affects a potential Smith trade much. Meeks is there to knock down threes and Smith is not. Asking him to attempt three pointers has done nothing to help his game over the course of his career. SVG is going to try to find a role for Smith because his salary demands it, but he's either an overpaid backup big on that team or a horribly overpaid and terrible SF.

Unless Landry somehow finds his game in the next couple months, it's looking like we're stuck with another useless undersized PF taking up cap space and dragging down our front court rotations for the next 3 years. The more things change, the more they stay the same. It's looking like a lost cause right now, but maybe he just needs to get himself back into shape.
 
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