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When I heard about the Andre Miller rumor I came up with this trade....

Kings Receive - Larry Sanders, Ersan Ilyasova, Andre Miller, Gary Neal
Nuggets receive - Ben Mclemore, Jason Thompson, Jimmer Fredette
Bucks Receive - Kenneth Faried, Marcus Thornton, Travis Outlaw

Why the Bucks do it - The Bucks are in super tank mode at 7-25 at this point. They give up a valuable asset in Larry Sanders but have the up and coming John Henson to fill his void. Rumors surfaced about a week ago claiming the bucks were looking to trade Sanders. In return they get a major hustle player in Kenneth Faried. Also they shed 2 million off of next years payroll instantly and trade Ilyasova's 4 year 8mil contract with Thorntons 2 year 8 mil, essentially shaving two years off of what looks like a contract they regret handing out. Also they have no other SF's on the team besides Caron Butler, so Outlaw gives them some sort of a backup. Overall they shed salary, shed contract years, and gain a good young player and stay the course for a star player in this years draft which is full of potential SF and PF star prospects.

Why the Nuggets do it - Great young prospect in Ben McLemore. He might not be ready to start right away but a Ty Lawson/ McLemore duo has scary potential. Rumors surfaced earlier in the year about the Nuggets looking to trade Kenneth Faried, so its not out of the realm of possibility that they would consider dealing him. The Nuggets are also desperate for size with JJ Hickson starting for them at the Center position. JT would help in that area allowing Hickson to slide down to his natural position at PF. In summary the Nuggets trade one good prospect for another who I believe is a better fit for them going forward, also they solve a major problem by getting bigger and do this without taking on much salary.

Why the Kings do it - Kings take a chance by trading away Bmac in his rookie year, but along with him goes nearly every headache we've endured as Kings fans over the last few years. No More Thompson, No Thornton, No Outlaw, No Fredette. In return we Receive what I believe to be a perfect compliment to DMC in Larry Sanders. Last year this guy averaged 9.5 rpg and 2.8 bpg. He's down a little bit this year with the emergence of John Henson, but this also makes him slightly more expendable in the eyes of the Bucks. The biggest downfall of this trade for the Kings is taking on the contract of Ersan Ilyasova who's contract is similar to Thorntons, but 2 years longer. Also Ilyasova is having a dreadful year down in almost every major statistical category except for MPG... which is bad. In the past he was a major 3pt threat, but this year he's shooting an awful .174 from the arc and almost seems like he's given up on the team. Taking him on could be a disaster, but my feeling is that a change of scenery would right the ship and turn out to be a big win for us going forward, if not he'd be our new Marcus Thornton for the next 4 years. Also we get Andre Miller and Gary Neal who would both give our 2 guard spot a major boost in productivity. To summerize we trade away an extremely young player with possible star potential as well as all of our problem children... in return we get a perfect Defensive compliment to our franchise player, a serviceable fix for the SG spot, and 2 more years of what could possibly turn out to be a bad contract.

Yeah, its a giant ridiculous trade with no hope of happening, but it kept me entertained. What do you guys think?
I like this trade, Kings will benefit most.
 
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eh no real upgrade from anybody we would trade for him. no matter the position. he is equal to John Salmons as a pg.
I was talking about the Larry Sanders/Ersan trade above my mistake should have been more clear.
 
PDA needs to figure out how to turn MT into Andre Miller. There are a lot of smaller contracts on both sides so there is a lot of room to work with. Maybe take their struggling 2 guard (Foye) off their hands as well.
 

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PDA needs to figure out how to turn MT into Andre Miller. There are a lot of smaller contracts on both sides so there is a lot of room to work with. Maybe take their struggling 2 guard (Foye) off their hands as well.
i would do that foye not a bad defensive player
 
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However crapty this deal is, hear me out:

We get Bynum and Waiters for Ben Mac and a couple fillers

Cleveland does it because they offload two players they've been trying to get rid of and they will probably get two top 12 picks in the upcoming draft anyways.

Kings do it to get an automatic rim protector (no matter how crapty Bynum is, his size and defensive awareness allows him to be a great post defender). We lose a potentially great player in Ben Mac but at this point, he looks completely lost in the NBA. It would take him another 2-3 years to finally adjust to the league and then there's still that question whether he will keep on keeping until that time comes (confidence wise).
Waiters has been averaging around 15 points in his first two seasons in the NBA. Cleveland is getting rid of him only because him and Irving don't mesh together. I personally think that Waiters has a big upside. Plus, this trade will motivate him to work even harder and to prove all the disbelievers wrong. I think we could get a potential 20+ player on our hands. Obviously I don't think he'd average that much with Gay and Cousins but he would have the potential for it on nights when those two either aren't playing or are not in the zone.

Then, we get Andre Miller to be a backup point for IT/starter on nights like last night for a Thornton or something.

SG fixed: Waiters is a currently a much better SG all around than Ben Mac.
Rim protector fixed: Bynum could be the worst trade for us in the last 20 years or it could be the best... It's a toss up really but it would include a package of Waiters which I wouldn't mind at all. Cleveland would also like a guy like Ben Mac who is a hard worker and would most likely mesh well with the whole squad, especially Irving.
Backup point/defensive point fixed: We get Andre Miller. He's not a superstar. He's getting pretty damn old. He's slow. He's not athletic at all. He isn't a world class defender.
OK Got all that out of our system. While he may not be any of those things, he adds experience which is something this team really lacks. While Cousins is the leader of the squad, you need another player to control the game or lead the players off court. Much like a Sam Cassell or Vlade Divac to their Kevin Garnett and Chris Webber. A facilitator if you will....

The best part is....We still get a draft pick! For all we know, we could end up getting the #1 draft pick if luck is on our side. If we do, we could possibly offload a Bynum or Rudy Gay for a Wiggins or Embiid later on down the road. Plus, a second round pick which there will be plenty of good players in the draft so a backup combo guard to IT/Andre Miller and Waiters would be a nice deal. Just some food for thought.
I hear a lot of people mentioning Sanders and I would be extremely happy to get him as well. Albeit, I have a hard time seeing the Bucks giving him up. They have a decent chance of getting the #1 overall draft pick and if they decide to go for an Embiid, then it wouldn't be a bad idea to offload a Sanders but what would they want in return from us?

They have a good point guard who's doing well this season in Brandon Knight. Their shooting guard is an established and respected player in the NBA, OJ Mayo. They finally got a solid SF who has excelled this season and is only 18/19 years old, Giannis Antetokounmpo. Henson has really came out of his shell this first half of the season and has been doing well scoring, rebounding and blocking shots (he'd be another player I'd be interested in). Then, you have Sanders who is an ultimate beast under the basket and has high efficiency on the offensive end (I think he went 7/7 in field goals last night). He doesn't demand much on offense and prefers to play defense which would be great for Cousins who prefers the opposite.

But what could we possibly give the Bucks that they already don't have? I highly doubt they'd want much from us at all. We would have to engage in a 3 team trade and there's always that one team that gets screwed over in those which would be us probably knowing our luck. Unless we got two teams who are trying to tank the season and are giving up some good players in order to have a better chance of a #1 pick?


Then, we have a rare option of a Rondo/Bradley deal circulating but I highly doubt we could offer enough to get Rondo let alone both of them. IT, Ben Mac, Thornton, Jimmer, Landry and JT? We'd really need to find some good free agents after all of this...At the same time, I don't think Boston want to give up their star in Rondo and star defender for Bradley for a couple of has-bins.


Overall, we need something and we need it before the trade deadline. Otherwise, starting next season, we'll be in the same spot that we are now and goodbye playoffs...
 
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PS: I still can't believe we picked Thomas Robinson over Lillard UGHhhhhhhhhhhhh :mad:
 
However poopooty this deal is, hear me out:

We get Bynum and Waiters for Ben Mac and a couple fillers

Cleveland does it because they offload two players they've been trying to get rid of and they will probably get two top 12 picks in the upcoming draft anyways.

Kings do it to get an automatic rim protector (no matter how poopooty Bynum is, his size and defensive awareness allows him to be a great post defender). We lose a potentially great player in Ben Mac but at this point, he looks completely lost in the NBA. It would take him another 2-3 years to finally adjust to the league and then there's still that question whether he will keep on keeping until that time comes (confidence wise).
Waiters has been averaging around 15 points in his first two seasons in the NBA. Cleveland is getting rid of him only because him and Irving don't mesh together. I personally think that Waiters has a big upside. Plus, this trade will motivate him to work even harder and to prove all the disbelievers wrong. I think we could get a potential 20+ player on our hands. Obviously I don't think he'd average that much with Gay and Cousins but he would have the potential for it on nights when those two either aren't playing or are not in the zone.

Then, we get Andre Miller to be a backup point for IT/starter on nights like last night for a Thornton or something.

SG fixed: Waiters is a currently a much better SG all around than Ben Mac.
Rim protector fixed: Bynum could be the worst trade for us in the last 20 years or it could be the best... It's a toss up really but it would include a package of Waiters which I wouldn't mind at all. Cleveland would also like a guy like Ben Mac who is a hard worker and would most likely mesh well with the whole squad, especially Irving.
Backup point/defensive point fixed: We get Andre Miller. He's not a superstar. He's getting pretty damn old. He's slow. He's not athletic at all. He isn't a world class defender.
OK Got all that out of our system. While he may not be any of those things, he adds experience which is something this team really lacks. While Cousins is the leader of the squad, you need another player to control the game or lead the players off court. Much like a Sam Cassell or Vlade Divac to their Kevin Garnett and Chris Webber. A facilitator if you will....

The best part is....We still get a draft pick! For all we know, we could end up getting the #1 draft pick if luck is on our side. If we do, we could possibly offload a Bynum or Rudy Gay for a Wiggins or Embiid later on down the road. Plus, a second round pick which there will be plenty of good players in the draft so a backup combo guard to IT/Andre Miller and Waiters would be a nice deal. Just some food for thought.
I hear a lot of people mentioning Sanders and I would be extremely happy to get him as well. Albeit, I have a hard time seeing the Bucks giving him up. They have a decent chance of getting the #1 overall draft pick and if they decide to go for an Embiid, then it wouldn't be a bad idea to offload a Sanders but what would they want in return from us?

They have a good point guard who's doing well this season in Brandon Knight. Their shooting guard is an established and respected player in the NBA, OJ Mayo. They finally got a solid SF who has excelled this season and is only 18/19 years old, Giannis Antetokounmpo. Henson has really came out of his shell this first half of the season and has been doing well scoring, rebounding and blocking shots (he'd be another player I'd be interested in). Then, you have Sanders who is an ultimate beast under the basket and has high efficiency on the offensive end (I think he went 7/7 in field goals last night). He doesn't demand much on offense and prefers to play defense which would be great for Cousins who prefers the opposite.

But what could we possibly give the Bucks that they already don't have? I highly doubt they'd want much from us at all. We would have to engage in a 3 team trade and there's always that one team that gets screwed over in those which would be us probably knowing our luck. Unless we got two teams who are trying to tank the season and are giving up some good players in order to have a better chance of a #1 pick?


Then, we have a rare option of a Rondo/Bradley deal circulating but I highly doubt we could offer enough to get Rondo let alone both of them. IT, Ben Mac, Thornton, Jimmer, Landry and JT? We'd really need to find some good free agents after all of this...At the same time, I don't think Boston want to give up their star in Rondo and star defender for Bradley for a couple of has-bins.


Overall, we need something and we need it before the trade deadline. Otherwise, starting next season, we'll be in the same spot that we are now and goodbye playoffs...
As soon as I read your first statement, I automatically knew not to waste my time reading your excruciatingly lengthy post....Just a few words of wisdom, if I may......NEVER, and I mean NEVER, begin a comment by stating what is about to be written is a bunch of BS. Actually, why even write the damn thing if you yourself deem it to be BS????
 
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However poopooty this deal is, hear me out:

We get Bynum and Waiters for Ben Mac and a couple fillers

Cleveland does it because they offload two players they've been trying to get rid of and they will probably get two top 12 picks in the upcoming draft anyways.

Kings do it to get an automatic rim protector (no matter how poopooty Bynum is, his size and defensive awareness allows him to be a great post defender). We lose a potentially great player in Ben Mac but at this point, he looks completely lost in the NBA. It would take him another 2-3 years to finally adjust to the league and then there's still that question whether he will keep on keeping until that time comes (confidence wise)...
You're either forgetting or not admitting one thing: Andrew Bynum is a freaking disaster, a cancer that could do more to undo the good that's been done here since Vivek bought the team than anything else. You don't trade for someone like him when you're trying to resurrect a franchise. And if you think Bynum and Cousins could occupy the same locker room, you're pretty much delusional.
 

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PS: I still can't believe we picked Thomas Robinson over Lillard UGHhhhhhhhhhhhh :mad:
That ship sailed, struck a reef and sank with all hands lost. It's not really anything to be talking about at this point in time. The past is the past, especially when you're talking about a past that involved different owners, different front office, different coaches, etc.
 
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As soon as I read your first statement, I automatically knew not to waste my time reading your excruciatingly lengthy post....Just a few words of wisdom, if I may......NEVER, and I mean NEVER, begin a comment by stating what is about to be written is a bunch of BS. Actually, why even write the damn thing if you yourself deem it to be BS????
what I was trying to imply is, don't overlook the trade

Anyhow, I don't think Bynum is as big of a cancer as some of you may think. While he is not a star, he at least brings good post defense. I mean the lakers are trying to get rid of Gasol to have Bynum back. Obviously, he can't be that bad considering the Lakers used to own the kid.
Plus, Shaq and Cousins could bring that winning mentality back in him. He's a cancer in Cleveland cause he went from a championship team (Lakers previous years) to a bottom of the rung team where their star player apparently has a fat ego and their coach can't even keep the team together.
There is more to the story than just what we see....
 
what I was trying to imply is, don't overlook the trade

Anyhow, I don't think Bynum is as big of a cancer as some of you may think. While he is not a star, he at least brings good post defense. I mean the lakers are trying to get rid of Gasol to have Bynum back. Obviously, he can't be that bad considering the Lakers used to own the kid.
Plus, Shaq and Cousins could bring that winning mentality back in him. He's a cancer in Cleveland cause he went from a championship team (Lakers previous years) to a bottom of the rung team where their star player apparently has a fat ego and their coach can't even keep the team together.
There is more to the story than just what we see....
And what you fail to mention is that he has a couple of banged up knees. No thanks!
 
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Bynum doesn't even have an ego. He's just lazy and unmotivated. To be honest, I would be too going from LA to Cleveland.

I think Sac could do wonders for him. He's still young and while he's not an all-star, we don't even want that to begin with. We have Cousins. We just want an amazing post defender who can also help Cousins on the boards and here and there free up room for Cousins.
 
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And what you fail to mention is that he has a couple of banged up knees. No thanks!
Well, that's my only worry as well.

However, when you think about it, we wouldn't be giving much up for him. It would be more of a trade for Waiters, which I think is worth it.
If we get Embiid in draft, we can just offload Bynum if he fails to impress over summer.
Really, not that big of a deal...
 
Well, that's my only worry as well.

However, when you think about it, we wouldn't be giving much up for him. It would be more of a trade for Waiters, which I think is worth it.
If we get Embiid in draft, we can just offload Bynum if he fails to impress over summer.
Really, not that big of a deal...
Another thing you are failing to realize is that we are rebuilding. And having cancerous individuals back in the locker room clearly makes that process damn near impossible to accomplish.....If you wanna stay locked up in your little pipe dream, go ahead and throw out ridiculous, and down-right stupid, trade ideas for the Kings. Don't go running crying to your mommy and daddy when it don't happen, though...
 
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We are definitely not rebounding. I'm not sure if you watched the game last night; however, once Cousins was in foul trouble, we got heavily out-rebounded. It was a disaster. They kept crashing the offensive board and we were leaking on the defensive board. They don't even have good rebounders, which is sad. This is why Cousins was ready to have an all-star kind of night with 20+ rebounds and 40 points if it wasn't for the foul trouble aka refs.

"Don't go running crying..." Nice try, Mr. Evans.
 

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Andre could be a stop gap at PG, either as a starter in shorter stints to allow IT to resume his 6th man role and make it easier to have one of IT/Gay/Cuz on the floor at times, or as a backup point to make it easier to spell IT, but I still wouldn't be all too pleased if we got Andre.

Turns 38 in the next couple months and isn't a good locker room presence. Issues recently in both Den and Por. Add to that he's nothing you can build with it comes across to me as a last resort. And if you're the type to worry about spacing for Gay/Cuz, just wait until you see defenses playing 10ft off Andre when he's off the ball.

But the PDA Den connection and Andre's connection to Sac does make some sense. I'd hope we can do better than a near 38 yr old who constantly b****es and moans about not playing enough.
 

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You're either forgetting or not admitting one thing: Andrew Bynum is a freaking disaster, a cancer that could do more to undo the good that's been done here since Vivek bought the team than anything else. You don't trade for someone like him when you're trying to resurrect a franchise. And if you think Bynum and Cousins could occupy the same locker room, you're pretty much delusional.
Who would get between them to break up the fight? It could be very, very ugly.
 
what I was trying to imply is, don't overlook the trade

Anyhow, I don't think Bynum is as big of a cancer as some of you may think. While he is not a star, he at least brings good post defense. I mean the lakers are trying to get rid of Gasol to have Bynum back. Obviously, he can't be that bad considering the Lakers used to own the kid.
Plus, Shaq and Cousins could bring that winning mentality back in him. He's a cancer in Cleveland cause he went from a championship team (Lakers previous years) to a bottom of the rung team where their star player apparently has a fat ego and their coach can't even keep the team together.
There is more to the story than just what we see....
I don't think that you understand why the Lakers are trying to get Bynum. Bynum's contract is not fully guaranteed while Gasol's is. So if the Lakers get Bynum they will immediately cut him. Doing so will prevent them from having to pay Bynum's full contract and that will actually save them around 20 million dollars.

The Lakers have realized too late that Gasol has very little trade value and if they can't get a pick or a prospect from him, they are hoping to at least get some salary relief...and salary relief is the only thing that Bynum can provide.

The other thing you have to understand is that with Bynum's bad knees...he can't play pick-n-roll defense because he simply isn't mobile enough.

Combined the lack of mobility with the lack of wanting to play basketball, then putting his attitude in the locker-room next to Cousins who is ferocious about winning...and you're looking at a disaster waiting to happen. And to cap it all off, you're paying Bynum millions of dollars for the mess.

No thank you.
 

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Andre could be a stop gap at PG, either as a starter in shorter stints to allow IT to resume his 6th man role and make it easier to have one of IT/Gay/Cuz on the floor at times, or as a backup point to make it easier to spell IT, but I still wouldn't be all too pleased if we got Andre.

Turns 38 in the next couple months and isn't a good locker room presence. Issues recently in both Den and Por. Add to that he's nothing you can build with it comes across to me as a last resort. And if you're the type to worry about spacing for Gay/Cuz, just wait until you see defenses playing 10ft off Andre when he's off the ball.

But the PDA Den connection and Andre's connection to Sac does make some sense. I'd hope we can do better than a near 38 yr old who constantly b****es and moans about not playing enough.
We are one injury to IT to essentially having no guards but there must be someone else available.
 
When I heard about the Andre Miller rumor I came up with this trade....

Kings Receive - Larry Sanders, Ersan Ilyasova, Andre Miller, Gary Neal
Nuggets receive - Ben Mclemore, Jason Thompson, Jimmer Fredette
Bucks Receive - Kenneth Faried, Marcus Thornton, Travis Outlaw
Why the Nuggets do it - Great young prospect in Ben McLemore. He might not be ready to start right away but a Ty Lawson/ McLemore duo has scary potential. Rumors surfaced earlier in the year about the Nuggets looking to trade Kenneth Faried, so its not out of the realm of possibility that they would consider dealing him. The Nuggets are also desperate for size with JJ Hickson starting for them at the Center position. JT would help in that area allowing Hickson to slide down to his natural position at PF. In summary the Nuggets trade one good prospect for another who I believe is a better fit for them going forward, also they solve a major problem by getting bigger and do this without taking on much salary.
That trade only benefits us... no way will the Nuggets trade Faried for bench players... including Mclemore. The bucks probably wouldn't consider it either. Ilyasova is a good player for them and even with Sander's problems, he's getting back on key.

How about this trade? Lakers, Kings, and Bulls.

Kings receive- Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy, Jodie Meeks, Kendall Marshall, and rights to Nikola Mirotic
Lakers receive- Jason Thompson, Ray McCallum, and Erik Murphy
Bulls receive- Chris Kaman, Ben McLemore, Travis Outlaw, Hdiaye, and future lakers 2nd round pick

Why Kings do it- Taj Gibson can be the big off the bench that the kings desperately need. Aside from that, he's a serviceable vet that can teach the young players a thing or two. Dunleavy can be a spark off the bench along with IT. He can stretch it out and plays decent defense like Gibson. Marshall is a pass first pg who never really got a shot at Phoenix. He was looking to be a good pg, but during the off season the Suns had too many guards and he was traded. He can be a good player in the league. Last game with the Lakers, he played 28 minutes shot 4-7 7asts 2tos 10pts. Nikola Mirotic looks like he can be a great european player in the NBA..but no one knows if he'll actually play here. The kings are trading Thompson who they can easily replace by moving Gay to the 4. His role in Sacramento has minimized and he's looking to be the odd man out. McLemore, while a ton of potential, the players we'Wre acquring would be better fits for our team.


Why Lakers do it- They're obviously unhappy about Kaman. He's actually a good player but his minutes have been inconsistent and it's been frustrating in all. They would be able to swap him for Jason Thompson who would have no problem adapting to any role given. Along with that, Ray McCallum is a rookie with an ability to score. He might be able to flourish while with the Lakers.

Why Bulls do it- Chris Kaman is an upgrade over Gibson and I don't think they would mind improving their scoring. Injuries plague this team, and he would be a good fit. McLemore is an intriguing talent. With Thibs, he'll be able to improve and be another rising star like Butler. They trade Dunleavy who is a serviceable and good vet, but get in return a good draft prospect. They'll trade up the rights of Nikola Mirotic because no one really knows if he'll ever play in the NBA. They'd rather get something for him now then lose on it.
 
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I don't think that you understand why the Lakers are trying to get Bynum. Bynum's contract is not fully guaranteed while Gasol's is. So if the Lakers get Bynum they will immediately cut him. Doing so will prevent them from having to pay Bynum's full contract and that will actually save them around 20 million dollars.

The Lakers have realized too late that Gasol has very little trade value and if they can't get a pick or a prospect from him, they are hoping to at least get some salary relief...and salary relief is the only thing that Bynum can provide.

The other thing you have to understand is that with Bynum's bad knees...he can't play pick-n-roll defense because he simply isn't mobile enough.

Combined the lack of mobility with the lack of wanting to play basketball, then putting his attitude in the locker-room next to Cousins who is ferocious about winning...and you're looking at a disaster waiting to happen. And to cap it all off, you're paying Bynum millions of dollars for the mess.

No thank you.
I already knew all this. You also forgot to mention the luxury tax is probably the main factor :)

You're right though, it probably wouldn't work out. My whole thing is, the trade would primarily be for Waiters...
We can always waiver Bynum's contract anyways...Especially with a good draft pick.
 
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I was wrong. The kings need to do whatever they can to make Jimmer look good. Hey get novel and run him off screens.

they need to create value and if some GMs can see the fans and players go crazy it will create more value for him. And could be the tipping point for a trade.
 
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