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I am not one bit concerend about his shooting. Defense is job number 1 and if he can hit a shot from time to time thats just a bonus and he is +40% shooter. Also Gay and Cousins get at much attention as Duncan and Parker. I'd be willing to say IT gets a fair amount of attention when he has the ball as well. In closing I believe Danny Green would work out nicely for us.
Gay and Cousins get a lot of attention, but the two offensive systems are very different. Watch our team when Cousins is in the low post (or high post, even). There is a lack of movement along the weak side. Very few downscreens. At best, you will see a cutter going to the paint when their defender doubles or makes a mistake. San Antonio has some of the best weakside offense in the game. There is almost always an open passing lane to the perimeter on a double-team.

I am 100% with you on getting him for defense. Any improvement there should be sought-after. I just think that roleplayers on good teams tend not to look very good when they get on bad teams. After the first ten games when Green is shooting 33% from the three point line because he doesn't get the open looks, and gets picked on the perimeter because Duncan isn't out there barking orders, we might get a wee bit critical.
 
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If D-Will can't adjust to his bench role imo we should offer him to Dallas for Brandon Wright (after Jan 15th) and see if they bite on it, Marion is most likely not coming back to the Mavs next season and they need young blood, D-Will has far more talent/potential than Crowder and he's young and someone the Mavs could use next to Dirk/Monta.

Brandon is a good fit next to Cousins/Gay and at worst even if we draft a big in the draft he can be a excellent back up and a starter while the rookie develops. It also gives us three good sized big's this year which we have not had for as long as I can remember.

This would most likely however require us to move Landry I assume later on
 
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Andre Miller got his first ever DNP - coaches decision (I think) maybe they really want to move him, think he would be terrific off the bench maybe they are willing to straight up get rid of him with there massive losing streak.

He was seen arguing on the bench with someone and had to be restrained, and it looks like the wheels may be coming off in Denver, as tonight's loss to the Sixers gives them eight straight.
 
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Andre Miller got his first ever DNP - coaches decision (I think) maybe they really want to move him, think he would be terrific off the bench maybe they are willing to straight up get rid of him with there massive losing streak.
i saw that too. heres a guy that we could really use. he wants to play no doubt and he could be a back up here hands down. back up here or just wasting away on the bench…..PETE D make it happen!
 
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i saw that too. heres a guy that we could really use. he wants to play no doubt and he could be a back up here hands down. back up here or just wasting away on the bench…..PETE D make it happen!
Plus Pete knows him from Denver
 
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Another interesting thing I read is there are rumors Josh Smith is up for trade and that the Pistons might try target Rudy Gay I personally like both players but getting Smith as the starting PF (he can't play SF) would not be bad, but It's probably a awful time to bring up the idea since Rudy has beasted for us. It would also open up playing time for Williams at SF just an idea for now. 4 years @ 54 million ain't bad for a player of his qualities.

It's something we really could consider if we land Parker or Wiggins as welll next season
 
Another interesting thing I read is there are rumors Josh Smith is up for trade and that the Pistons might try target Rudy Gay I personally like both players but getting Smith as the starting PF (he can't play SF) would not be bad, but It's probably a awful time to bring up the idea since Rudy has beasted for us. It would also open up playing time for Williams at SF just an idea for now. 4 years @ 54 million ain't bad for a player of his qualities.

It's something we really could consider if we land Parker or Wiggins as welll next season
Doubt we are going to be drafting high and I wouldn't trade one of our best players for a contract the pistons might be looking to move for free
 
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Doubt we are going to be drafting high and I wouldn't trade one of our best players for a contract the pistons might be looking to move for free
It's something I would not consider now but depending on the draft we could look to do imo, I just bourght it up for discussion purposes it's not something I would do either right now.
 
Another interesting thing I read is there are rumors Josh Smith is up for trade and that the Pistons might try target Rudy Gay I personally like both players but getting Smith as the starting PF (he can't play SF) would not be bad, but It's probably a awful time to bring up the idea since Rudy has beasted for us. It would also open up playing time for Williams at SF just an idea for now. 4 years @ 54 million ain't bad for a player of his qualities.
It's something we really could consider if we land Parker or Wiggins as welll next season
Smith actually does what reputation attributed to Gay (I don't believe I saw him do that much while on the Kings) - take a lot of long-range twos. And with very bad results. He's an excellent defensive player but he has inflated opinion of himself, and when Smith is not a big part of the offense, he's sulking. And you don't want his offense.
 
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Another interesting thing I read is there are rumors Josh Smith is up for trade and that the Pistons might try target Rudy Gay I personally like both players but getting Smith as the starting PF (he can't play SF) would not be bad, but It's probably a awful time to bring up the idea since Rudy has beasted for us. It would also open up playing time for Williams at SF just an idea for now. 4 years @ 54 million ain't bad for a player of his qualities.

It's something we really could consider if we land Parker or Wiggins as welll next season
Josh Smith USED to be a great player. I think he's a little washed up nowadays and Gay is miles better than him. Saying this, I'd still take him over JT, Jimmer, Thorton and Landry combined.

Landing Parker or Wiggins? Not going to happen with our squad that we have now lol
The best we'll get is an Exum or maybe a Randle (who I think many squads will overlook).
 
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Andre Miller got his first ever DNP - coaches decision (I think) maybe they really want to move him, think he would be terrific off the bench maybe they are willing to straight up get rid of him with there massive losing streak.
Andrew Miller would be a dream. A pass first guard who is scrappy on defense. I always hated when the Kings had to face Andre Miller. He was such a scrappy player and you would think that a guard with no athleticism at all would be rundown in the NBA but man he sure made a name for himself in this league. A creative player with a knack for being the leader when he is on the court. I'd do a trade up for thornton and Jimmer and another player from them. I'm not sure what his salary is though, that might be an issue.
 
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What do some of you guys think about MarShon Brooks from the Celtics? I honestly thought he was going to be a star in the league when I saw him in his rookie season and then he went downhill. I know he's not an incredible player and he's currently in the D-League, but I think he could benefit from a change of scenery. He's a decent defender and quite athletic. I'd trade Thornton for him and another decent bench player (preferably a defender from the Celtics) considering they are trying to tank. Albeit, I think Pete and Co are looking for much better players.
 
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Also, there are rumors that Minnesota would be willing to trade Rubio considering he's not living up to his hype and they need a more effective guard on the offensive end (albeit, I think that's kind of bull considering they have 3 big scorers in Martin, Love and Pekovic).
I would trade IT and a few others for a player like Rubio. Top 5 in assists and steals per game. Also, tons of raw potential and could possibly be a hall of famer depending on how hard he works. He was amazing before his injury, I think he just needs to gain his confidence back. We'd probably have to throw in a draft pick as well...or two.
 

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Also, there are rumors that Minnesota would be willing to trade Rubio considering he's not living up to his hype and they need a more effective guard on the offensive end (albeit, I think that's kind of bull considering they have 3 big scorers in Martin, Love and Pekovic).
I would trade IT and a few others for a player like Rubio. Top 5 in assists and steals per game. Also, tons of raw potential and could possibly be a hall of famer depending on how hard he works. He was amazing before his injury, I think he just needs to gain his confidence back. We'd probably have to throw in a draft pick as well...or two.
Well, the Kings can't deal a 1st rounder until they convey the one they owe to Cleveland, which likely won't happen this year.

Besides, unless its 2nd rounders I don't want to see the Kings trading away any draft picks, protected or not. As a small market team the draft is the absolute best way to add and keep talent.
 

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Also, there are rumors that Minnesota would be willing to trade Rubio considering he's not living up to his hype and they need a more effective guard on the offensive end (albeit, I think that's kind of bull considering they have 3 big scorers in Martin, Love and Pekovic).
I would trade IT and a few others for a player like Rubio. Top 5 in assists and steals per game. Also, tons of raw potential and could possibly be a hall of famer depending on how hard he works. He was amazing before his injury, I think he just needs to gain his confidence back. We'd probably have to throw in a draft pick as well...or two.
Hard call to make. IT IS improving on moving the ball and may just become a true Nash type player where you live with the poor D because of the offense he brings. Now if we could trade Thorton for Rubio I would do that in a heartbeat.
 
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Woj reporting our interest in Andre Miller. Where do I sign up?
He will help the 2nd unit but he will not help the defence one bit at this point but I would love for it to occur not sure he would be all that thrilled with it he wants to be play for a playoffs team but he's a pro and will help down no doubt.
 
I wonder if the Bucks would do a package of Mclemore/Williams + filler for Sanders + filler
I like ben as much as the next guy but it's getting ridiculous now. I'd trade for sanders but make it ben/JT for him. LaVine, Young, and Harris are all great shooting SG we could draft (6-10) that can be 3D guys.
Hopefully PDA isn't scared to make that trade if the bucks wanted too.
 
I like ben as much as the next guy but it's getting ridiculous now. I'd trade for sanders but make it ben/JT for him. LaVine, Young, and Harris are all great shooting SG we could draft (6-10) that can be 3D guys.
Hopefully PDA isn't scared to make that trade if the bucks wanted too.
I'd honestly rather ship Ben and a ugly contract for a 1st rounder in this years draft. Ben is full of raw potential, and it doesn't mean I'm giving up on him, I just believe there are players in the draft that will be better than him.
 
Looks like miller just got suspended for 2 games by Shaw
I believe Andre Miller has only missed 3 games ever in his long NBA career - so that will now become 5. Does anyone know about Miller's connection to Sacramento area? I believe he had home in Sac at one point, maybe still does. I think it was result of wife or girlfriend from the area - possibly home in El Dorado or Placer county. Anyway, considering our current PG follies he might be some help for what has become an overall certified Kings backcourt disaster.

Note: Miller is in 2nd year of his 3 year contract w/ Denver. $5 mil this season and then one more year at $4.6 mil.
 
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Rick majerus back in the day revealed dre wouldnt mind playing here, of course that is when we were good. Now I would think dre is at the point where he would like to be in the post season while we are not in a must win year. Im a ray guy but as others have said maybe the staff dont think he's a legit prospect
 
Unlike Kendall Marshall and DJ Augustin proposed in other thread, Miller actually has pedigree to move IT to the bench even if his game at a lowest point of his career.
 
I wonder if the Bucks would do a package of Mclemore/Williams + filler for Sanders + filler
When I heard about the Andre Miller rumor I came up with this trade....

Kings Receive - Larry Sanders, Ersan Ilyasova, Andre Miller, Gary Neal
Nuggets receive - Ben Mclemore, Jason Thompson, Jimmer Fredette
Bucks Receive - Kenneth Faried, Marcus Thornton, Travis Outlaw

Why the Bucks do it - The Bucks are in super tank mode at 7-25 at this point. They give up a valuable asset in Larry Sanders but have the up and coming John Henson to fill his void. Rumors surfaced about a week ago claiming the bucks were looking to trade Sanders. In return they get a major hustle player in Kenneth Faried. Also they shed 2 million off of next years payroll instantly and trade Ilyasova's 4 year 8mil contract with Thorntons 2 year 8 mil, essentially shaving two years off of what looks like a contract they regret handing out. Also they have no other SF's on the team besides Caron Butler, so Outlaw gives them some sort of a backup. Overall they shed salary, shed contract years, and gain a good young player and stay the course for a star player in this years draft which is full of potential SF and PF star prospects.

Why the Nuggets do it - Great young prospect in Ben McLemore. He might not be ready to start right away but a Ty Lawson/ McLemore duo has scary potential. Rumors surfaced earlier in the year about the Nuggets looking to trade Kenneth Faried, so its not out of the realm of possibility that they would consider dealing him. The Nuggets are also desperate for size with JJ Hickson starting for them at the Center position. JT would help in that area allowing Hickson to slide down to his natural position at PF. In summary the Nuggets trade one good prospect for another who I believe is a better fit for them going forward, also they solve a major problem by getting bigger and do this without taking on much salary.

Why the Kings do it - Kings take a chance by trading away Bmac in his rookie year, but along with him goes nearly every headache we've endured as Kings fans over the last few years. No More Thompson, No Thornton, No Outlaw, No Fredette. In return we Receive what I believe to be a perfect compliment to DMC in Larry Sanders. Last year this guy averaged 9.5 rpg and 2.8 bpg. He's down a little bit this year with the emergence of John Henson, but this also makes him slightly more expendable in the eyes of the Bucks. The biggest downfall of this trade for the Kings is taking on the contract of Ersan Ilyasova who's contract is similar to Thorntons, but 2 years longer. Also Ilyasova is having a dreadful year down in almost every major statistical category except for MPG... which is bad. In the past he was a major 3pt threat, but this year he's shooting an awful .174 from the arc and almost seems like he's given up on the team. Taking him on could be a disaster, but my feeling is that a change of scenery would right the ship and turn out to be a big win for us going forward, if not he'd be our new Marcus Thornton for the next 4 years. Also we get Andre Miller and Gary Neal who would both give our 2 guard spot a major boost in productivity. To summerize we trade away an extremely young player with possible star potential as well as all of our problem children... in return we get a perfect Defensive compliment to our franchise player, a serviceable fix for the SG spot, and 2 more years of what could possibly turn out to be a bad contract.

Yeah, its a giant ridiculous trade with no hope of happening, but it kept me entertained. What do you guys think?
 
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