Kings active in trade talks?

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peacelate

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Trade Idea

Kings Receive
Larry Sanders

Bucks Receive
Omer Asik
Greg Smith

Rockets Receive
Jason Thompson
Travis Outlaw
Luke Ridnour



Why the Kings do it
-The Kings need a shot blocker desperately, something they haven't had since Dalembert left. Sanders is an elite shotblocker and very good rebounder who can take defensive pressure off of Cousins keeping him out of foul trouble. Downside is that Sanders is a big commitment as he was extended last summer for 4/44 and his contract ends 2018. Kings get rid of Outlaw who no longer has a role with the team and Thompson while serviceable most likely has no future with the team.

Why the Bucks do it
The Bucks already have John Henson who is looking like he could be a very good player in this league. His PER 36 are 15.7 pts, 10.0 RBS, and 2.9 BLKs. The problem is that Henson is listed at 6'11" 220 lbs. Sanders is 6'11" 235. Neither guy seems like they can bang with centers like Hibbert and Lopez. The Bucks get Asik who is one of the better defenders in the league and can play man to man defense on bigger centers. If my understanding is correct, they would also get his Bird Rights next year as well.

Why the Rockets do it
The Rockets get rid of Asik who has been a distraction all season. Thompson is a nice role player and while the Rockets are a very deep and talented team, they rank only 17th in the league in rebounding. Right now, they are playing Terrence Jones who is putting up solid numbers, but have little depth behind Howard and Jones. They also receive Outlaw who is a decent defender and can hit the outside shot and Ridnour who is a good veteran point guard who can help them in the playoffs.
 
Bricklayer

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kingzallday said:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...gnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=765&line=220225&spln=1

Idk how reliable this source is, but can we flip Rudy to NY for Chandler and Smith? It would be a dream to have Chandler and Cousins paired up.

Edit: Nevermind Rudy can't be traded immediately. So what do we offer?
Thornton and Thompson for Chandler works but JR cant be traded until January 15...
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You really really really don't want J.R. Smith in your lockerroom. He's scum. And he'll probably threaten to send his homies after me via twitter for saying so. Just a waste of good air.
 
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peacelate said:
Trade Idea

Kings Receive
Larry Sanders

Bucks Receive
Omer Asik
Greg Smith

Rockets Receive
Jason Thompson
Travis Outlaw
Luke Ridnour



Why the Kings do it
-The Kings need a shot blocker desperately, something they haven't had since Dalembert left. Sanders is an elite shotblocker and very good rebounder who can take defensive pressure off of Cousins keeping him out of foul trouble. Downside is that Sanders is a big commitment as he was extended last summer for 4/44 and his contract ends 2018. Kings get rid of Outlaw who no longer has a role with the team and Thompson while serviceable most likely has no future with the team.

Why the Bucks do it
The Bucks already have John Henson who is looking like he could be a very good player in this league. His PER 36 are 15.7 pts, 10.0 RBS, and 2.9 BLKs. The problem is that Henson is listed at 6'11" 220 lbs. Sanders is 6'11" 235. Neither guy seems like they can bang with centers like Hibbert and Lopez. The Bucks get Asik who is one of the better defenders in the league and can play man to man defense on bigger centers. If my understanding is correct, they would also get his Bird Rights next year as well.

Why the Rockets do it
The Rockets get rid of Asik who has been a distraction all season. Thompson is a nice role player and while the Rockets are a very deep and talented team, they rank only 17th in the league in rebounding. Right now, they are playing Terrence Jones who is putting up solid numbers, but have little depth behind Howard and Jones. They also receive Outlaw who is a decent defender and can hit the outside shot and Ridnour who is a good veteran point guard who can help them in the playoffs.
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Interesting idea. I wonder if we would 'balk' at Sanders, simply because he may not gel with the push for a culture and attitude change. He and Cousins together, could potentially set an NBA technical fouls record for two players on the same team
 
kingzallday

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Bricklayer said:
You really really really don't want J.R. Smith in your lockerroom. He's scum. And he'll probably threaten to send his homies after me via twitter for saying so. Just a waste of good air.
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Yeah I know but the thought of having Chandler is giving me goosebumps. Maybe we can put J.R. on "IR". lol
 
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peacelate said:
Trade Idea

Kings Receive
Larry Sanders

Bucks Receive
Omer Asik
Greg Smith

Rockets Receive
Jason Thompson
Travis Outlaw
Luke Ridnour



Why the Kings do it
-The Kings need a shot blocker desperately, something they haven't had since Dalembert left. Sanders is an elite shotblocker and very good rebounder who can take defensive pressure off of Cousins keeping him out of foul trouble. Downside is that Sanders is a big commitment as he was extended last summer for 4/44 and his contract ends 2018. Kings get rid of Outlaw who no longer has a role with the team and Thompson while serviceable most likely has no future with the team.

Why the Bucks do it
The Bucks already have John Henson who is looking like he could be a very good player in this league. His PER 36 are 15.7 pts, 10.0 RBS, and 2.9 BLKs. The problem is that Henson is listed at 6'11" 220 lbs. Sanders is 6'11" 235. Neither guy seems like they can bang with centers like Hibbert and Lopez. The Bucks get Asik who is one of the better defenders in the league and can play man to man defense on bigger centers. If my understanding is correct, they would also get his Bird Rights next year as well.

Why the Rockets do it
The Rockets get rid of Asik who has been a distraction all season. Thompson is a nice role player and while the Rockets are a very deep and talented team, they rank only 17th in the league in rebounding. Right now, they are playing Terrence Jones who is putting up solid numbers, but have little depth behind Howard and Jones. They also receive Outlaw who is a decent defender and can hit the outside shot and Ridnour who is a good veteran point guard who can help them in the playoffs.
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Very nice assessment. You have to wonder, however, if the allegations against him (even though no charges were actually filed) might be enough for Vivek and PDA to steer clear. They'd be taking a calculated risk by bringing him here for that much money if there is fire from the smoke, so to speak.
 
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Bricklayer said:
You really really really don't want J.R. Smith in your lockerroom. He's scum. And he'll probably threaten to send his homies after me via twitter for saying so. Just a waste of good air.
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I dunno brick Thornton, JT, outlaw, jimmer for chandler, smith, and shumpert. Then we could finally use our amnesty on smith lol. We would pay him 11 mil over next two but save more than that with the final two of JT. Not to mention we get that shotblocker and rebounder with chandler and a defensive sg with shumpert. Again only way I do it is the amnesty of smith. We are one of the few teams that haven't used it yet.
 
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I dunno brick Thornton, JT, outlaw, jimmer for chandler, smith, and shumpert. Then we could finally use our amnesty on smith lol. We would pay him 11 mil over next two but save more than that with the final two of JT. Not to mention we get that shotblocker and rebounder with chandler and a defensive sg with shumpert. Again only way I do it is the amnesty of smith. We are one of the few teams that haven't used it yet.
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Don't think amnesty works that way. Thought he had to be on team already.
 
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peacelate

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Entity said:
Isaiah, ray
Shumpert, bmac
Gay, Williams, acy
Chandler, williams, Landry
Cuz, gray, ndaiye

Maybe we could get beno thrown in as well
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Not sure why the Knicks would do it. The trade would leave them with a front line of Stoudemire, Bargnani and Thompson. Thompson's contract runs just as long as Smith's so they get no cap relief. Thornton's and Outlaw's contract is just as long as Chandlers.
 
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peacelate said:
Not sure why the Knicks would do it. The trade would leave them with a front line of Stoudemire, Bargnani and Thompson. Thompson's contract runs just as long as Smith's so they get no cap relief. Thornton's and Outlaw's contract is just as long as Chandlers.
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The rumor is they would trade both. I'm just going off that. JT has one more year than smith and smiths last year is option so.... JT runs 2 more than smith

sdballer said:
Don't think amnesty works that way. Thought he had to be on team already.
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Rule says that had to signed before 2011 season. Don't think they have to be with same team. Didn't see it in rules anyway.
 
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Lets say I'm wrong. Wouldn't spending an extra 6-7 mil be worth it for chandler and shumpert instead of JT and Thornton. I like JT a lot but we have been looking for a guy like chandler for years. Shouldn't you jump to actually have chandler?
 
Capt. Factorial

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Entity said:
Rule says that had to signed before 2011 season. Don't think they have to be with same team. Didn't see it in rules anyway.
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For a player to be eligible for the Amnesty provision he must be on his team's roster continuously from July 1, 2011 to the date he is amnestied, without any new contract, extension, renegotiation or other amendment to his contract in the meantime. Players who were waived prior to July 1, 2011 and are still receiving guaranteed salary are also eligible. Teams cannot amnesty players they sign, receive in trade, extend, renegotiate, or otherwise amend after July 1, 2011.
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cuad said:
I'm kinda sour on Larry Sanders because he has a fat contract and off the court club fights at 3 AM. Not even Cousins does that.
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Yes, Cousins gets a few too many techs on the court (whether or not deserved is another story). But what has he done negative off the court? Off the court, you couldn't ask for more.
 
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Entity said:
I dunno brick Thornton, JT, outlaw, jimmer for chandler, smith, and shumpert. Then we could finally use our amnesty on smith lol. We would pay him 11 mil over next two but save more than that with the final two of JT. Not to mention we get that shotblocker and rebounder with chandler and a defensive sg with shumpert. Again only way I do it is the amnesty of smith. We are one of the few teams that haven't used it yet.
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Salmons was the last one we could amnesty. There are only 12 players left that can be amnestied.
 
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Kingsfan23

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From what I've read the raptors are all but pushing Lowry out the door. The raps supposedly want to rebuild/tank and Lowry keeps them treadmill ing. A possible destinations were new York/new jersey but I guess both can't or won't give up any prospects. I believe someone is going to get Lowry soon/cheap
 
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Kingsfan23 said:
From what I've read the raptors are all but pushing Lowry out the door. The raps supposedly want to rebuild/tank and Lowry keeps them treadmill ing. A possible destinations were new York/new jersey but I guess both can't or won't give up any prospects. I believe someone is going to get Lowry soon/cheap
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Given that we just traded with them, pretty obvious we either did not have an interest, or did not have remaining pieces we were willing to give up that they wanted for him.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Given that we just traded with them, pretty obvious we either did not have an interest, or did not have remaining pieces we were willing to give up that they wanted for him.
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That may be entirely true although it appears to me that there was no serious attempt to market him thought the media until after our trade. New York, the destination he was initially linked to , reportedly is reluctant to part with prospects (sump, hard away) or firsts,hopefully this is the market for him. We have no real spare asseTts and I hope Ujiri Gets to the point of accepting expiring/low prospect from his boy Pete although he may not have wanted to initially
 
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Assuming Landry comes back before the trade deadline

Could we offer Landry for Andre Miller straight up?
Why? Denver has not had a low post scorer since Nene left, Hickson and Faired pretty much are garbage men and Denver might look to deal Faried/has been looking since his contract is small and they just give a decent contract to Hickson. Landry gives them a low post option and makes them offensively way more diverse and a bigger threat in the playoffs (assuming they make it). It also opens up playing time for Evan Fournier who has serious ability.

Why we do it, we get a legit OG who has excelled as both a starting/6th man PG and can switch his game up from being a passer to a scorer and he's only on a two year deal. On top of that it would make some of my NBA dreams come true lol. Landry coming back will only kill off Williams playing time and JT is a better fit right now with this current squad.

Another idea could be Perkins ( yes I know he sucks) and Thabo for Carl Landry (health permitting) and Marcus Thronton, Thabo has been pretty crappie this year and with how Roberson (great D) and Lamb have looked could make him moveable but they would have to take Thornton cause we are taking ultimate garbage in Perkins. Landry gives them there only post up option similar to Denver and toughness.

Perkins next season can be a back up C since Gray is gone and he's gone after that and for this year we got a elite defender to either start or bring off the bench who can help out Mclemore. We clear a decent amount of cap space season after next with this move.
 
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Would love to have Miller but they'd never take on Landry. Hickson is giving them the same production per minute as Landry, with better rebounding. Denver is looking for a big man defender as well.

The only two valuable trade pieces we have left are IT and McLemore and if we're going to trade them we better be looking at getting the perfect piece that were missing to build this team into a playoff contender.

Thornton has completely screwed us by playing like crap and giving himself absolutely no value on the trade market other than "maybe he'll turn it around". Thompson has decent trade value but he's likely to be lumped in with IT or McLemore for a bigger trade if it's going to happen. It's hard to trade Thompson straight up for someone because his value on the market is probably lower than his value to this team.
 
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ESP47 said:
Thornton has completely screwed us by playing like crap and giving himself absolutely no value on the trade market other than "maybe he'll turn it around". Thompson has decent trade value but he's likely to be lumped in with IT or McLemore for a bigger trade if it's going to happen. It's hard to trade Thompson straight up for someone because his value on the market is probably lower than his value to this team.
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If Thornton does get traded (because he's coupled with a player of value), watch him just light it up for his new team. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
 
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