Kings active in trade talks?

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hrdboild

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bajaden said:
Boy, I'm not a big Biyombo fan. I saw him play 3 times in summer league, and I've caught a few of his games his year, and for what you gain defensively, you give up on the offensive side of the ball. There are times when he's just lost out there. I'd rather take a flyer on Udoh or someone of similar ilk. If all you want is a defensive stopper PG, then we should be able to draft Aaron Craft in the second round of the next draft. He and Marcus Smart are the two best defensive PG's in all of college. Semaj Christon is a very good defender as well, but he's probably going in the first round. By the way, he's a hell of a PG. He doesn't get the PR some of the others get playing at Xavior, but he's a very talented PG with good size at 6'3", and is one of the best ballhandlers in all of college.
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I don't think a defensive PG off the bench helps us all that much. We already have Ray McCallum who's a very good athlete and should be able to hold his own defensively when he's in the game. We need a starting PG who can play defense and distribute the ball for 35 mins a night. Maybe Smart is the guy, but I'm a little bit wary about his ratio of shots to assists. I wasn't impressed with him last season -- didn't look good in the games that I watched -- but I should be able to watch him more this season.
 
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hrdboild said:
I don't think a defensive PG off the bench helps us all that much. We already have Ray McCallum who's a very good athlete and should be able to hold his own defensively when he's in the game. We need a starting PG who can play defense and distribute the ball for 35 mins a night. Maybe Smart is the guy, but I'm a little bit wary about his ratio of shots to assists. I wasn't impressed with him last season -- didn't look good in the games that I watched -- but I should be able to watch him more this season.
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who is this mythical type player?
 
hrdboild

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who is this mythical type player?
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There aren't a ton of frontline starting PGs obviously, but I don't think looking for a two-way player at the position is asking too much. Rondo, Conley, Lowry, Rubio, and Bledsoe are all plus defenders who can play the position. Westbrook is more of a scorer than a distributor, but he's an excellent defender as well. Evans when he played PG for us was a good on-the-ball defender and later became a pretty good team defender as well. Jrue Holiday maybe. Chris Paul definitely. Avery Bradley doesn't have the passing skills necessarily, but he does have the defensive chops. All I'm really looking for is someone who is going to make life difficult for the other team's PG and allow our defense to get set behind him without constantly having to make impossible rotations.
 
TheBadGuy

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hrdboild said:
There aren't a ton of frontline starting PGs obviously, but I don't think looking for a two-way player at the position is asking too much. Rondo, Conley, Lowry, Rubio, and Bledsoe are all plus defenders who can play the position. Westbrook is more of a scorer than a distributor, but he's an excellent defender as well. Evans when he played PG for us was a good on-the-ball defender and later became a pretty good team defender as well. Jrue Holiday maybe. Chris Paul definitely. Avery Bradley doesn't have the passing skills necessarily, but he does have the defensive chops. All I'm really looking for is someone who is going to make life difficult for the other team's PG and allow our defense to get set behind him without constantly having to make impossible rotations.
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Chauncey Billups when he was in his prime
 
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hrdboild said:
There aren't a ton of frontline starting PGs obviously, but I don't think looking for a two-way player at the position is asking too much. Rondo, Conley, Lowry, Rubio, and Bledsoe are all plus defenders who can play the position. Westbrook is more of a scorer than a distributor, but he's an excellent defender as well. Evans when he played PG for us was a good on-the-ball defender and later became a pretty good team defender as well. Jrue Holiday maybe. Chris Paul definitely. Avery Bradley doesn't have the passing skills necessarily, but he does have the defensive chops. All I'm really looking for is someone who is going to make life difficult for the other team's PG and allow our defense to get set behind him without constantly having to make impossible rotations.
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Which is my point. Of the people you named, Rondo, Rubio, Cp3 are the only ones that throw the lobs like GV. Yes the other guys are good passers, but they don't have the same vision. I think people need to be realistic about the players in the league. It's rare to have the combo you mentioned. It's more likely any defensive PG will have a lot of offensive limitations and vice versa.
 
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Which is my point. Of the people you named, Rondo, Rubio, Cp3 are the only ones that throw the lobs like GV. Yes the other guys are good passers, but they don't have the same vision. I think people need to be realistic about the players in the league. It's rare to have the combo you mentioned. It's more likely any defensive PG will have a lot of offensive limitations and vice versa.
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Well then, all things being equal, I would go with the offensively limited player who is able to contain their match-up. I don't think Malone wants a team that is top 15 defensively, I think he wants a team that is top 5 defensively. And that's never going to happen without somebody out there getting the majority of the minutes who's stopping the ball at the point of attack. I think you're exaggerating a bit on how difficult it is to look at the floor and get the ball to the open player. Williams comes in here and practices twice with the team and he's already able to communicate when he wants to get the ball at the rim. I think any average NBA level PG can make those reads and deliver the ball. Especially with sufficient time to prepare and learn the offense/players we have on our team. We were also commenting in the game thread about how Vasquez missed open looks for McLemore all game long so he's hardly perfect either. And yet the offense was not the problem against the Clipps. We win that game with somebody on the floor who can limit the Jamal Crawford damage.
 
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hrdboild said:
Well then, all things being equal, I would go with the offensively limited player who is able to contain their match-up. I don't think Malone wants a team that is top 15 defensively, I think he wants a team that is top 5 defensively. And that's never going to happen without somebody out there getting the majority of the minutes who's stopping the ball at the point of attack. I think you're exaggerating a bit on how difficult it is to look at the floor and get the ball to the open player. Williams comes in here and practices twice with the team and he's already able to communicate when he wants to get the ball at the rim. I think any average NBA level PG can make those reads and deliver the ball. Especially with sufficient time to prepare and learn the offense/players we have on our team. We were also commenting in the game thread about how Vasquez missed open looks for McLemore all game long so he's hardly perfect either. And yet the offense was not the problem against the Clipps. We win that game with somebody on the floor who can limit the Jamal Crawford damage.
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he's not available, but when every time I think about what kind of PG this team should have, the guy I end up picturing is George Hill. with that kind of guy at the helm, a good slasher type as the SF and a rim protector at the 4/5, this whole thing might have legs.
 
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jalfa said:
he's not available, but when every time I think about what kind of PG this team should have, the guy I end up picturing is George Hill. with that kind of guy at the helm, a good slasher type as the SF and a rim protector at the 4/5, this whole thing might have legs.
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Hmm ... well the obvious solution would be to support the Pacers :D
 
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hrdboild said:
There aren't a ton of frontline starting PGs obviously, but I don't think looking for a two-way player at the position is asking too much. Rondo, Conley, Lowry, Rubio, and Bledsoe are all plus defenders who can play the position. Westbrook is more of a scorer than a distributor, but he's an excellent defender as well. Evans when he played PG for us was a good on-the-ball defender and later became a pretty good team defender as well. Jrue Holiday maybe. Chris Paul definitely. Avery Bradley doesn't have the passing skills necessarily, but he does have the defensive chops. All I'm really looking for is someone who is going to make life difficult for the other team's PG and allow our defense to get set behind him without constantly having to make impossible rotations.
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Bledsoe is exactly the pg we should be going after. He will defend and distribute, at this point I wouldnt be upset if the FO cleared cap room to give him a top dollar deal.

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Wouldnt that bad of a core to roll with going forward. I dont worry about putting a rim protector around Demarcus now that he is making 1 or 2 impactful timely blocks a night now.
 
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That looks like a team that's built for the regular season. What do you expect to happen to that team in the playoffs, when they take away the transition game, and Cousins is getting double-teamed every night?
 
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dude12 said:
We have a PG who can defend....Ray McCallum.
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Exactly. Many are 'skipping ahead' trying to think of other solutions, when a solid all around point guard may already be right in our back pocket. Lets at least give him a chance to play some decent time in actual NBA games, before asssuming that he couldn't be what we're looking for
 
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I wouldn't be disappointed if we somehow ended up with Marcus Smart in the draft.....with all due respect to the super frosh, I might like Smart on this team more than any other player from the draft.
 
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dude12 said:
I wouldn't be disappointed if we somehow ended up with Marcus Smart in the draft.....with all due respect to the super frosh, I might like Smart on this team more than any other player from the draft.
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pg is an issue that might need to be addressed over the long term. I don't study the draft at this point or watch college ball but it seems at a cursory glance like the top pg prospects are in the tweener mold
 
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hrdboild said:
Well then, all things being equal, I would go with the offensively limited player who is able to contain their match-up. I don't think Malone wants a team that is top 15 defensively, I think he wants a team that is top 5 defensively. And that's never going to happen without somebody out there getting the majority of the minutes who's stopping the ball at the point of attack. I think you're exaggerating a bit on how difficult it is to look at the floor and get the ball to the open player. Williams comes in here and practices twice with the team and he's already able to communicate when he wants to get the ball at the rim. I think any average NBA level PG can make those reads and deliver the ball. Especially with sufficient time to prepare and learn the offense/players we have on our team. We were also commenting in the game thread about how Vasquez missed open looks for McLemore all game long so he's hardly perfect either. And yet the offense was not the problem against the Clipps. We win that game with somebody on the floor who can limit the Jamal Crawford damage.
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Hate to break it to you, But crawford was playing just about his normal stats. His minutes were up from CP3 an Redick being out, but it's not like he went off for 30+. I like how people aren't mentioning that it was GV who was on Crawford for the last shot and he did a good job of staying in front of him making him take a contested jumper. They need to play better team defense. Nobody is going to consistently stop PG's with todays rules.
 
hrdboild

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Hate to break it to you, But crawford was playing just about his normal stats. His minutes were up from CP3 an Redick being out, but it's not like he went off for 30+. I like how people aren't mentioning that it was GV who was on Crawford for the last shot and he did a good job of staying in front of him making him take a contested jumper. They need to play better team defense. Nobody is going to consistently stop PG's with todays rules.
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Umm, okay... http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/165/jamal-crawford
 
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"One of the main reasons McLemore’s career is at a crossroads is the rumor that the Sacramento Kings have been in discussions for a trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers for Dion Waiters. Cleveland wants to trade Waiters and Waiters is open for a trade. Couple that with the fact Sacramento has not hidden their interest in making trades this season plus McLemore’s inconsistent play and you have the possibility of a trade moving the rookie out of Kansas before Christmas."


This was on fan sided website when ranking the rookies today. Has anyone heard of this trade rumor? I follow the cabs real close and waiters will be an all star in this league and I believe he can play pg full time he is actually a better passer than irving
 
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hrdboild said:
I don't think a defensive PG off the bench helps us all that much. We already have Ray McCallum who's a very good athlete and should be able to hold his own defensively when he's in the game. We need a starting PG who can play defense and distribute the ball for 35 mins a night. Maybe Smart is the guy, but I'm a little bit wary about his ratio of shots to assists. I wasn't impressed with him last season -- didn't look good in the games that I watched -- but I should be able to watch him more this season.
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I only mentioned a defensive PG because you brought it up. Personally, I don't think PG is our biggest area of need, although defense is an important factor. As I've said before, the jury is still out for me on smart, who I think is more of a combo guard anyway. But hey, he may prove me wrong. Hell, it may be that McCallum is our starting PG of the future.
 
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randymoss1881 said:
"One of the main reasons McLemore’s career is at a crossroads is the rumor that the Sacramento Kings have been in discussions for a trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers for Dion Waiters. Cleveland wants to trade Waiters and Waiters is open for a trade. Couple that with the fact Sacramento has not hidden their interest in making trades this season plus McLemore’s inconsistent play and you have the possibility of a trade moving the rookie out of Kansas before Christmas."


This was on fan sided website when ranking the rookies today. Has anyone heard of this trade rumor? I follow the cabs real close and waiters will be an all star in this league and I believe he can play pg full time he is actually a better passer than irving
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lol...

Ben ain't going nowhere. Inconsistent play? He's a freaking rookie. Yes, the Kings want to make trades but they're not gonna be trading away the kids.
 
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get wid the program. 7 footers who anchor a defense and do nothing else will make 10+ mils. only half a dozen of those in the league.
 
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bajaden said:
I only mentioned a defensive PG because you brought it up. Personally, I don't think PG is our biggest area of need, although defense is an important factor. As I've said before, the jury is still out for me on smart, who I think is more of a combo guard anyway. But hey, he may prove me wrong. Hell, it may be that McCallum is our starting PG of the future.
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I agree with all of the above although Smart is making me a bit more interested. I think the whole scenario means we have to play McCallum and frankly I don't care whose minutes he gets. We have to see if he has an NBA career in front of him. If him getting playing time bruises anyone's feelings, tough. They do not have the team as their number one concern and as far as I am concern, can move on.
 
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randymoss1881 said:
"One of the main reasons McLemore’s career is at a crossroads is the rumor that the Sacramento Kings have been in discussions for a trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers for Dion Waiters. Cleveland wants to trade Waiters and Waiters is open for a trade. Couple that with the fact Sacramento has not hidden their interest in making trades this season plus McLemore’s inconsistent play and you have the possibility of a trade moving the rookie out of Kansas before Christmas."
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This is silly. McLemore's career can't even see a crossroad yet.
 
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randymoss1881 said:
"One of the main reasons McLemore’s career is at a crossroads is the rumor that the Sacramento Kings have been in discussions for a trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers for Dion Waiters. Cleveland wants to trade Waiters and Waiters is open for a trade. Couple that with the fact Sacramento has not hidden their interest in making trades this season plus McLemore’s inconsistent play and you have the possibility of a trade moving the rookie out of Kansas before Christmas."


This was on fan sided website when ranking the rookies today. Has anyone heard of this trade rumor? I follow the cabs real close and waiters will be an all star in this league and I believe he can play pg full time he is actually a better passer than irving
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Unlike you, I' m not a big fan of Waiters, and if he was as good as you think, the Cav's wouldn't be shopping him. He's a glorified Thronton, and like Thornton, he's undersized for the SG position. The Cav's never should have drafted him that high. I was absolutely stunned when they picked him. That said, I read all the newspapers and read all the blogs, and yes, there have been rumors that the Kings and the Cav's have spoken to each other, but there was no mention of McLemore in any of those discussions, nor was there any mention of the Kings being interested in Waiters. To think that McLemores career is at a crossroad, is just nonsense. He's barely started his career, and the Kings are extremely high on him. You want to talk about being at a crossroads, and being inconsistent, then your talking about Waiters, not McLemore. If you have some info on this, then please post the link.
 
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