Mbah a Moute-Williams trade? (merged)

[Bricklayer]

i'm not really sure why we have gotten rid of all of our players capable of playing defense after hiring a Defensive minded coach?

This is a real ? for me as well, and it raises a question of whether our front office gerbil is really on the same page as our defensive minded coach or not. Then again, since it was the gerbil who first acquired the defensive roleplayer in the first place, maybe this was the plan all along.

Its not just the 4 guys you mentioned either. Remember that we also mysteriously decided you know what? We don't want Robin Lopez even though you're giving him to us in this trade.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

He's never gotten a real opportunity to play for Minny. Adelman is famous for not giving young guys a chance over veterans.

did he play last year when Love missed a bunch of time? or did they use somebody else?

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Interested to see who we trot out at SF now.

I'd still like to see Williams there despite many people saying he can't do it. The sample size for anything Williams related is just too small to completely write it off.

Outlaw would be my second choice. Just not Salmons. Please.

 

[sdballer]

did he play last year when Love missed a bunch of time? or did they use somebody else?

He played close to 30 minutes a game while he was out. And they sat him again this year when Love returned. Not just as a starter at the 3 but as a reserve at either forward spot.

 

[Glenn]

This is a real ? for me as well, and it raises a question of whether our front office gerbil is really on the same page as our defensive minded coach or not. Then again, since it was the gerbil who first acquired the defensive roleplayer in the first place, maybe this was the plan all along.

Its not just the 4 guys you mentioned either. Remember that we also mysteriously decided you know what? We don't want Robin Lopez even though you're giving him to us in this trade.

I forgot about Lopez. I'll add him to my list of players who make me scratch my head. One side of the mouth doesn't know what the other side is doing.

 

[Entity]

Luc had knee concerns also. He is a slip away from being a shell of the defensive player he is. That may have played into decision.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Its not just the 4 guys you mentioned either. Remember that we also mysteriously decided you know what? We don't want Robin Lopez even though you're giving him to us in this trade.

funny you bring that up, look what someone just said on another board (not even a Kings fan)

"On the right team I think Williams could do work

I don't think the kings are that team.. Not trying throw shade at the kings, but I don't think they're doing a good job building around cousins.. A good start would have been to get Lopez in the tyreke deal"

 

[Glenn]

funny you bring that up, look what someone just said on another board (not even a Kings fan)

"On the right team I think Williams could do work

I don't think the kings are that team.. Not trying throw shade at the kings, but I don't think they're doing a good job building around cousins.. A good start would have been to get Lopez in the tyreke deal"

Somebody as bright as Brick?? Wow!

 

[The_Jamal]

did he play last year when Love missed a bunch of time? or did they use somebody else?

Yea it was him. And he performed reasonably well, for a team where he essentially became the #1 option those last few months.

15-7 on roughly 52% TS in 28 MPG. Pretty good success for his first big playing minutes in the NBA.

Anyway, his production up to this point doesn't even matter. This trade is about the future and Williams potential: If he hits, he's a 2nd option to Cousins. If he misses, we're out a 2nd round pick. Don't know about you, but that sounds like a splendid trade-off to me

 

[rainmaker]

Players out:
Reke:def
Douglas:def
Aldrich:def
Mbah:def

Players in:
Vasquez:non-def
MLM:def
Landry:non-def
Williams:non-def

Defense first philosophy, yet we let four above average defenders walk while only bringing one in, and that one it's potential at this point. If I didn't know any better I'd say we're following the Den/GS(pre-playoffs) blueprint, a running and gunning, non-defensive, love jacking perimeter shots type model. Of course, the words we hear publicly imply just the opposite, yet actions speak louder than words.

These moves don't represent a defensive philosophy in any way, shape or form. Call it collecting assets if you like. But we're not collecting defensive assets either. We just traded our only proven one.

 

[Entity]

You don't build a team around role players. You get the best you can and fill in with role players. Did anybody really think luc was our SF of the future? A key word I saw in steins column. Said luc and Williams are the principles in the trade. Telling me a pick or maybe another player could be involved.

 

[Chupacabra]

I really liked Luc. RAWR! Farewell, sweet prince. I'm assuming this is all going to happen. We're having problems scoring the ball. Our defense has improved mostly because of our coaching change. It makes sense for me when I think about this trade in that way. I'm excited to see whoever our pg is pushing the ball up the court with Williams and McLemore alongside him. Our wings have become explosive around the basket, deep shooting threat players. I would like to think that this opens up our ability to start a one dimensional, shot blocking, goonish 4. I'm getting ahead of myself.

 

[Glenn]

Yea it was him. And he performed reasonably well, for a team where he essentially became the #1 option those last few months.

15-7 on roughly 52% TS in 28 MPG. Pretty good success for his first big playing minutes in the NBA.

Anyway, his production up to this point doesn't even matter. This trade is about the future and Williams potential: If he hits, he's a 2nd option to Cousins. If he misses, we're out a 2nd round pick. Don't know about you, but that sounds like a splendid trade-off to me

If he misses, we are out a great defender.

 

[The_Jamal]

Im not sure what Douglas and Aldrich did to deserve so much admiration amongst Kings fans. They were good for us, but sheesh. They're end of the bench players. Not defensive saviors. Aldrich has a total of 4 minutes with the Knicks. Yea, the team that plays Bargs and Amare together on the floor and Tyson hurt and he can't find minutes. There's no room for Douglas on a team with IT and Vasquez. Both are vastly superior players. And a rookie PG stashed in D-league.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I wonder though, even if Williams does play better than he has and gets closer to whatever people think his potential is,..are we going to be satisfied with him?

Could very well just be a side move that leads to another angle

 

[HereWeBoogie]

i read from a T-Wolves fan that Williams is a complete failure at SF. i hope that is not our plan

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

You don't build a team around role players. You get the best you can and fill in with role players.

You're right: it makes much more sense to build around draft busts.

 

[hrdboild]

i read from a T-Wolves fan that Williams is a complete failure at SF. i hope that is not our plan

You could just as easily quote some random King's fan that Cousins is a complete failure as a C. That doesn't make it true. One person's opinion is just that, whatever team they root for.

Its not just the 4 guys you mentioned either. Remember that we also mysteriously decided you know what? We don't want Robin Lopez even though you're giving him to us in this trade.

That remains a giant "huh?" move for me as well. Especially in light of the fact that we failed to sign a backup C with any experience after that deal or really indicate that we were even aware that might be a need for us.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

You're right: it makes much more sense to build around draft busts.

hmm, maybe we can get T-Rob back then. and call Douby up from the D-League so they can play with Jimmer and D-Williams

 

[VF21]

I wonder though, even if Williams does play better than he has and gets closer to whatever people think his potential is,..are we going to be satisfied with him?

Could very well just be a side move that leads to another angle

As I said before, if it doesn't work out we're still heading in the direction of a couple of decent SF's in the draft.

 

[sdballer]

You could just as easily quote some random King's fan that Cousins is a complete failure as a C. That doesn't make it true. One person's opinion is just that, whatever team they root for.

How about their head coaches opinion? Or their GM? Or what about all of the other GM's that apparently weren't willing to offer more than Luc for a potential star?

 

[Sluggah]

Now I want to trot out a starting lineup of Reke, BMac, DWill, Lopez, Cousins.

Not sure they'd be any good, but they sure wouldn't be boring. Time to craft my NBA2K14 'High Potential' all-star team.

 

[Glenn]

Im not sure what Douglas and Aldrich did to deserve so much admiration amongst Kings fans. They were good for us, but sheesh. They're end of the bench players. Not defensive saviors. Aldrich has a total of 4 minutes with the Knicks. Yea, the team that plays Bargs and Amare together on the floor and Tyson hurt and he can't find minutes. There's no room for Douglas on a team with IT and Vasquez. Both are vastly superior players. And a rookie PG stashed in D-league.

The argument has been about them being defensive players and the FO's claim they want to improve the defense. It is significant because we also let Tyreke go and didn't take Robin Lopez. It's not the two players per se but the claim of wanting defense and letting defense flitter away. Is McCallum better than Douglas? Is D'daiye better than Aldrich? These guys are the replacements at the end of the bench or in the D League.

 

[Entity]

You're right: it makes much more sense to build around draft busts.

You honestly think we are building around Williams?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

You honestly think that Mbah a Moute lacked talent?

 

[jpsls]

How about their head coaches opinion? Or their GM? Or what about all of the other GM's that apparently weren't willing to offer more than Luc for a potential star?

I'm surprised we weren't able to get a perennial All-Star for LMAM the way he's being valued around here.

 

[mac]

Players out:
Reke:def
Douglas:def
Aldrich:def
Mbah:def

Players in:
Vasquez:non-def
MLM:def
Landry:non-def
Williams:non-def

Defense first philosophy, yet we let four above average defenders walk while only bringing one in, and that one it's potential at this point. If I didn't know any better I'd say we're following the Den/GS(pre-playoffs) blueprint, a running and gunning, non-defensive, love jacking perimeter shots type model. Of course, the words we hear publicly imply just the opposite, yet actions speak louder than words.

These moves don't represent a defensive philosophy in any way, shape or form. Call it collecting assets if you like. But we're not collecting defensive assets either. We just traded our only proven one.

Nah, PDA is just trying to prove how good a defensive coach Malone is. He'll provide him with no defensive players and watch him churn out the next top defensive team in the league. /sarcasm

 

[Entity]

You honestly think that Mbah a Moute lacked talent?

He was decent defender. But by no means will I be crying watching him walk to plane at the airport as he throws up a peace sign. Milwaukee is not a good team. If he is so talented then why trade for a 2nd round pick? He is low tier role player he was no better defender than donte Greene

 

[The_Jamal]

The argument has been about them being defensive players and the FO's claim they want to improve the defense. It is significant because we also let Tyreke go and didn't take Robin Lopez. It's not the two players per se but the claim of wanting defense and letting defense flitter away. Is McCallum better than Douglas? Is D'daiye better than Aldrich? These guys are the replacements at the end of the bench or in the D League.

Hamady and Aldrich are equal, yes. Both 7 feet tall, big, athletic, but not very good at actually playing the game of basketball. Energy guys who are good to have at the end of the bench if you need some fouls. And if you gave McCallum minutes I bet he produces at the same level as Douglas. Maybe not defensively, but it's also not hard to outproduce Douglas offensively.

As far as Lopez goes, I'm as stumped as you. He was the big mistake in my eyes the FO made this off-season. But again, who knows. Perhaps they didn't see him as compatible with Cousins? After all, who defends the PF in the match-up?

And I never saw the defensive production from Reke that most of you thought he had. When he wanted to be, he could D up with the best of them in the league. The effort was never consistent though, almost changing quarter to quarter.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Not to worried about losing our defensive role players just yet. There is time for that. The other thing is that aside from Evans those guys are all fringe NBA players who's impact is limited. To turn the defense around, I mean really, really turn this defense around the Kings need big minute defenders at important positions, not an Aldrich here, a Mbah A Moute there, or a Toney Douglas. They need legit 30 minute per game starting caliber defenders. They need a guy like Asik. Defenders you BUILD around, not defenders who just happen to tag along on your roster and play 15 minutes a night.

Long term, I'm tentatively penciling in Cousins and McLemore as long term starters. Jury is still out on Ben.

In my opinion we still need long term solutions at PF, SF, and PG.

What this is really going to come down to is who we put next to Cousins. That's it. That is the gamechanger. That is when things get real.

And maybe the biggest reason I like this deal is because I don't think Mbah A Moute is long for this league. His knees are in bad shape.