Kings active in trade talks?

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joemama

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According to Bleacher Report Celtics are the only OTHER team foolish enough to take on k9 part II: AMARE!

Why not work directly with Bean town.

Celtics out: Crash
Kings out: Thornton

Both players what are known to have talent, but may potentially need a change of scenery.

Nope Nevermind Wallace is three years to Thorton's two:

Celtics out: Crash and UNrestricted 1st
Kings out: Thornton and Jimmer or 2nd
 
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Spike said:
I like the picks/prospects tank. It smells of having an actual plan. Even better that our name is the first one out there - "Hey! Fire sale in Sacramento!" Teams not happy with their current situation might think someone like Thornton/IT/Hayes could help them out, and while they actually might, they could provide the opposite effect, leaving us with a stronger draft pick. The earlier in the season it is, the more of a gamble it becomes for both teams. After the deadline, you pretty much know what you'll get in return in terms of extra draft pick.

You never know - we could end up with 2 picks in the top 10. ;)
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I'm guessing IT is not going to be part of the sale table. Other than that, I agree with your post even if it does include the T word. ;)
 
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bajaden said:
I agree 100%. There are a lot of ways to build a contender, and in my opinion, the best way to build your core is through the draft, and then fill in the other pieces with freeagents. Just acquiring veterans for the sake of acquiring veterans, doesn't always work. Its one thing if you acquire a veteran with good habits, but its another if you acquire one with bad habits. As the saying goes, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Right now, the Kings have a few dogs that won't learn new tricks. Time to put them down!
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YES! The tea leaves of this management team point to this kind of strategy. This is the management team that was gung ho about trading up in the draft to get the guy they wanted (McLemore), but didn't have to use the ammo (Thornton) to do it. That implies this management is: 1) confident in their drafting ability; 2) very aggressive and not afraid to go after guys they like. To my mind, it is very different from the Petrie approach, who was much more risk averse when it comes to the draft, and much more prone to an incrementalist approach that resulted in a multitude of mediocre vets being brough on board. I sure hope we are both right on this one. This could be extremely exciting for this team. I'd love to see three #1s in this year's draft along with a couple of current young NBA "project" players who they think will be good down the line with some coaching. You could end up with a much more talented team next year.
 
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Kingster

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Glenn said:
And this is what the average trade idea consists of on this forum. I absolutely agree with you. I would like a late first rounder and certainly we could trade somebody and get that. It might not pay off and it might pay off nicely. We absolutely know the inadequacies of the mediocre vets we like to trade for and we also know many have no upside whatsoever. The league is replete with surprises that come out of the draft. Let's take a shot. What's to be lost?
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Nothing. We've been there; done that. Let's go after talent; the "experienced" bunch is doing nothing for us. Baja can speak to the draft better than I, but it looks to be a very deep draft, so even lower 1s could be very valuable.
 
bajaden

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Nothing. We've been there; done that. Let's go after talent; the "experienced" bunch is doing nothing for us. Baja can speak to the draft better than I, but it looks to be a very deep draft, so even lower 1s could be very valuable.
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You should be able to get talent all the way through the first round and into the top of the second round. It really comes down to doing your homework, which I doubt the Maloofs allowed the Kings scouting dept (probably some guy watching TV that didn't even have the ESPN sports package) to do. It takes money to send scouts over to europe and to all the top college games. The Spurs have drafted consistently at the bottom of the first round, and yet, they manage to find talent every year, and then develop it. Without knowing who will declare or not, its hard to predict who will be in the bottom half of the first round.
 
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bajaden said:
You should be able to get talent all the way through the first round and into the top of the second round. It really comes down to doing your homework, which I doubt the Maloofs allowed the Kings scouting dept (probably some guy watching TV that didn't even have the ESPN sports package) to do. It takes money to send scouts over to europe and to all the top college games. The Spurs have drafted consistently at the bottom of the first round, and yet, they manage to find talent every year, and then develop it. Without knowing who will declare or not, its hard to predict who will be in the bottom half of the first round.
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Bingo. One thing I think we all have noticed is that Ranadive is not stingy. I hope he addresses this problem adequately. If we get two picks in the first round, the later pick does not have to be a star but a carefully picked guy to fill a need.
 
Bricklayer

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TheBadGuy said:
they already have Mike Miller & Bayless
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Which is to say they have nothing. :p

Seriously, that is a situation I have been looking at, not for 2nd round picks, but for Ed Davis. Hollinger and his 20 sided die front office pals may love him, but now they have a second coach in a row who doesn't play him. I wonder if he's available for the right price. And I was looking at Thornton as a new OJ Mayo for them to give them a legit extra perimeter scorer.

On our end, maybe those coaches have been right, but I'd be comfortable rolling with a Cousins/Davis/JT frontline this season and see if it works out. On paper, Davis looks like one of those rare shotblocking PF fits next to Cuz.
 
Bricklayer

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On another note, everybody, including me, assumes that we are a tanking team.

However, we did waste money on Landry. We did apparently chase Igoudala and Monta. What if we're not intentionally tanking, just incompetent? As much as hey, let's go get lucky and draft Wiggins or Parker rings true as a strategy, in a year when EVERYBODY is tanking, you could conceivably go the other way and clean up in trades helping other teams unload vets and get bad.

Yeah yeah, Parker/Wiggins, but if I told you that by the deadline we could have a team core of Cousins, Rudy Gay, Rajon Rondo, with IT heading the bench, would we really turn our nose up at the opportunity?
 
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Bricklayer said:
On another note, everybody, including me, assumes that we are a tanking team.

However, we did waste money on Landry. We did apparently chase Igoudala and Monta. What if we're not intentionally tanking, just incompetent? As much as hey, let's go get lucky and draft Wiggins or Parker rings true as a strategy, in a year when EVERYBODY is tanking, you could conceivably go the other way and clean up in trades helping other teams unload vets and get bad.

Yeah yeah, Parker/Wiggins, but if I told you that by the deadline we could have a team core of Cousins, Rudy Gay, Rajon Rondo, with IT heading the bench, would we really turn our nose up at the opportunity?
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Not at all. However, our biggest trade chip, the pick, is locked up thanks to Hickson. Our second biggest chip is IT's contract, because Ainge and Masaji aren't just going to hand over Rondo or Gay without getting something great in return, and our hodgepodge of little 4's and undersized 2's aren't going to get us there. I don't know how we end up with either of those two guys, and making lateral moves to free up cash for the free agent chase in the offseason doesn't really excite me.
 
Kingster

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bajaden said:
You should be able to get talent all the way through the first round and into the top of the second round. It really comes down to doing your homework, which I doubt the Maloofs allowed the Kings scouting dept (probably some guy watching TV that didn't even have the ESPN sports package) to do. It takes money to send scouts over to europe and to all the top college games. The Spurs have drafted consistently at the bottom of the first round, and yet, they manage to find talent every year, and then develop it. Without knowing who will declare or not, its hard to predict who will be in the bottom half of the first round.
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Apparently management doesn't want to wait until the trade deadline in February. This makes perfect sense to me. If you're a team vying for a playoff berth or for a championship banner you want to make a deal before the February deadline. The February deadline leaves too little time to integrate the new guy into your team. Why not get him now rather than later? Wouldn't he be more valuable now? Essentially, the Kings would be selling Present Value (vets) for Future Value (picks, youngins).
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On another note, everybody, including me, assumes that we are a tanking team.

However, we did waste money on Landry. We did apparently chase Igoudala and Monta. What if we're not intentionally tanking, just incompetent? As much as hey, let's go get lucky and draft Wiggins or Parker rings true as a strategy, in a year when EVERYBODY is tanking, you could conceivably go the other way and clean up in trades helping other teams unload vets and get bad.

Yeah yeah, Parker/Wiggins, but if I told you that by the deadline we could have a team core of Cousins, Rudy Gay, Rajon Rondo, with IT heading the bench, would we really turn our nose up at the opportunity?
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In answer to your last question, no, they would probably embrace the opportunity. This management team doesn't strike me at all as a doctrinaire bunch, one that is dead-set on particular strategy come hell or high water. They are much more pragmatic and "probabilistic" in their approach. To me, they are playing mult-dimensional chess in which they are looking at all kinds of strategies and options, and depending on the viability of those strategies and options, they'll go one direction or another.

My personal belief is that given the relative low ammount of talent this team has to offer in trade, it's pretty unlikely they can parlay it into quality vets such as Gay and Rondo. And as I've said before, I highly doubt they would go down the old road of exchanging mediocre vets for mediocre vets. Therefore, I think it's most likely that they adopt the strategy in which they sell Present Value (vets) for Future Value (picks/younger undeveloped NBA players).
 
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There's no deal that I would do to get gay people just understand how bad he is

Bricklayer said:
On another note, everybody, including me, assumes that we are a tanking team.

However, we did waste money on Landry. We did apparently chase Igoudala and Monta. What if we're not intentionally tanking, just incompetent? As much as hey, let's go get lucky and draft Wiggins or Parker rings true as a strategy, in a year when EVERYBODY is tanking, you could conceivably go the other way and clean up in trades helping other teams unload vets and get bad.

Yeah yeah, Parker/Wiggins, but if I told you that by the deadline we could have a team core of Cousins, Rudy Gay, Rajon Rondo, with IT heading the bench, would we really turn our nose up at the opportunity?
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Which is to say they have nothing. :p

Seriously, that is a situation I have been looking at, not for 2nd round picks, but for Ed Davis. Hollinger and his 20 sided die front office pals may love him, but now they have a second coach in a row who doesn't play him. I wonder if he's available for the right price. And I was looking at Thornton as a new OJ Mayo for them to give them a legit extra perimeter scorer.

On our end, maybe those coaches have been right, but I'd be comfortable rolling with a Cousins/Davis/JT frontline this season and see if it works out. On paper, Davis looks like one of those rare shotblocking PF fits next to Cuz.
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Problem is you can't combine players with the trade exception so I see no way we get salaries to match. In sure they'd want thompson over PP cause PP for davis isn't enough
 
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Kingster said:
In answer to your last question, no, they would probably embrace the opportunity. This management team doesn't strike me at all as a doctrinaire bunch, one that is dead-set on particular strategy come hell or high water. They are much more pragmatic and "probabilistic" in their approach. To me, they are playing mult-dimensional chess in which they are looking at all kinds of strategies and options, and depending on the viability of those strategies and options, they'll go one direction or another.
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Agree here. My guess would be that they saw Iguodala as a unique opportunity to make this team a playoff contender and push past the rebuild, and when that didn't work out, they decided to just go ahead with continuing the rebuild instead of spending the money on someone else just for the sake of spending money.

And also agree with randymoss above that it's unlikely Hollinger lets Davis go. More likely they keep him and let Z-Bo walk after next year, forcing the coach's hand to play him more.
 
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Kingster said:
Apparently management doesn't want to wait until the trade deadline in February. This makes perfect sense to me. If you're a team vying for a playoff berth or for a championship banner you want to make a deal before the February deadline. The February deadline leaves too little time to integrate the new guy into your team. Why not get him now rather than later? Wouldn't he be more valuable now? Essentially, the Kings would be selling Present Value (vets) for Future Value (picks, youngins).


In answer to your last question, no, they would probably embrace the opportunity. This management team doesn't strike me at all as a doctrinaire bunch, one that is dead-set on particular strategy come hell or high water. They are much more pragmatic and "probabilistic" in their approach. To me, they are playing mult-dimensional chess in which they are looking at all kinds of strategies and options, and depending on the viability of those strategies and options, they'll go one direction or another.

My personal belief is that given the relative low ammount of talent this team has to offer in trade, it's pretty unlikely they can parlay it into quality vets such as Gay and Rondo. And as I've said before, I highly doubt they would go down the old road of exchanging mediocre vets for mediocre vets. Therefore, I think it's most likely that they adopt the strategy in which they sell Present Value (vets) for Future Value (picks/younger undeveloped NBA players).
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I agree on them not wanting to wait till the trade deadline. But I do think they're waiting for the Dec 15th deadline, when a large amount of players become tradable again. As a matter of fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they already had a trade or trades worked out, and are just waiting for the deadline. If so, we should find out rather quickly on Dec 15th.
 
Kingster

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bajaden said:
I agree on them not wanting to wait till the trade deadline. But I do think they're waiting for the Dec 15th deadline, when a large amount of players become tradable again. As a matter of fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they already had a trade or trades worked out, and are just waiting for the deadline. If so, we should find out rather quickly on Dec 15th.
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Interesting. Ignorant me didn't know about the Dec 15th deadline. Thanks for the info. I'm with you - I also wouldn't be surprised if they had a trade(s) already worked out.
 
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LPKingsFan said:
Agree here. My guess would be that they saw Iguodala as a unique opportunity to make this team a playoff contender and push past the rebuild, and when that didn't work out, they decided to just go ahead with continuing the rebuild instead of spending the money on someone else just for the sake of spending money.

And also agree with randymoss above that it's unlikely Hollinger lets Davis go. More likely they keep him and let Z-Bo walk after next year, forcing the coach's hand to play him more.
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Yeah, all the rumors, including those in the Memphis newspapers have Randolph eventually moving on, and Davis being the future. I'd love to have Davis, but I really doubt they'd give him up for either Patterson or Thompson. And in the end, Davis is still an unproven player with great potential.
 
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bajaden said:
Yeah, all the rumors, including those in the Memphis newspapers have Randolph eventually moving on, and Davis being the future. I'd love to have Davis, but I really doubt they'd give him up for either Patterson or Thompson. And in the end, Davis is still an unproven player with great potential.
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it's really weird that he's not getting any playing time, though. especially considering that Hollins' unwillingness to play Davis was cited as a reason for his firing. something has to be foul there.
 
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Sup ya'll. Kings fan all the way in St Pete, FL. Been reading the site for a while now....

Anyways, if reports are right and Rose does have another torn ACL (god bless his soul) should we make an offer for Noah? Maybe they try and blow it up knowing Rose is never going to be the guy he once was.

If the Bulls wanted McLemore and Salmons for Noah, are you doing it?

IMO, 100% yes. Dude is an elite leader, winner, passer and defensive big. He has ideal size and would fit ever so nicely next to our big guy!
 
Bricklayer

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JLoss22 said:
Sup ya'll. Kings fan all the way in St Pete, FL. Been reading the site for a while now....

Anyways, if reports are right and Rose does have another torn ACL (god bless his soul) should we make an offer for Noah? Maybe they try and blow it up knowing Rose is never going to be the guy he once was.

If the Bulls wanted McLemore and Salmons for Noah, are you doing it?

IMO, 100% yes. Dude is an elite leader, winner, passer and defensive big. He has ideal size and would fit ever so nicely next to our big guy!
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Sure, but that doesn't seem a likely route for Chicago to take. They would probably like to lose Boozer in that process, and are very likely to be shopping Deng. But Noah they've always seemed pretty determined to hang onto.
 
Bricklayer

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bajaden said:
Yeah, all the rumors, including those in the Memphis newspapers have Randolph eventually moving on, and Davis being the future. I'd love to have Davis, but I really doubt they'd give him up for either Patterson or Thompson. And in the end, Davis is still an unproven player with great potential.
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If the news about Gaosl tearing his MCl turns out to be true that would finish any Ed Davis talk.
 
jalfa

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TheBadGuy said:
http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/67066/20131123/nba-trade-rumors-–-jimmer-fredette.htm

Check the link guys and give thoughts also.
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not very well-thought out, disregards that we cannot move our pick, due to the Hickson-Casspi trade. generally, there's no way in hell you should want Granger, unless he's demonstrated that he has anything left and Turner is a dubious proposition because of his contract situation. might very well be walking away with nothing, if he bolts after the season.
 
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I posted this in another forum that I frequent regularly and thought it was topic-worthy here.

With the three major injuries that occurred last night, it'll be interesting if that speeds up or opens up more trade possibilities for the Kings. Iggy, Marc Gasol, and Rose.

Chicago is tough to figure out. They had success without Rose, but with 2014's draft looking so promising, they may just blow it up in hopes of landing another franchise player. For all we know, Rose may be done as the Rose we once knew.

Warriors have a solid replacement (Barnes), but that thin bench has just gotten thinner.

Grizzlies will run with Ed Davis/ZBo, but I believe both are under 6-9?


Kings' players they might be interested in:

Warriors: Jimmer, IT, Thornton, Outlaw, Salmons (don't flame -- I said MIGHT)

Grizzlies: Hayes or JT

Bulls: Depends on direction, but guards and expiring most likely.

I'm terrible with creating trades, so I don't even attempt (I only critique...lol)...but I wonder if we could be used as a 3rd team...although, I'd love to land Noah. Just don't see how we could grab him w/o losing a 2014 1st or BMAC.)
 
MassachusettsKingsFan

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I think it would be smart to trade on of Thompson or Patterson before Landry gets back. Or just trade Landry.

There is no chance in hell all of those guys hold their trade value once Landry is healthy.

By the way, If Chicago wants to completely dump Boozer I'd take him for Hayes and Thornton.
 
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