Same old story for Jimmer...

[3me]

Improves every aspect of his game...benched. Explodes in previous game...benched. Is much better than MT...benched. Is the best shooter and playmaker on the team...benched. Jimmer's ball handling? Much improved and starting PG material without question...no opportunity to shine. Shooting? Please. Defense? Defense is a team game and he's no worse than these other defensive scrubs. Playmaking? Excellent, but never given the reigns. MT pouts, can't make plays for others and throws up bricks, but will he get Jimmer's minutes? Probably.

Give the man a real opportunity for crying out loud.

 

[Bricklayer]

The title of this thread is deceptive as you are appear to be describing some other player not currently on our roster. Maybe Stephen Curry or somebody.

 

[Entity]

i could listen to somebody argue that Jimmer could move in front of MT at this time!!! but don't let your argument be because of playmaking and ball handling ability. he is a great shooter. nothing more can be said

 

[Dank]

Whoever this player is sounds like a great player but I dont think were gonna get Steph Curry or Deron Williams anytime soon.

 

[swisshh]

His defense is such a liability he needs to have amazing games to make up for it.

 

[Gliesian]

Malone is not being fair. I totally agree, and we should probably look for a new coach.

 

[Glenn]

I was a Jimmer fan and still am in a way. There is no way he is at any point in his development to deserve a lot of minutes especially since we drafted McLemore. He has gaping holes in his game. He DOES look better in a Malone structured offense so maybe he will be useful. I don't count on it but am definitely hoping he becomes a useful part of the Kings organization. He's a good guy. He's a smart guy. He is coachable. He is a team player. Then there are the problems and to thoroughly give an opinion of Jimmer you have to be willing to see his problems. Heck, he has even had trouble shooting which is mind blowing. If from day one he had come out firing like he did in college we would now be having a different discussion but we have survived two years without him being having a great shot. He has value if he can shoot. He has minimal value if he cannot. He seems to be approaching a position where he doesn't hurt us but we need more than that. We need 5 guys on the court who are contributing and Jimmer is barely on the cusp of being a contributor.

As to him not getting the minutes, you have to earn the minutes. Coaches see him in practices. His lack of development can in part be put at Smart's back but in the end, it's Jimmer's problem that he isn't getting the minutes.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I think Jimmer definitely has a place in the league as a shooter off the bench, with a little added playmaking ability. But the rest of his game is absolutely lacking sorely, and there's simply no significant minutes for him on this roster. There's too many guys ahead of him who are flat out better, you'd see that if you took off the tinted-glasses. It'll probably be another year or two before he solidifes a role for himself, and very likely for another team. And when I say place in the league, I wouldn't be envisioning the same type of role as the OP, I'd wager...

 

[bajaden]

His defense is such a liability he needs to have amazing games to make up for it.

Not to defend Jimmer's defense, but one could argue that its just as good as Thorntons, with whom he's battling for minutes.

 

[bajaden]

I think Jimmer definitely has a place in the league as a shooter off the bench, with a little added playmaking ability. But the rest of his game is absolutely lacking sorely, and there's simply no significant minutes for him on this roster. There's too many guys ahead of him who are flat out better, you'd see that if you took off the tinted-glasses. It'll probably be another year or two before he solidifes a role for himself, and very likely for another team. And when I say place in the league, I wouldn't be envisioning the same type of role as the OP, I'd wager...

I think everyone needs to take off their glasses. Jimmer certainly isn't as good as the OP suggests, but he also not as bad as some of his critics suggest either. His ballhandling is now more than adequate to do what he does. He'll never be Tyreke going to the basket, but Tyreke will never shoot the ball the way Jimmer can. He's gotten better on the defensive side, but no one will ever confuse him with Tony Allen. But for some reason, many give IT a free pass on defense, when there are times he gets beat off the dribble, or runs into a pick and quits on a play.

Right now a lot of people are conceding the starting job to Thornton, and their probably right, because he's the so called "proven player". Well how long with that carry him if he continues to sulk and not contribute anything. Basketball is a game of "What have you done lately". And lately, he hasn't done anything. I know its preseason, but whatever is ailing him needs to be fixed, or he won't have a starting job for long.

 

[The_Jamal]

I think everyone needs to take off their glasses. Jimmer certainly isn't as good as the OP suggests, but he also not as bad as some of his critics suggest either. His ballhandling is now more than adequate to do what he does. He'll never be Tyreke going to the basket, but Tyreke will never shoot the ball the way Jimmer can. He's gotten better on the defensive side, but no one will ever confuse him with Tony Allen. But for some reason, many give IT a free pass on defense, when there are times he gets beat off the dribble, or runs into a pick and quits on a play.

Right now a lot of people are conceding the starting job to Thornton, and their probably right, because he's the so called "proven player". Well how long with that carry him if he continues to sulk and not contribute anything. Basketball is a game of "What have you done lately". And lately, he hasn't done anything. I know its preseason, but whatever is ailing him needs to be fixed, or he won't have a starting job for long.

I think it will be interesting to see how much Malone really meant by their being a position battle at 4 positions. Because McLemore has clearly won the SG slot. Outlaw has been better than Salmons, but Salmons is one of the "vets" of the team and has been starting the last few years while Outlaw has been keeping the bench warm. Hard to say with GV-IT battle. GV hasn't gotten a chance to really show what he can do yet as he's rehabbing from injury and IT has played decently well this preseason. But a healthy GV is better for Cousins while IT's offense is better suited off the bench. I'm starting to become enamored with the idea of starting Chuck, but that likely is a minority opinion and not even on the mind of our coaching staff. Ppat and JT have not played like starting caliber big-men.

As far as Jimmer goes, moving him to SG is an excellent idea. That gets him in better position for 3s, he doesn't have to worry so much about ball-handling and playmaking, and the SG position has far less people in the NBA who can take advantage of his defense than at PG.

 

[cuad]

Jimmer's the best guard on the team after GV and BMac. The GM needs to fire sale MT, IT, and Stinky Fish.

 

[bajaden]

I think it will be interesting to see how much Malone really meant by their being a position battle at 4 positions. Because McLemore has clearly won the SG slot. Outlaw has been better than Salmons, but Salmons is one of the "vets" of the team and has been starting the last few years while Outlaw has been keeping the bench warm. Hard to say with GV-IT battle. GV hasn't gotten a chance to really show what he can do yet as he's rehabbing from injury and IT has played decently well this preseason. But a healthy GV is better for Cousins while IT's offense is better suited off the bench. I'm starting to become enamored with the idea of starting Chuck, but that likely is a minority opinion and not even on the mind of our coaching staff. Ppat and JT have not played like starting caliber big-men.

As far as Jimmer goes, moving him to SG is an excellent idea. That gets him in better position for 3s, he doesn't have to worry so much about ball-handling and playmaking, and the SG position has far less people in the NBA who can take advantage of his defense than at PG.

I'm kind of surprised that they haven't started Hayes next to Cousins in one of the games. I believe that was the original plan when we signed him. I could make a case for starting Jimmer next to Vasquez (Oh my god), but then your giving away quite a bit defensively. If I'm going just on whats happened in preseason, then McLemore is the starter. He can score, and he's without a doubt the best defender of the three, referring to both Jimmer and Thornton. He's going to make some mistakes, but you also know he's going to do some things that neither of the other two can do.

The SF position is probably the most difficult to predict since it appears that Mbah a Moute is a day by day player. There is no clear winner there, but if it were me, just to refresh the room, I'd start Outlaw. I'm a little tired of the stench that Salmons leaves behind. Another so called proven player. The next time we sign a proven player, I hope he as all star connected to his name, and he's under the age of 30. Hey, I can dream can't I?

I'm at the point where I really don't care who starts at the PF position. I could make an argument for either Patterson or JT. Which says more about them than it does the decision maker. The PF position isn't a major weakness, but its not a strength either. But its adequate! At PG I'm starting Vasquez and that's the end of the subject. Starting Vasquez and him being successful is the only way I can justify loosing Tyreke. Even if he had little to do with it. We didn't acquire him to sit on the bench. He's certainly a better shooter than he displayed last night, and for that matter, so is IT. So that part of his game is a moot point. He's far more likely to help Cousins become an all star, which is important when recruiting time rolls around. I think Vasquez actually gets off on helping a player like Cousins have a great game. I'm not sure what IT gets off on. Too many mixed messages from him. Talk is cheap, unless your Larry Bird. Then you'd better listen.

 

[jcwkings]

I think Malone is giving Thornton every opportunity possible to snatch that starting SG spot(as he should, he is a proven scorer in the league and is the one of our highest salaries). Its too bad Marcus looks disinterested out there, which looks even more obvious when you compare him to Ben who looks hungry to prove himself. Based on effort and performance so far, yes Jimmer should be getting a better look.

 

[pshn80]

They haven't benched anyone yet so put your dander back. I think the coaching staff is doing a good job of giving everyone a chance, even Jimmer and outlaw who come into the season from not doing diddly last year. Yes, even Fredette is getting a good chance. We will see. Coaches don't/won't bench a player for good play. Be at peace.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

these Jimmer lovers are so ridiculous. do you think that Malone and the rest of the coaches don't see Jimmer every day in practice and understand what he can and can't do? he's been given plenty of chances, and if he is not in the rotation when the regular season rolls around, there is probably a pretty good reason for it

 

[bajaden]

these Jimmer lovers are so ridiculous. do you think that Malone and the rest of the coaches don't see Jimmer every day in practice and understand what he can and can't do? he's been given plenty of chances, and if he is not in the rotation when the regular season rolls around, there is probably a pretty good reason for it

I don't like the term Jimmer Lovers. Yes, there are a few crazies out there for Jimmer, just like there are for IT, and a lot of the players. But most of us are simply evaluating what Jimmer has done, and trying to decide, (not that what we decide matters) whether its enough to warrant a place in the rotation. When a player works his butt off all summer long to improve the areas he's weak in, I don't think you have to be called a Jimmer lover because you acknowledge his improvements. Using your analogy, there are a lot of Jimmer haters as well. Another term I don't like. Terms like that are used to discredit people that you don't agree with. Its OK to disagree, but you don't have to put a label on people. Because a lot of people aren't quite sure who your referring to. Just my opinion!

 

[upinsmoke]

I wouldn't be surprised if MT is shipped out even though he's currently a better player than both mclemore and jimmer if he doesn't come out guns blazin. On the other hand he just might do exactly that if that shot is falling and jimmer gets cut after this season. that's why we watch.

 

[Livinthedream]

There is a Jimmer obsession out there for sure. That automatically creates an opposite reaction from the people who are annoyed by that obsession. So he becomes a polarizing figure and now we don't get people's objective opinions about him.

If Jimmer wins a starting spot or a spot in the rotation, that's great. No amount of complaining on here is going to affect that. He will either earn it or not. I will say this. NBA coaches don't bury good talent on the bench on purpose. Jimmer is getting his shot and it's his job to make the most of it. If he doesn't play a lot, it's not because of a conspiracy against him.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

I don't like the term Jimmer Lovers. Yes, there are a few crazies out there for Jimmer, just like there are for IT, and a lot of the players. But most of us are simply evaluating what Jimmer has done, and trying to decide, (not that what we decide matters) whether its enough to warrant a place in the rotation. When a player works his butt off all summer long to improve the areas he's weak in, I don't think you have to be called a Jimmer lover because you acknowledge his improvements. Using your analogy, there are a lot of Jimmer haters as well. Another term I don't like. Terms like that are used to discredit people that you don't agree with. Its OK to disagree, but you don't have to put a label on people. Because a lot of people aren't quite sure who your referring to. Just my opinion!

fair enough. probably not a good term and not really what i was going for, i just couldn't think of another phrase at the time. but i felt the rest of my post was accurate

 

[HereWeBoogie]

I will say this. NBA coaches don't bury good talent on the bench on purpose. Jimmer is getting his shot and it's his job to make the most of it. If he doesn't play a lot, it's not because of a conspiracy against him.

this is EXACTLY what i was trying to say a few posts above. thanks for putting it into words better than i did, LOL

 

[sqwalk]

I agree that he has gotten yanked around these past 2 years. But with that said, I think that Mclemore should start with GV, and Jimmer should get around 12-15 min off the bench. From what we've seen from him so far this pre-season it looks like he deserves it. It's apparent that he's worked his butt off this off-season.

Frankly, MT has looked terrible so far, and if this is really a "try out" and clean slate as Malone has stated, then it's hard to deny Jimmer the back up SG role.

The problem is can Jimmer and IT both play together off the bench? I'm sure the offense will be there but they would need some serious help on defense.

 

[CruzDude]

I disagree, it is not "the same old story for Jimmer". Malone has a totally different method of coaching and teaching not seen in the modern Kings era. Jimmer has been misused in past years. This pre-season he, as is everyone else, is getting his fair set of minutes. When you are hot, you stay in. Hot is not just hitting 3's, in Malone's game it is offense, defense, spreading the floor, switching, communicating, the whole stew pot. Jimmer sees the floor well, has very good instincts and can distribute as well as making shots. Those are unique assets on this team. Don't be surprised to see him in the main rotation very soon.

 

[Dank]

Im predicting Jimmer wont be on an NBA roster within 2 years, I could type a page listing what he cant do but to sum it up in one sentence he just has way to many weakness' in his game and none of his few strengths are good enough to make up for em.

 

[King Baller]

I disagree, it is not "the same old story for Jimmer". Malone has a totally different method of coaching and teaching not seen in the modern Kings era. Jimmer has been misused in past years. This pre-season he, as is everyone else, is getting his fair set of minutes. When you are hot, you stay in. Hot is not just hitting 3's, in Malone's game it is offense, defense, spreading the floor, switching, communicating, the whole stew pot. Jimmer sees the floor well, has very good instincts and can distribute as well as making shots. Those are unique assets on this team. Don't be surprised to see him in the main rotation very soon.

Put me in the Pro-Jimmer ranks Previously I had him pegged as the 5th guard. IT fell in love with his own shot against Portland going 5 for 17. Thornton got yanked early in the third. If those two continue on that path I see Jimmer and Ray Mac moving up.

Malone is going to require players to defend and play team ball. Jimmer and Ray Mac may prove to be more "coachable" than IT or MT.

KB

 

[Sluggah]

I like Jimmer. I want him to succeed. I want him to be the player you say he is.

Unfortunately, I long ago learned the difference between wanting something to be so and it actually being so.

Run to the light, Carol Anne.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

The problem is can Jimmer and IT both play together off the bench? I'm sure the offense will be there but they would need some serious help on defense.

The only way a Jimmer/IT backcourt could play effective D would be if we gave them tasers.

 

[mac]

this is EXACTLY what i was trying to say a few posts above. thanks for putting it into words better than i did, LOL

Which we can maybe accept if Malone continues to "bury" him on the bench, because I don't think you want to admit that Keith Smart is an NBA coach.

 

[mac]

The only way a Jimmer/IT backcourt could play effective D would be if we gave them tasers.

While I agree with this, is it really any different from an IT/MT or IT/Vasquez backcourt? McLemore and McCallum are our only guards who can play D. I actually thought the McCallum/Jimmer backcourt worked pretty well, but I doubt that it's a viable option because neither are very steady ballhandlers and that will be exposed once the regular season starts.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Which we can maybe accept if Malone continues to "bury" him on the bench, because I don't think you want to admit that Keith Smart is an NBA coach.

What? i think he has given Jimmer a more than fair shot in the preseason. if that plus whatever Jimmer is doing in practice doesn't earn him a spot in the rotation, then he just doesn't deserve to be playing over the guys that are. its that simple