Zach Randolf For Abdur-Rahim and Moore

[Spike]

Or like our very own Shareef Abdur-Rahim

Except that our very own SAR is a positive influence. When will the Randolph adulation end?? He's a disruptive personality, and a thug to boot. Others have already made other points regarding team development.

 

[jthompson1]

first Off, Zach Had Knee Surgery A Couple Of Years Ago, So He Is Able To Be Injured. Secondly, If All We Wanted Was Entertainment, We Could Have Just Kept Artest. Thirdly, Were Not The Oakland Raiders Of The Nba. And Finally, Fourth. We Just Started The Rebuild Process, So Why Would We Want To Bring In A Bad Influence For The Young Players And Also Take Away Thier Minutes?

Amen!

 

[FakeInjury]

I would love Thompson to be a 20 and 10 guy, but the chances of a rookie doing that are slim. Without mr 20 and 10, we are not going to be able to matchup against teams with legit power players. 20 means he could be a go-to scorer, and 10 means he contributes on defense consistently. Thompson can't be expected to fill this role. Miller isn't expected to fill this role. Moore is lucky to have an NBA contract. And IMO Kenny Thomas is our best option at the PF position, but he doesn't match up well against 1st tier NBA players. So we are playing to the waiting game, hoping for someone to step into this 20-10 role. But why wait, when it is possible to aquire one for a year or two. To quote MJ, the other MJ, "One bad apple don't make the whole bunch, girl!" Lets put the "thug" on the roster and see what happens.

 

[bajaden]

After reading all of OptimusRhyme's posts, I don't think he was arguing for the addition of any veteran players to the team. I think he simply wasn't advocating the idea of a losing mentality. In other words, he's fine with the current make up of the team. Let them play hard and try to win and let the chips fall where they may.

If they make the playoffs, so be it. If not, they did thier best and gained some valuable experience.

 

[FakeInjury]

The chips are going to fall. But decidedly outside of the playoff picture. I like being able to say 50 games in, that we are 5 games out. It makes me feel like the kings have something to play for. I know im being negative, b/c the season hasn't even started yet. So, I'll try to state facts. Artest is gone, this means, we lose the SF battle almost every night. Something about a chain being as strong as its' weakest link...OKAY...forgetting about the SF battle. Our PG battle is 50/50. and the SG battle is 65/35 in favor of Martin. Our PF battle is 30/70 and the C battle is 45/55. SF/PF battle is our weakest, agreed, good. We got two lottery type SF/PF's in Greene and Thompson. Great! But, that still hasn't enabled us to win those two position battles on a consistent basis. I like the rebuild, but there is no reason to tank the season, which is what the kings are going to do, titanic style, unless they pick up an impact player, who can win one of those position battles. Without such a player, Martin and Miller and Beno are going to get sick to carrying the team into the 4th and then not having enough gas in the tank to finish. Theus's style of coaching depends on winning the matchup battle. This year, theus has a huge task. The role of player/coach. This would be awesome, next to aquiring Randolf

 

[OptimusRhyme]

I'm not sure you understand the concept. I'm fine if you disagree, but it sucks to see someone argue against a position when they are making so many incorrect assumptions about that position.

Nobody is saying that there aren't plenty of busts at the top of the draft. Nobody is saying that the team will jump into the playoffs and succeed immediately. And most of all nobody is saying that people should be telling the players to play poorly or do anything other than do their best to win. In fact, the rebuild plan includes the hope that the young players will try their hardest so they can develop and improve.

If you think the current team has real potential to become a championship contender, then it makes sense if you want to start adding the veterans now. I just don't think they're close yet, so it's way too early to start plugging holes.

Im not sure you understand the concept of my posts.
re-read them and then come bck to me with an arguement, because I don't feel like repeating myself numerous times just so you can come at me with the same arguement thats went down 10 posts up.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

After reading all of OptimusRhyme's posts, I don't think he was arguing for the addition of any veteran players to the team. I think he simply wasn't advocating the idea of a losing mentality. In other words, he's fine with the current make up of the team. Let them play hard and try to win and let the chips fall where they may.

If they make the playoffs, so be it. If not, they did thier best and gained some valuable experience.

Exactly. your like the poster I never had!

 

[FakeInjury]

I agree with the idea of ditching the loose first mentality. I just think if would be easier to ditch with a 20 and 10 guy, in addition to our current roster. No matter what anyone says about Randolph, know this. In 2001 Randolph was picked 19th by Portland. The only players around worth more than Randolph(talent wise) that also got drafted that year are Pau Gasol, Joe Johnson, Jason Richardson(iffy), Richard Jefferson, Eddy Curry(iffy), Tony Parker(shouldn't count), Gerald Wallace, Mehemet Okur(iffy) and last but not least Gilbert Arenas. Only Tony Parker has won a Championship out of this group. Which means one of the other guys is due. Or it doesn't. Either way, Randolph is a top ten talent in his draft class, and trading Moore and SAR for top ten talent is a sure thing. I want this trade, because it doesn't hurt, and his attitude can only help. We are a soft team, mentally and physically, without Artest. I feel strongly about Zach's game, he's a south paw, with a weight problem, when does that not equal a very servicable NBA player. I'm already signed off on this no-brainer(not so much anymore).

 

[FakeInjury]

Well I suppose at least you are consistent -- if you are not going to recognize the necessity of a rebuild in the first place, no reason not to become instantly impatient and want to short circuit it as soon as we start, right?

What you don't understand with all the standard "winning is the demeanor of any real team" nonsense, is you're not trying to win. Or rather not understanding how to win. You might as well paint a big ole L on your forehead, walk into a prison shower and pick up a bar of soap. There are rules and tactics to every game. And none of them, and I mean basically none of them, involve constantly charging forward as hard as you can for every instant and every moment. The very essence of tactics is knowing how to conserve your strength, how to build it, and how and when to apply it. What you suggest is nothing more nor less than fool's gold. There is a reason that substance garnered its name.

Now is the time to build strength. To take a break and develop players and acquire assets. That is what a rebuild is. Done well, and with cap room maintained, in two years we will be maybe be ready to make some noise again. Done poorly, half assed and short circuited by impatience, we never will.

I agree. But "Short Circuit" was such a good movie.*Pout*. You are probably right. It am being incredibly impatient with everyone on the kings roster. Trade declined for the betterment of the strength and confidence of the whole.

 

[NME]

I agree. But "Short Circuit" was such a good movie.*Pout*.

SAR and Moore for Johnny-Five and a robot to be named later.

 

[Telemachus]

Or like our very own Shareef Abdur-Rahim

You could call SAR the a best player on teams that didn't make the playoffs. But I have never heard anyone refer to him as selfish. He has always handled himself in a very professional manner.

 

[uolj]

After reading all of OptimusRhyme's posts, I don't think he was arguing for the addition of any veteran players to the team. I think he simply wasn't advocating the idea of a losing mentality. In other words, he's fine with the current make up of the team. Let them play hard and try to win and let the chips fall where they may.

If they make the playoffs, so be it. If not, they did thier best and gained some valuable experience.

Ok, great. But who's he talking to then? Who's arguing for a loser mentality? I don't see anybody.

The posts I quoted were rebuttals to non-existent arguments. That's all I'm saying. If OptimusRhyme knows that nobody is making those claims, then we're all good (although it's a little odd to be posting rebuttals to them).

 

[SacKings7]

You could call SAR the a best player on teams that didn't make the playoffs. But I have never heard anyone refer to him as selfish. He has always handled himself in a very professional manner.

That's what I am calling him (in the past). My fault, I forgot to bold that part of the original quote

 

[CruzDude]

There is a reason Zach has bounced around for such a good player. He is another RonRon only left handed. Volatile, powerful, a star in wolf's clothing for sure, likely his own worst enemy. Remind you of someone? Sure he has talent but no chance he fits in the Kings youth mix now. On to the next thread.

 

[Entity]

There is a reason Zach has bounced around for such a good player. He is another RonRon only left handed. Volatile, powerful, a star in wolf's clothing for sure, likely his own worst enemy. Remind you of someone? Sure he has talent but no chance he fits in the Kings youth mix now. On to the next thread.

Cruz I hate to critique you but, Zach has only played for 2 teams. I think using the phrase "bounced around" is somewhat unfounded. Now Mikki Moore has bounced around. Now I by no means want Randolph here just thought I would throw that out there.

 

[FakeInjury]

Youth movements don't need Randolph's game, or contract. I still want to watch the kings, but i have to say...The kings have a decidedly unexciting front court(unless Thompson starts)

 

[Entity]

Youth movements don't need Randolph's game, or contract. I still want to watch the kings, but i have to say...The kings have a decidedly unexciting front court(unless Thompson starts)

Even if Mikki starts you have to think he isn't going to play 48 min and neither is Brad. Now the last 2 years Ron has taken up quite a few min at the PF position, sometimes up to the 15 min mark and sometimes as many as 20. Now we don't have a post dominate SF like Ron anymore those min have to go to somebody be it Thompson or Sheldon. I also expect Hawes to get more work now being able to go through camp and no injury to start the season.
I fully expect to see Thompson, Hawes, and Williams for a combined 35-40 min a game with Williams getting the least of the 3.

 

[beb0p]

Either way, Randolph is a top ten talent in his draft class, and trading Moore and SAR for top ten talent is a sure thing. I want this trade, because it doesn't hurt, and his attitude can only help. We are a soft team, mentally and physically, without Artest. I feel strongly about Zach's game, he's a south paw, with a weight problem, when does that not equal a very servicable NBA player. I'm already signed off on this no-brainer(not so much anymore).

I'm for getting Randolph too. Not because I want to make the playoff, quite the contrary, Randolph will guarantee we finish near or at the bottom. In fact, I want us to get Marbury too! Imagine a dynamic duo of two selfish players who never pass and allergic to defense?! They'll practically ensure us a top three pick next summer! ... And the summer after that... and the summer after that summer!

And in the meantime, we're treated to seeing Randolph go one on three every trip down. I mean, who don't like to see 20-foot, off balance circuit shots from your PF?

 

[FakeInjury]

if hes averaging 20 and 10, he's worth taking a look at. Guys with talent, don't suddenly forget how to play. His contract, and his demands for playing time, and other personality traits are the holdups. I'm glad we discussed this, because now, at least, I can move on to a more plausible trade scenario.

 

[gunks]

If I may...

I would like to present a clip of Randolph's amazing handles and ability to attempt (key word here) a shot from well behind the 3 pt line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j1q6osDAEc


What a showcasing of guard skills from the big fella

 

[CruzDude]

Cruz I hate to critique you but, Zach has only played for 2 teams. I think using the phrase "bounced around" is somewhat unfounded. Now Mikki Moore has bounced around. Now I by no means want Randolph here just thought I would throw that out there.

You're right. My bad. I thought he had been on 3 teams already and about now to make it 4. Bad choice of words. But we both agree he is not for Kings.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Personally, I just want to see the young guys play next year, win or lose. If we lose, then we get an awesome draft pick. If we win, then great, we're well on our way to developing a contender. Just as long as it's with Beno/Martin/Garcia/Greene/Thompson/Hawes playing significant minutes, and with as little interference from the Moore/Miller/Salmons crowd as possible.

 

[kingsnation]

If we acquired Randolph, it would do SOOOOO much more damage than good.

Trust me, if Randolph was a difference maker (as far as wins and losses) he would not have been sent out of Portland. AND the Knicks would not have been sucking so bad.

If we got rid of Artest because he was a distraction, why would we go out of our way to get another one?

Also, we would be stunting JT's growth.

And, taking on an awful salary...

The list goes on and on and on...

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i'm cool with trading for zach to ship him right back out to another team for an ender. 3 way trade anybody?

 

[Vlade4GM]

i'm cool with trading for zach to ship him right back out to another team for an ender. 3 way trade anybody?

Why wouldn't the knicks just trade him directly to the team that's willing to give up an ender for him?

 

[DaMan]

This is a joke right???