Yi Wants Trade? The drama continues...

[Kingster]

Holy Molie

Portland, Seattle Boston, Chicago, GS, Sacto.

Cross GS off the list for sure.

Cross Seattle off the list. They're have their three 6'9" frontcourt already.

Portland - they already unloaded big ammo in their trade.

Chicago and Sacto are left.

Am I engaging in incredible wishful thinking or is this for real?

Is there anybody that can verify these teams for me?

Thanks.

 

[Jerryaki]

I guess I'm in the minority but I don't want a player who thinks he's better than the whole NBA and can join the draft yet pick and choose which teams he'll accept. I'm willing to bet Greg Oden might have wanted to go somewhere else as well as Kevin Durant, but you didn't see them pouting and refusing to honor their selection.

I personally have a strong dislike for the idea of the Chinese government having a say in how the NBA and, in particular, a certain team operates. What's next? They demand Yi get more minutes or they yank him back to China?

Sorry. Let somebody else have him.

i'd rather not have china be able to have a say in NBA matters, either, but i don't think that's the direction the nBA is willing to take. we are the ones courting china's millions upon millions of potential consumers, and this is just the reality of the business side of this sport.

as for picking and choosing, i give him a pass. different culture, transplanting himself into america, and you gotta remember that this is a job like anything else. people want a situation they can feel comfortable in, and milawaukee (with it's reported 27,500 asian population) is certainly less palatable than the "approved" cities.

 

[Packt]

that pick needs to be lotto protected.. then top 10.. then top 5 or something like that bc we're gonna suck for a few years. we could end up sucking as bad as the knicks and give up a top 5 pick.

Top 3 protected, if necessary. Next years draft doesn't look that good, that's why this was the year to tank. If you could get Yi, that's two high picks this year alone. You can afford to send away next years pick.

The possibility of replacing their pick is what should be tantalizing to the Bucks. We're rebuilding, have a new inexperience coach, and play in a tough conference. The possibility of a high pick is good.

 

[Rockmeister]

Portland, Seattle Boston, Chicago, GS, Sacto.

Cross GS off the list for sure.

Cross Seattle off the list. They're have their three 6'9" frontcourt already.

Portland - they already unloaded big ammo in their trade.

Chicago and Sacto are left.

Am I engaging in incredible wishful thinking or is this for real?

Is there anybody that can verify these teams for me?

Thanks.

Your post doesn't make any sense. Care to elaborate?

 

[D-Mass]

Portland, Seattle Boston, Chicago, GS, Sacto.

Cross GS off the list for sure.

Cross Seattle off the list. They're have their three 6'9" frontcourt already.

Portland - they already unloaded big ammo in their trade.

Chicago and Sacto are left.

Am I engaging in incredible wishful thinking or is this for real?

Is there anybody that can verify these teams for me?

Thanks.

If you're right, I'd say we're VERY much in the discussion, especially since Chicago took Noah.

 

[HndsmCelt]

First let me point out I called this one right out of the gate when I said Yi would not play for the Bucks.

Second let me say Yi CAN be had it's jsut a question of making the right offer. Not sure if Artest and a future pick is going to be the best offer they get but it could well be the best offer they get from an APROVED team. And that is the key, look at the other teams on the list and size them up. In actuallity this could be a golden opertunity to gut our roster, bring in youth and maybe even aquire an exiring contract in the process. I hope Petre is really working on this one!

Thirdly I'd like to point out the really flawed analysis of why Milwaukee was not aproved but Sac was. The Chinese government could care less aobut howmany Chinese Americans live in a city in the US, their concern is that THEIR citicezens get as much exposure to the player as possible. So the teams on the list were exclusivley teams that get international exposure and whose ownership could provide network access to boradcast games.

Why is this important to the Kings?

Well here is your golden ticket Charlie: The Kings are one of the only NBA teams to play exibition in China, the owners also have a solid cable network deal for intents and purposes providing their own network feed. So... If GP REALLY wnat to get the Yi deal done he should no only be making best offers to the Bucks but the Maloofs should be making back presure offers to Yi's handlers/The Chinese Govt. for cable deals and more Sac Houston preseason games.

 

[HndsmCelt]

I guess I'm in the minority but I don't want a player who thinks he's better than the whole NBA and can join the draft yet pick and choose which teams he'll accept. I'm willing to bet Greg Oden might have wanted to go somewhere else as well as Kevin Durant, but you didn't see them pouting and refusing to honor their selection.

I personally have a strong dislike for the idea of the Chinese government having a say in how the NBA and, in particular, a certain team operates. What's next? They demand Yi get more minutes or they yank him back to China?

Sorry. Let somebody else have him.

To be fair none of this is about Yi as a player or a person. He may or may not care much where he plays. The Chinese Gov is trying to protect what they see as their asset and IF the NBA is going to go international the NBA has to be more culturally sensitive. The Chinese want their people to be able to see their star play, Im not sure that is all that unreasonable, they were up front from the start about only aproving teams they felt could provide what THEY want. They are a collectivist culture and often that is hard for us to understand but again if he NBA wants to be international it will have to acomadate different cultures in many aspects, this is one of them.

 

[nbrans]

Portland, Seattle Boston, Chicago, GS, Sacto.

Cross GS off the list for sure.

Cross Seattle off the list. They're have their three 6'9" frontcourt already.

Portland - they already unloaded big ammo in their trade.

Chicago and Sacto are left.

Am I engaging in incredible wishful thinking or is this for real?

Is there anybody that can verify these teams for me?

Thanks.

There are way more teams on the "approved" list, including Atlanta, LA Lakers, LA Clippers, Phoenix, Boston, I'm sure NY Knicks and NJ Nets.... it's not just down to us and Chicago. And if anything, now that GS has Brandan Wright they could probably get it done very easily.

Yi's not coming to Sacramento. I wish he were, but he's not.

 

[bozzwell]

I guess I'm in the minority but I don't want a player who thinks he's better than the whole NBA and can join the draft yet pick and choose which teams he'll accept. I'm willing to bet Greg Oden might have wanted to go somewhere else as well as Kevin Durant, but you didn't see them pouting and refusing to honor their selection.

I personally have a strong dislike for the idea of the Chinese government having a say in how the NBA and, in particular, a certain team operates. What's next? They demand Yi get more minutes or they yank him back to China?

Sorry. Let somebody else have him.

I'm with you. Actually, unless Bucks did this on purpose in order to trade him and extract some extra asset that they couldn't have otherwise, I would love Bucks to make a stand here and tell him that he is either signing with them or he can stay in China.

Enough is enough, Kobes, Carters of this league have already exorted their teams at will when it suited them, but at least they first estabilished themselves and their marquee value. This ***** dunked on chairs in practice and he is making a "power play" already?

 

[Gargamel]

Hawes+Ron for Yi+Skinner

You may be onto something. Kent Benson, Brian Winters, Jack Sikma, Paul Mokeski, Randy Breuer, Brad Lohaus, Pace Mannion, Larry Krystkowiak, Fred Roberts, Danny Schayes, Marty Conlon, Joel Przybilla, Dan Gadzuric, Keith Van Horn, Toni Kukoc, and Andrew Bogut.

Believe me...Spencer Hawes would do well there. Guys like KAJ and Yi don't.

 

[bozzwell]

To be fair none of this is about Yi as a player or a person. He may or may not care much where he plays. The Chinese Gov is trying to protect what they see as their asset and IF the NBA is going to go international the NBA has to be more culturally sensitive. The Chinese want their people to be able to see their star play, Im not sure that is all that unreasonable, they were up front from the start about only aproving teams they felt could provide what THEY want. They are a collectivist culture and often that is hard for us to understand but again if he NBA wants to be international it will have to acomadate different cultures in many aspects, this is one of them.

I respectfully disagree. Chinese Gov does not equal Chinese people, let alone Chinese culture. I would agree if Chinese Gov sought to protect their own league and their own national team by setting certain conditions. Former Yugoslavia did not allow players to go abroad until they are 26 and our league and NT were much stronger back then. I get that, governament invested (in socialism it did invest heavily in sports and athletes) and it should reap some benefits. But governaments seeking to use players for what amounts to "branding" and to promote better image is not something that NBA or Bucks should concern themselves with.

 

[Gargamel]

Enough is enough, Kobes, Carters of this league have already exorted their teams at will when it suited them, but at least they first estabilished themselves and their marquee value. This ***** dunked on chairs in practice and he is making a "power play" already?

Kobe and his camp did scare the Nets away from taking him in 96.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

I'd be surprised if it actually were Yi making the demand, more likely it's his trainers, countrymen back home, etc. If the Kings even have a chance at him, GP better be pitching our deal as hard as he can...but I won't get my hopes up. It would be nice if we could get the deal done AND keep Hawes. If you grab Yi, suddenly the Hawes pick looks pretty good. I'd go so far as to part with Ron and Mike to get it done, because they're not a part of the future anyway.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Kobe and his camp did scare the Nets away from taking him in 96.

That politley over looked the Kobelets falt out demad to be traded to the lakers before ever suiting up in the NBA.

 

[bozzwell]

Kobe and his camp did scare the Nets away from taking him in 96.

did not know that and I forgot that Kobe was picked by Hornets and then traded.

 

[JJ_Evans]

I hope we don't get this dude. I already hate his cocky attitude. Demanding trades when he hasn't proven a damn thing!

 

[Gargamel]

That politley over looked the Kobelets falt out demad to be traded to the lakers before ever suiting up in the NBA.

NJ was the only team prior to 13 that has since admitted they were actually going to draft him. Charlotte didn't want him either, making it impossible to figure how low he would've dropped on his own (risky pick back then, first HS guard ever, only 2nd HSer taken since 75).

 

[Kingster]

I guess I'm in the minority but I don't want a player who thinks he's better than the whole NBA and can join the draft yet pick and choose which teams he'll accept. I'm willing to bet Greg Oden might have wanted to go somewhere else as well as Kevin Durant, but you didn't see them pouting and refusing to honor their selection.

I personally have a strong dislike for the idea of the Chinese government having a say in how the NBA and, in particular, a certain team operates. What's next? They demand Yi get more minutes or they yank him back to China?

Sorry. Let somebody else have him.

Totally disagree (I know, what else is new? ). He's a free agent. He's not beholden to any team. He can stay home if he wants. He told everybody who he would play for and the Bucks slapped his face. I don't blame him a bit for wanting to be around his "people". Not exactly something that is good in a culture in which "face" is important. I'd take him in a heartbeat for the right deal.

Now the guys who are under contract like Kobe and Pierce, that's an entirely different story.

 

[Kingster]

Your post doesn't make any sense. Care to elaborate?

See preceeding posts. These are the teams (I think) that Yi said he would play for - the only teams. My comments refer to the ammo, or lack thereof, that these teams can use in trading for him from the Bucks.

 

[HndsmCelt]

NJ was the only team prior to 13 that has since admitted they were actually going to draft him. Charlotte didn't want him either, making it impossible to figure how low he would've dropped on his own (risky pick back then, first HS guard ever, only 2nd HSer taken since 75).

My point was that the Kobelet entered the draft with no intention of palying for almost any team that drafted him not named the Lakers. To be fair Doug Christie pulled a much similar stunt him self.

In both cases (and there other examples) When players have refused to play for the teams that drafted them we call them brats and move on. In Yi's case it's unclear what his personal position on all this is. If the Kings can take advantage of the situation by nabing Yi I have no problem with that. I certinally never criticezed the Lakers for taking the Kobelet or Christie.

 

[Gargamel]

I hope we don't get this dude. I already hate his cocky attitude. Demanding trades when he hasn't proven a damn thing!

Yi's desire to not be in Milwaukee is why Chinatowns exist. He's doing what thousands of other foreign borns do when they stake out a life here. I'm personally more willing to cut him more slack than I am for an American who refuses to play in Utah.

 

[Kingster]

There are way more teams on the "approved" list, including Atlanta, LA Lakers, LA Clippers, Phoenix, Boston, I'm sure NY Knicks and NJ Nets.... it's not just down to us and Chicago. And if anything, now that GS has Brandan Wright they could probably get it done very easily.

Yi's not coming to Sacramento. I wish he were, but he's not.

Ok, thanks for the info. Good point about Wright.

 

[Kingster]

To be fair none of this is about Yi as a player or a person. He may or may not care much where he plays. The Chinese Gov is trying to protect what they see as their asset and IF the NBA is going to go international the NBA has to be more culturally sensitive. The Chinese want their people to be able to see their star play, Im not sure that is all that unreasonable, they were up front from the start about only aproving teams they felt could provide what THEY want. They are a collectivist culture and often that is hard for us to understand but again if he NBA wants to be international it will have to acomadate different cultures in many aspects, this is one of them.

Agreed.

 

[Gargamel]

My point was that the Kobelet entered the draft with no intention of palying for almost any team that drafted him not named the Lakers. To be fair Doug Christie pulled a much similar stunt him self.

In both cases (and there other examples) When players have refused to play for the teams that drafted them we call them brats and move on. In Yi's case it's unclear what his personal position on all this is. If the Kings can take advantage of the situation by nabing Yi I have no problem with that. I certinally never criticezed the Lakers for taking the Kobelet or Christie.

I gotcha, but Christie didn't force a trade to LA like Kobe. His was a contractual dispute before the days of the rookie scale. He and Jon Barry were both dealt by the teams that drafted them because they refused to accept the money they were being offered. Jim Jackson missed 50 or so games while haggling (making the 93 Mavs the worst team of all time, bar none). Zo missed about 10 or so games too.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I guess I'm in the minority but I don't want a player who thinks he's better than the whole NBA and can join the draft yet pick and choose which teams he'll accept. I'm willing to bet Greg Oden might have wanted to go somewhere else as well as Kevin Durant, but you didn't see them pouting and refusing to honor their selection.

I personally have a strong dislike for the idea of the Chinese government having a say in how the NBA and, in particular, a certain team operates. What's next? They demand Yi get more minutes or they yank him back to China?

Sorry. Let somebody else have him.

I agree with your stance on the Chinese gov't dictating control of their players, and I think that is the larger problem than Yi trying to be better than the draft. I am not sure if he is even making his own decision there. But as I understand it the Chinese are very demanding of their players. I seem to remember lots of concern with Peja wearing down due to his commitment to his national team which probably pales in comparison to what the Chinese expect.

Still I'd be receptive to a move for Yi if it didn't cost us too much. Pairing him with Hawes could be interesting. I see Mo Williams is an unrestricted free agent, is he expected to re-sign? Bibby and next year's first rounder for Yi and Williams S&T?

PS if Oden doesn't want to be in Portland he needs to go to LA where his Oscar will be waiting for him at the airport. I always thought he looked like a 40 year old man but watching him yesterday and today I actually believe he just might really be 19.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I wrote possibly the biggest email possible to kings@arcoarena. Do people actually read the emails they get? I just recieved the exact same email that I got after I emailed them about the black jerseys which leads me to believe emailing them is pointless as they aren't read. Anyone know?


I would be so happy if we could land Yi. I don't think we have the players to get it done though, and if we do, I'm not sure GP finds Yi very desirable at the price that will have to be paid, even if he was high on him at the draft. I pray I'm wrong and that we trade for him.

 

[TaxMan]

Hehe -- that would be incredibly ironic. The Bucks, who passed over Wright to get Yi, then turn around and trade Yi for Wright and say, sorry about that kid.

Not sure what, if any rules would apply there. Wright just got traded...or his draft position did. He's not even under contract yet. So you are just trading rights...? can you combine those? Or is the two month window activated? You would think that that would be...iimpolite really, adn Golden State wouldn't do it. But this is a full on Nellieball team now, so wildness and wackiness of all kinds is already the course of the day (amazing how it took don literally half a season to take a sad little team and turn it right back into the same distinctively wacky nellieball team he has coached for decades).

The SF Chronical today was reporting that Mullin really wanted Wright all along, and all the Yi talk was a smokescreen. However, not sure I totally buy that.

As a side note - it was interesting listing to KNBR this morning and hearing fans compare the Richardson for Wright deal with the Richmond/Owens deal from the past. There are a number of similarities - Both times, Warriors a small, high scoring team. Both coached by Nelson. Both times trading a highly regarded SG for a post player. Of course hard to compare Owens/Wright, but GS must be hoping history doesn't repeat.

 

[Double-K]

I hope we don't get this dude. I already hate his cocky attitude. Demanding trades when he hasn't proven a damn thing!

Just like the early Yao and Wang Zhizhi (who thought he's the next big thing and stopped attending the Chinese National Team practice for the NBA, got cut by both the national team and Mavs, found out the truth the hard way and apologized to China government), none of them have a say about stuff like these.

 

[uptempo-kings]

NJ was the only team prior to 13 that has since admitted they were actually going to draft him. Charlotte didn't want him either, making it impossible to figure how low he would've dropped on his own (risky pick back then, first HS guard ever, only 2nd HSer taken since 75).

kobe, kobe, kobe why does it even matter kobe will be out of a lakers uniform, b4 the season starts, and yi will not be in a bucks uni.

 

[Bricklayer]

See preceeding posts. These are the teams (I think) that Yi said he would play for - the only teams. My comments refer to the ammo, or lack thereof, that these teams can use in trading for him from the Bucks.

Thing is, that the intial "approved" teams for Yi wee the approved teams in the lottery, where he was likely to be picked. But if he's up for a trade all of a sudden, then EVERY team in the elague can get in on the action. Adn while they may not all be approved themselves, it dramatically opens up the pool. The Lakers pop up. Houston. Miami. Chicago. Both Finals participants etc. etc.

In any case, I want and hope this is beign as strongly pursued as possible. One Hawes acquisition alone is a bit shaky, and just a dribble. But if we came ouot of the draft essentially with both Hawes and Yi as the new frontcourt, and still had Kevin, we'd be over half way home to an eventual young starting lineup. Of course they might not all pan out, but it would still be the same thing as gettign two Top 10 picks in this draft and set the stage for our future flavor.