Yi Wants Trade? The drama continues...
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ParniValjak
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I would love to get Yi but I am not sure we have the pieces that Bucks would like for him.
Artest is possible but he is a headcase, practically in last year of his deal as such is not worth a pick 6 in this draft!!!!!
I hope Petrie can pull it off though!!!
Artest is possible but he is a headcase, practically in last year of his deal as such is not worth a pick 6 in this draft!!!!!
I hope Petrie can pull it off though!!!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This is remarkable. I'm not sure I have ever seen a franchise ballsy enough to say bite me to a player who told them to go away and draft him anyway. And then for that player, or at least his reps, to turn around and actually take it to the point of demanding a trade the day after being drafted?? Wow. Can you imagine the response from the fans if they DON'T trade him?Heck, for that matter can you imagine being a Bucks fan -- this is really chicken****.
But you almsot have to wonder if the Bucks weren't anticipating all this. Out of the blue it turns out they ae focused on Yi. He refused to meet with them or work out for them. Brandon Wright is still on the board. So is Noah. But they just come out of left field, get all determined, and take Yi anyway. Have to wonder if they might not have been thinking of potential traes when they did it. Wonder how Golden State must feel right now -- might have jumped the gun on that B. Wright trade if Yi was really the guy they wanted all along.
In any case, remarkable. And I remain oddly tolerant of this behavior probably because I am still hoping it will benefit us. Not that a Hawes/Yi frontcourt wouldn't have the potential to be every bit as soft as Bogut/Villanueva, but at least it would be a fresh start, with a potential star, the young frontcourt would be in place, and we could all just settle back and pray that they hit the weight room and start rebounding/defending. I would also in that case be very much in favor of Justin Williams getting moved up in the rotation to the significant minute third big man to provide the things the starters might not.
But yes, still be tough. We are suffering from a near terminal case of nobody-wants-our-crapitis. Since the trade will go on into the free agency period, be a long time for teams to work out sweetening their deals, and unless we somehow wowed them right off the bat, we would be forced to have to outbid virtually the entire league. be offers from all over the place.
But you almsot have to wonder if the Bucks weren't anticipating all this. Out of the blue it turns out they ae focused on Yi. He refused to meet with them or work out for them. Brandon Wright is still on the board. So is Noah. But they just come out of left field, get all determined, and take Yi anyway. Have to wonder if they might not have been thinking of potential traes when they did it. Wonder how Golden State must feel right now -- might have jumped the gun on that B. Wright trade if Yi was really the guy they wanted all along.
In any case, remarkable. And I remain oddly tolerant of this behavior probably because I am still hoping it will benefit us. Not that a Hawes/Yi frontcourt wouldn't have the potential to be every bit as soft as Bogut/Villanueva, but at least it would be a fresh start, with a potential star, the young frontcourt would be in place, and we could all just settle back and pray that they hit the weight room and start rebounding/defending. I would also in that case be very much in favor of Justin Williams getting moved up in the rotation to the significant minute third big man to provide the things the starters might not.
But yes, still be tough. We are suffering from a near terminal case of nobody-wants-our-crapitis. Since the trade will go on into the free agency period, be a long time for teams to work out sweetening their deals, and unless we somehow wowed them right off the bat, we would be forced to have to outbid virtually the entire league. be offers from all over the place.
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Dime Dropper
All-Star
With the way the draft went last night, I'm not even going to hope for a Yi trade. GP is obviously happy where he is. 
nebs
Starter
If he doesn't want to be in Milwaukee why would he want to come to Sacramento? Because we are close to the Bay Area? Were the Kings "permitted to attend" his workouts?
If they do trade him, one would think that they would have better options to choose from than what we have to offer.
If they do trade him, one would think that they would have better options to choose from than what we have to offer.
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Dime Dropper
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ParniValjak
All-Star
But from one aspect, it serves them right!!!!!
They wanted to play cheeky buggers and they will probably have egg on their faces. They tried to be too smart and might have just outsmarted themselves in the process!
Make no mistake this is a HUGE slap in the face for Bucks. While I agree that if we still didn't have some chances of getting him now, I wouldn't be tolerant to Yi's demands but I would equally be as pissed off if my team drafted a player that has continually said he will not play for my team.
I hope we can made a deal but I just don't see us having the pieces that Bucks would be interested in and I am not fan of trading future 1st round picks especially when we are in a state that we are in now.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
We were one of the teams that got approved.
Now, uncertain how much that means given that now the entire league will be in play and who knows there may be new attempts to force him to a good, high profile team ow whatever. But still , Sacto was approved. Is West Coast, close to the Bay Area, and I will remark again, is a franchise that in the recent past was very prominent internationally and even toured China with Yao.
In any case, here Milkwaulkee's current contracts (I have highlighted the ones of interest):
OG -- Redd $14.5mil 4yrs
SF -- Simmons $9.3mil 3yrs
PF/C -- Skinner $5.9mil (ender, if Milwaulkee picks up option , otherwise he's a free agent)
PF/C --Gadzuric $5.8mil 4yrs
C -- Bogut $5.0mil 2 yrs
PF -- Villanueva $2.7mil 2 yrs
PG -- Greer $0.8mil (ender)
SF -- Noel $0.7mil (ender)
PF -- Markota $0.7mil (ender)
1st round pick #6 -- PF/C Yi
2nd round pick #56 -- PG Ramon Sessions
Free agents:
PG -- Boykins
PG -- Williams
PG -- Bell
SF -- Ilyasova
SF -- Patterson
Okay, why do I list all that? Well let's play a game called "score a Yi". What do we know:
1) the Bucks have been a soft pansy-*** organization playing wimpy small ball, and their roster has been choked to death with PGs, SFs and soft bigs
2) BUT, almsot all of those PGs and SFs have become free agents all at once. Other than a late 2nd round pick and some scrubs, the only significant player at those positions still on their roster is Bobby Simmons, coming off of a season ending injury, and signed to a big contract.
3) You have to assume they want to hold onto Bogut/Villanueva. You also have to assume (ahem) that they want to hold onto Redd. Again, that is their C/PF/OG. Leaving SF and PG.
4) They have one bad contract (Gadzuric) that they might just want to move now. If Simmons is not 100% recovered, he might be a bad contract too.
5) We happen to have two very eligible veterans of significance who play EXACTLY the positions that the Bucks are now lacking. (PG and SF). They could for instance get themselves Ron Artest for free -- the #6 and Skinner (by picking up his deal). Or they could also get him by going #6 and Gadzuric if they wanted out of that contract. They could get Bibby by reupping Skinners deal and adding in Gadzuric. Or by going with Simmons and one or more scrubs. They could get real splashy and take BOTH players by combining Simmons and reupping skinner and Gadzuric. Thus clearing all their contracts at once.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This I believe to be a little faulty however -- it has been mentioned that Yi was the #6 pick in this draft, but in many drafts he would be Top 3. In some recent ones he might even have been #1. Exactly how much better than that are you going to do in a future draft than a 7'0" 250lb PF who runs like the wind? I am not eager to burn a future pick, unless its got some protections on it (let's say 2009, but not Top 5 maybe?), but the odds of a future pick of ours actually landing us so high we would have an opportunity to pick a brighter prospect than Yi are pretty low. Prefer to deal them vets of course. But...
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ParniValjak
All-Star
Actually thats a fair point!
I guess I am just hoping for Derrick Rose next year but when you look at it in that context, maybe drafting a future 1st rounder for Yi isn't such a bad idea if push came to shove!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Warming to the task -- another set of notes:
a) Jerry Reynolds made it a point to insult Gadzuric during a telecast last year. Always makes me nervous when a putative mmeber of our front office does that. Would we actually trade for that player? Does Jerry speak for the front office and they think that little of Gadz?
b) Back when Reef was a free agent, it was Milwaulkee who actually was one of his primary suitors and I think offered him the most money of anybody. Now that time has passed, and I'm not sure how much tehy or anybody is really hihg on him anymore, but maybe just maybe therei still some regard there (and hopefully no bitterness -- they have to be getting an inferiority complex from the rejections). His contract is about the same size as Gadzuric's or Skinners. he could be thrown in wiht Artest for both those guys, or the two of them together for Simmons, or if we were forced to give up a future pick with protrection, he could maybe be the bait, Reef and the future pick for Skinner (option picked up) and Yi. Or Gadzuric and Yi, again depending on how Milwaulkee views those contracts. All of those guys, Skinner, Gadz and Reef have been favorites in Milwaukee at one point or the other.
Anyway...I'd be happy to make the call on behalf of our somnulent front office and talk over all these possibilities with Grunfeld and Senator Kohl (who I've met actually on a lobbying trip -- sure he remembers me after I shook his hand one time
).
a) Jerry Reynolds made it a point to insult Gadzuric during a telecast last year. Always makes me nervous when a putative mmeber of our front office does that. Would we actually trade for that player? Does Jerry speak for the front office and they think that little of Gadz?
b) Back when Reef was a free agent, it was Milwaulkee who actually was one of his primary suitors and I think offered him the most money of anybody. Now that time has passed, and I'm not sure how much tehy or anybody is really hihg on him anymore, but maybe just maybe therei still some regard there (and hopefully no bitterness -- they have to be getting an inferiority complex from the rejections). His contract is about the same size as Gadzuric's or Skinners. he could be thrown in wiht Artest for both those guys, or the two of them together for Simmons, or if we were forced to give up a future pick with protrection, he could maybe be the bait, Reef and the future pick for Skinner (option picked up) and Yi. Or Gadzuric and Yi, again depending on how Milwaulkee views those contracts. All of those guys, Skinner, Gadz and Reef have been favorites in Milwaukee at one point or the other.
Anyway...I'd be happy to make the call on behalf of our somnulent front office and talk over all these possibilities with Grunfeld and Senator Kohl (who I've met actually on a lobbying trip -- sure he remembers me after I shook his hand one time
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Well. I agree with Bricklayer's analysis.
But IMO if we have a player who can be tradable with lottery picks of this year, that will be Kevin Martin. And they already have Redd, their only (or one of the two? Bogut?) strongest position. So... I doubt it.
Artest? Currently, he is not worthy for the #6 pick of this year.
Bibby? Maybe it works. They really need PG. Mo Will is FA, and they seem to be uncapable of paying him. Bibby has HUGE contracts, but only left two more years, and they can get good PG in next year's draft -The Draft of PG- to prepare for post Bibby. But I still doubt.
Sigh... How come we have NO tradable or valuable assets?
But IMO if we have a player who can be tradable with lottery picks of this year, that will be Kevin Martin. And they already have Redd, their only (or one of the two? Bogut?) strongest position. So... I doubt it.
Artest? Currently, he is not worthy for the #6 pick of this year.
Bibby? Maybe it works. They really need PG. Mo Will is FA, and they seem to be uncapable of paying him. Bibby has HUGE contracts, but only left two more years, and they can get good PG in next year's draft -The Draft of PG- to prepare for post Bibby. But I still doubt.
Sigh... How come we have NO tradable or valuable assets?
Bad Boy Bo
Bench
Golden State wants Yi, and now they have Wright... Hmm... you think they going to move Wright + something for Yi?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Hehe -- that would be incredibly ironic. The Bucks, who passed over Wright to get Yi, then turn around and trade Yi for Wright and say, sorry about that kid.
Not sure what, if any rules would apply there. Wright just got traded...or his draft position did. He's not even under contract yet. So you are just trading rights...? can you combine those? Or is the two month window activated? You would think that that would be...iimpolite really, adn Golden State wouldn't do it. But this is a full on Nellieball team now, so wildness and wackiness of all kinds is already the course of the day (amazing how it took don literally half a season to take a sad little team and turn it right back into the same distinctively wacky nellieball team he has coached for decades).
With the way the draft went last night, I'm not even going to hope for a Yi trade. GP is obviously happy where he is.
Except all reports are that GP was burning the phones up trying to make some moves.
You are free to wallow in your sorrow and anger if you choose, but in reality I bet most teams were trying to make moves yesterday and only a couple were able to put something together. GP doesn't operate in a vacuum, you know....
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Yet late first rounders were being bought, 2nd rounders were going for cash considerations etc. Sorry, GP may have tried to trade and I'm not bashing him for it, but if he wanted to, he could have easily nabbed another pick or two somewhere in the draft. Where have I wallowed in anger and sorrow? Please don't try to make this dramatic, I'm not criticising the pick or Hawes anymore, I'm just disappointed that no moves were made at all, but hopefully they will come soon since we have the full offseason to reform our roster.
Rockmeister
All-Star
I was surprise that the Bucks picked Yi. Once the pick was made I knew Yi would be seeking a trade.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Not necessarily that impossible. Remember this was the team with Ruben Patterson last year -- Artest is not quite the system shock as he might be elsewhere. And they desperately need defense. I would not do this...well, wihtout some hefty protections, but if you offered to give them Artest and a future #1 for Yi, its not impossible. It would save face for them, get their pick back, get a tangible benfit. if they want free of that Gadz contract, even help them financially.
nbrans
All-Star
I agree that they could use Artest, but since he's such damaged goods I can't quite see how they could pitch him as a savior.
Jechtsphere
Starter
It would be easier if we could get a third team involved that may have something the Bucks might want, I know we have little to no chance of landing him but at least there is some kind of chance, better than nothing.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Remember Brick, we wouldn't be bidding against the entire league. We'd be bidding against the original set of teams that he was ok with minus Golden State, who now probably doesn't have the ammo. If Yi is serious about this, then one can safely assume he's serious about not going to the other non-approved teams. This is exactly the type of situation that you want as a buyer, not a seller. This is interesting.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
that pick needs to be lotto protected.. then top 10.. then top 5 or something like that bc we're gonna suck for a few years. we could end up sucking as bad as the knicks and give up a top 5 pick.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
good points. which teams were approved again? i'm glad golden state is out of the picture.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I'll see if I can dig it up, or maybe somebody else can post it.
I guess I'm in the minority but I don't want a player who thinks he's better than the whole NBA and can join the draft yet pick and choose which teams he'll accept. I'm willing to bet Greg Oden might have wanted to go somewhere else as well as Kevin Durant, but you didn't see them pouting and refusing to honor their selection.
I personally have a strong dislike for the idea of the Chinese government having a say in how the NBA and, in particular, a certain team operates. What's next? They demand Yi get more minutes or they yank him back to China?
Sorry. Let somebody else have him.
I personally have a strong dislike for the idea of the Chinese government having a say in how the NBA and, in particular, a certain team operates. What's next? They demand Yi get more minutes or they yank him back to China?
Sorry. Let somebody else have him.
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