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I think Nocioni has been huge for our winning streak....why mess it up with a bum like Dalembert....he was good like 3 years ago. keep looking.
Oh come on now. Cause irreparable harm to a young team by trading away the team's oldest two vets 9 games into a season, with all of 4 good games played? Hardly. Any chemistry is brand new, and while Noc has played a role as a veteran out there, the change in attitude has come from the very kids we are talking about squishing here. They are what's driving the work ethic. Not fits in and reinforces them, not the other way around.
I think Nocioni has been huge for our winning streak....why mess it up with a bum like Dalembert....he was good like 3 years ago. keep looking.
This isn't directed fully at you LL, but I do see a lot of this about guys like Dalembert and Okafor on this board. Dalembert was #5 in blocks and rebounds last year per 48. Okafor was top 15 as well.
It's just surprising that when we're finally getting a look at bringing in a player to fill a huge gap and only having to give up KT/Nocioni types that there is so much negativity.
I'm not really making a judgment on this trade one way or the other, but winning a lot of games later > winning some games now.
It's not negativity. It's differing opinions. And each side has merit. If you look, most people who are saying not to do this particular trade are saying so precisely because they're seeing positive effort from the team right now and don't want to disrupt it.
I can understand your viewpoint, which is more based in statistics, but I also see the viewpoint of those who are looking at current results. There's room for both...without the negativity stuff.
We're all Kings fans, and we're all talking about our team with an enthusiasm I haven't seen in a very, very long time. I'd say that's pretty positive.
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We do know what chemistry we have now. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
We do know what chemistry we have now. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Wow, umm.... What? Well let's get real here. I'm not even talkin about this trade now. But Noc and KT are not part of fixing anything... And doing anything to win now is straight retarded. I love that were winning and being scappy but really??? Were not anywhere near the don't mess with a good thing talk.
We do know what chemistry we have now. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
lol that is a GREAT point! Ive officialy given this deal my stamp of approval. They are filthy indeed. How else can you explain Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol!? FILTHY!I think the one point that is overlooked here is this trade makes Boston a better team... and if Boston improves enough to win another championship, that is one less Laker championship... and, according to himself, it will be all Ron Artest's fault!
Why wouldn't you want to help Boston beat those filthy Lakers? That is a certain +1 in my book.
Nothing breeds chemistry like winning,
If we are getting these type of offers for KT and Noc right now, imagine what we could get leading up to the trade deadline? I would think, the longer we hold on to KT, the better the offers will get. But I could be wrong.
There are aspects to this deal I like. Salumbert would be a great addition to this team. But the more I think about it, why throw in Noc to boston right now? Noc has played great, and has provided a lot of leadership on the court. He plays extremely hard and sets the tone for the young guys. I don't think we can discouthe influence he has had on them.
It appears to me that Sac and Phi were talking about swapping KT for Salumbert. Then, boston came into the discussion. I would rather us try to make the KT of Dalembert work, and leave boston out of it and keep Noc for now. That way we aren't disrupting our newfound chemistry, and eliminating one of our veteran leaders. Salembert , IMO, can come in without disrupting anything if its only KT we're giving up. Then, in a month or two, when we have a better idea of what we have with this group, we can try to move Noc is a seperate deal leading up to the deadline.
I don't mind the KT for Sam D part. As previously mentioned next year we have another big expiring contract. Plus Wesphal seems to be able to get goods things out of the players so far. So maybe that, plus a change of location gives Sam a boost.
The Noc part of the trade, just isn't enough in my opinion. We need a mid-teen bound first round pick or a better prospect than Giddens.
I agree to the chemistry concerns a bit too, but maybe a move by the Front Office re a Shot Blocker, will show the players that the Front Office is being active in improving this team, which definently wasn't the case last year.
So maybe that's why we've gotten above .500 for the first time in eons?
Just sayin'...
Nocioni is a big part of that chemistry. If you've watched the games, you've seen his heart and hustle. You notice it even more in Arco. He's a very active team player, on and off the court. I just don't see trading him and KT for Dalembert and Gidden as being a big step up.
I think dumping Mason for Udoka may have already sent at least the first part of that message.![]()