Would anyone take Carmello or Amare?

[RookieOfTheDay]

Not that they're available, but assuming they are if the Knicks keep struggling, would you have any interest in one of them?

I’d rather have Amare but his uninsurable knees worry me, so I’d probably choose Carmello.

The Kings have the expiring salaries to make the trade work, too.

Not only could they realistically get Carmello but they could dump Salmons and Garcia, too.

Might take something like this to get it done.

Tyreke
Thornton
Salmons
Garcia

For Carmello

So basically the trade is Tyreke and Thornton for Carmello with the added bonus of shedding two bad contacts in Salmons and Hayes.

I’d do that trade pretty quickly.

I’m sure most of you will think I’m insane, but trust me, the feeling is mutual.

Carmello is a legit star. Something this organization hasn’t had in nearly a decade.

He’s also got a lot of prime years left and is locked up until 2015.

A lineup of

Cousins
Hayes
Carmello
Jimmer
PG from 2012 draft of FA
Thompson
Thomas

Looks pretty good. Definitely playoff caliber.

Yeah I know Carmello’s contract is steep but he’s the caliber of player who could actually be worth it if he turns your team around.
I know things aren’t working in NY, but different circumstances. They have no depth and no good PG. Denver was a top 5 team in the west for many years with Carmello so it’s been proven that a winning team can be built around him.

 

[Kings Faithful]

I've thought about it. I'm pretty sure the Knicks would be willing to part with one or the other for the right price, Amare more likely. I don't know if I'd give up Reke and Thorton for Melo though... we could end up regretting that big time in the near future.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I've thought about it. I'm pretty sure the Knicks would be willing to part with one or the other for the right price, Amare more likely. I don't know if I'd give up Reke and Thorton for Melo though... we could end up regretting that big time in the near future.

We could regret it big time, for sure. But we could also end up with a very good team and never look back. It's a gamble, but that's the case with any big trade.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Oh i can't wait to see the sh*t storm that ensues on this one. Guarantee we will get the same people in here saying we don't need these ball hogging cancers, that they are terrible fits, etc...when we currently have a team full of ball hogs and bad fits right now. I mean if people were scoffing at hypothetical deals in the offseason surrounding Cousins for Howard and Evans for Paul, then i can only imagine what will be said about Amare and Anthony. Personally I think both players are overrated. However they are both talented, all-star players who have been apart of winning teams in the past.

 

[UK_King]

The Knicks have the same problem we do, no movement, stagnant offense, ball hogs, streaky shooters who are slumping + amare needs to find a way to vary his game.

If I'm in the Knicks FO I'd be looking to package Amare, Fields, Shumpert whoever the hell they want to Boston for Rondo.

 

[VF21]

Short answer to your question...No. Past glory is no evidence whatsoever, especially in their cases, of future value. Our biggest need is a strong veteran presence - a Divac2012 if you will - and neither Amare or Carmelo could fill that role.

 

[Section 101]

I would be shocked if they were able to trade Amare with his contract and being a step slower. My money is on his knee going at any time. Microfracture is a temporary fix.

 

[bajaden]

I've never been a big fan of Melo's, so I'm not about to give up the whole ship to get him. Thats what the Knicks did! Hows that working out? That aside, there is not way in hell he would aprove a trade to come here. Amare is on the decline. He's still a good player, but there's no way I take on either guys salary.

 

[Bricklayer]

Short answer would be no.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I've never been a big fan of Melo's, so I'm not about to give up the whole ship to get him. Thats what the Knicks did! Hows that working out? That aside, there is not way in hell he would aprove a trade to come here. Amare is on the decline. He's still a good player, but there's no way I take on either guys salary.

Since when do players have to approve a trade?

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Short answer would be no.

Ah, really, Brick? I totally thought you'd be down with it. Hahaha

 

[swisshh]

I would take Amare if it was on the cheap, but I wouldn't take Melo. Amare may be too physically marred to be the same player he was in Phoenix. He can still do things though and I'd take him on the cheap.

At this point, I wouldn't touch Melo. I've never seen a city and team be so happy to get rid of a superstar player as Denver was and still is. There's a reason for that.

 

[cuad]

I wouldn't take either of them. Shamsports says that the kings payroll is $45 million, meaning we have $13 millions to throw at this guy

 

[Nighthawk1]

I wouldn't take either of them. Shamsports says that the kings payroll is $45 million, meaning we have $13 millions to throw at this guy

I see we're on the same page. I don't think it takes the $13 mill, but he's the type of SF we need. Not salmons or TrOUT or Cisco.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I wouldn't take either of them. Shamsports says that the kings payroll is $45 million, meaning we have $13 millions to throw at this guy

I approve of this move if we can get him for the price of garcia

 

[CruzDude]

Not that they're available, but assuming they are if the Knicks keep struggling, would you have any interest in one of them?

NO! or said in another way NO!

 

[cuad]

I see we're on the same page. I don't think it takes the $13 mill, but he's the type of SF we need. Not salmons or TrOUT or Cisco.

during the off season I was against it and totally behind Salmons, but now I realize that it was dumb for me to think that a team could get away with playing SGs as SFs in the NBA.

 

[ParniValjak]

No and No!

 

[Goo]

Might take something like this to get it done.

Tyreke
Thornton
Salmons
Garcia

For Carmello

So basically the trade is Tyreke and Thornton for Carmello with the added bonus of shedding two bad contacts in Salmons and Hayes.

I’d do that trade pretty quickly.


A lineup of

Cousins
Hayes
Carmello
Jimmer
PG from 2012 draft of FA
Thompson
Thomas

Looks pretty good. Definitely playoff caliber.

I'm too lazy to look up the stat for 11-12 but you're suggesting we will be better off by trading 45pt per game combine for 25pt per game? And you're expecting Jimmer/Thomas/Hayes to increase their production by 20pt per game combine?

Cousins/Hayes/Carmello/Jimmer/Thomas line up is exciting I guess

Cousins/Hayes/Carmello/Jimmer/2012 draft pg isn't any better in my eye.

On the other hand NY looks great and maybe able to give Heat a run for the money. You must be NY fans.

Chandler/Amar/Balkman/Field/Reke
+
Thornton/Bibby/Salmon

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I'm too lazy to look up the stat for 11-12 but you're suggesting we will be better off by trading 45pt per game combine for 25pt per game?

If that’s the logic, then trading Thornton and Tyreke for Kevin Durant or Lebron James would be a bad idea as well.

And you're expecting Jimmer/Thomas/Hayes to increase their production by 20pt per game combine?

Jimmer alone could increase by ten points per game easy if he was starting. I see no reason why he can’t average 17 or 18 points as a starter. Cousins will average more in time too.

On the other hand NY looks great and maybe able to give Heat a run for the money. You must be NY fans.

Chandler/Amar/Balkman/Field/Reke
+
Thornton/Bibby/Salmon

I’m not a fan of any team but the Kings and to a lesser degree the Celtics.

Yes it makes NY better. That’s why it’s such a good trade, help both teams.

You have to look at the big picture of what it does for Sacramento.

You don’t just get Carmello, you get rid of two bad contracts and two worthless players as well.

Now, with Carmello on the team, you’re suddenly a much more attractive destination for free agents. So you make a run at Dwight Howard or Deron Williams this summer and with Carmello on your team, you might actually get one of them to come here.

But even if you don’t, you still have Carmello and Cousins to build around.

 

[Mass]

I am not a big fan of Carmelo or Amare. I would not take Amare, because I don't think he is the player he used to be 3 or 4 years ago. But, if we could really have a chance to land Anthony, we should really do it. If the trade is like the one the OP suggested, I'd be totally down with it, and this is why:
1) NBA is a league of superstars. To win in this league, you need them. When you have a chance to land a superstar at the right price, you have to do it.
2) Sacramento will never be able to attract superstar FA. The only way you can get them is by trade.
3) We would become a much more attractive team. For sponsors, TV contracts, and of course good free agents. Not to mention, the Kings would be an easier product to sell (Burkle)
4) This team is showing nothing right now. We have not seen a lot of improvement in the last years. We have no system. We don't have a long term coach. So, we are not going to blow up something here.
5) Tyreke is great, and I really like him. But I'm not sure he will ever reach Carmelo's level.
6) I know, Carmelo has the reputation to be a loser. Denver improved since he left, NY did not. But NY really gave up a whole team to land him. We are talking about Reke and Thornton.
7) Last thing, I know that we would have a lot of holes in our lineup. But, once we get a real superstars, those holes would be much easier to fill.

This is just my opinion, I know that a lot of you may not agree with me. I also know that Anthony has a lot of issues. But so did Webber. In a small market like the Kings, you have to take risks. And this is a risk I would like to take. I mean, we are not the Thunder or the Bulls. We are not going to break a young winning team to get Carmelo.

Anyways, I know that this will never happen, so it's just for talking...

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I am not a big fan of Carmelo or Amare. I would not take Amare, because I don't think he is the player he used to be 3 or 4 years ago. But, if we could really have a chance to land Anthony, we should really do it. If the trade is like the one the OP suggested, I'd be totally down with it, and this is why:
1) NBA is a league of superstars. To win in this league, you need them. When you have a chance to land a superstar at the right price, you have to do it.
2) Sacramento will never be able to attract superstar FA. The only way you can get them is by trade.
3) We would become a much more attractive team. For sponsors, TV contracts, and of course good free agents. Not to mention, the Kings would be an easier product to sell (Burkle)
4) This team is showing nothing right now. We have not seen a lot of improvement in the last years. We have no system. We don't have a long term coach. So, we are not going to blow up something here.
5) Tyreke is great, and I really like him. But I'm not sure he will ever reach Carmelo's level.
6) I know, Carmelo has the reputation to be a loser. Denver improved since he left, NY did not. But NY really gave up a whole team to land him. We are talking about Reke and Thornton.
7) Last thing, I know that we would have a lot of holes in our lineup. But, once we get a real superstars, those holes would be much easier to fill.

This is just my opinion, I know that a lot of you may not agree with me. I also know that Anthony has a lot of issues. But so did Webber. In a small market like the Kings, you have to take risks. And this is a risk I would like to take. I mean, we are not the Thunder or the Bulls. We are not going to break a young winning team to get Carmelo.

Anyways, I know that this will never happen, so it's just for talking...

You see the big picture. I'm actually not the biggest Carmello fan myself but there's no denying that he's a star caliber player who would sell tickets, garner lots of media attention, make Sacramento more attractive to potential free agents, etc. This organization needs something big to shake it up and spark the fan base. Trading for Carmello would be the biggest news since trading for Webber. And like you said, it's not like we're breaking up a winning team or shipping out any all stars. It's possible NY would scoff at the trade anyways. I'm just saying that if I were Kings GM right now, I'd be calling NY and floating this trade just to see what happens. Who knows, if the Knicks are still bad in a month, maybe they're desperate enough to do it.

 

[Goo]

If that’s the logic, then trading Thornton and Tyreke for Kevin Durant or Lebron James would be a bad idea as well.

Since when when Carmello or Amare and LBJ are on the same level? Even KD is not on LBJ's level yet and KD > Carmello.

If you're suggesting Thornton and Tyreke for Howard then MAYBE it is a good trade.

Jimmer alone could increase by ten points per game easy if he was starting. I see no reason why he can’t average 17 or 18 points as a starter. Cousins will average more in time too..

Sure, Jimmer can average 18pt(6/18 shooting), but also giving up 25pt to the other team's SG.

Cousins? Howard 2nd yrs average 16pt 12rb, 3rd yrs 17/12, 4th 20/14
Even if Cousins match those you're still not going anywhere.

I’m not a fan of any team but the Kings and to a lesser degree the Celtics.

Yes it makes NY better. That’s why it’s such a good trade, help both teams
You have to look at the big picture of what it does for Sacramento.

You don’t just get Carmello, you get rid of two bad contracts and two worthless players as well.

Now, with Carmello on the team, you’re suddenly a much more attractive destination for free agents. So you make a run at Dwight Howard or Deron Williams this summer and with Carmello on your team, you might actually get one of them to come here.

But even if you don’t, you still have Carmello and Cousins to build around.

Not only making NY better but NBA final kinda better.
Make a run for Howard? Sactown? How about NY make them an offer like Thornton+Amar for Howard w/ extension?
Chandler/Howard/who care/Field/Reke + FA like RayRay and other ring chaser
Dwill? Net have much deeper pocket than Kings.

2011-12
Cousins/Hayes/Carmello/Jimmer/Thomas lotto team
2012-13
Cousins/Hayes/Carmello/Jimmer/2012 draft pg lotto team
2013-14
Cousins/2013 draft/Carmello/Jimmer/2012 draft pg first round exit at best

I bet that by 2015 kings still not any better than Melo's nugget.

 

[Uncia03]

You see the big picture. I'm actually not the biggest Carmello fan myself but there's no denying that he's a star caliber player who would sell tickets, garner lots of media attention, make Sacramento more attractive to potential free agents, etc. This organization needs something big to shake it up and spark the fan base. Trading for Carmello would be the biggest news since trading for Webber. And like you said, it's not like we're breaking up a winning team or shipping out any all stars. It's possible NY would scoff at the trade anyways. I'm just saying that if I were Kings GM right now, I'd be calling NY and floating this trade just to see what happens. Who knows, if the Knicks are still bad in a month, maybe they're desperate enough to do it.

This is incredibly short-sighted.

You really need to have more patience. Once again I'll refer you to the OKC team.
In the 2008-2009 season after 2 full seasons with Durant and a full season with Westbrook they had a total of 23 wins.
28 games into the 2009-2010 season they still were under .500, though they finished strong and ended up with 50 wins.

Now the Thunder were a bit smarter and they fired Carlisimo and made Scott Brooks the interim coach in the 2008 season. Brooks started to install his system (most notably moving Durant from the 2 to the 3) and as mentioned they ended the season with 23 wins. With a full off-season to begin working on the system that he wanted to install they ended up with 50 wins and an 8th seed spot in the 2009-2010 season.

Now the Thunder had the advantage of a normal season and a full off-season with their new coach, both luxuries the Kings don't have. Honestly, with how this season is playing out I don't think that any trade is going to 'save' this season as this compressed schedule makes it impossible to implement anything.

But from what I'm hearing from you, you'd have been an OKC fan calling to trade both Durant and Westbrook for Carmelo Anthony back in the early part of 2009 which would have been a catostrophically bad trade for OKC if something like that had gone down.

It's already been established how few games Tyreke/Thornton/Cousins have played together. When you consider it took OKC around 100 games before Durant/Westbrook finally began to figure it out, and all this under the same coach with the same system, it is just a sign of a lack of patience to be calling for a trade right now.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

denver sure lost out on that trade w/ melo. they are totally sucking it up this season. i'm sure they're kicking themselves about losing him to NYK.

 

[VF21]

denver sure lost out on that trade w/ melo. they are totally sucking it up this season. i'm sure they're kicking themselves about losing him to NYK.

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[RookieOfTheDay]

Since when when Carmello or Amare and LBJ are on the same level? Even KD is not on LBJ's level yet and KD > Carmello.

You completely missed the point.

I bet that by 2015 kings still not any better than Melo's nugget.

As if they’re on track to be better than that now.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

This is incredibly short-sighted.

You really need to have more patience. Once again I'll refer you to the OKC team.
In the 2008-2009 season after 2 full seasons with Durant and a full season with Westbrook they had a total of 23 wins.
28 games into the 2009-2010 season they still were under .500, though they finished strong and ended up with 50 wins.

Hogwash. Rather the preaching about patience and comparisons to OKC are incredibly flawed.

The Kings aren’t OKC. OKC has two stars, the Kings have zero. The idea that the Kings are somehow on the same path as OKC is folly.

But from what I'm hearing from you, you'd have been an OKC fan calling to trade both Durant and Westbrook for Carmelo Anthony back in the early part of 2009 which would have been a catostrophically bad trade for OKC if something like that had gone down.

Nope. You’re not grasping my stance. At no time in Durant’s 3rd year was he as inconsistent a player as Tyreke is.

Also, LOL at the notion that Tyreke and Thornton are the equivalent of Duran and Westbrook.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

its tyreke and demarcus.

OKC has one thing going for them. they have a team that is built around their 2 stars. we don't have that currently. its a collection of talent that doesn't fit well right now.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

denver sure lost out on that trade w/ melo. they are totally sucking it up this season. i'm sure they're kicking themselves about losing him to NYK.

Is that supposed to prove something? What's the logic there? Denver are still good and the Knicks suck so that means Melo sucks? Then I guess Deron Williams sucks too because the Jazz are still good and the Nets suck.