Wolves @ Kings Game Thread

[FaStRmAn]

The team played well. Well, they didn't play down to the level of their opponent, which is growth! The Wolves look disinterested and just going through the motions. I am certainly glad we dont have Rambus the Dufus as our headcoach. Thank You Minnesota for taking that POS ex-laker as your coach! And adding Reggie to your staff assures you that the lottery is a given! Wow that was some serious suckage by the wolves!

Give the Kings credit though. They played pretty good for 3 quarters and then kinda went into cruise control at the end there. I liked the way they passed the ball. The ball movement was really working and they got open shots against the zone. Strong game by Tyreke! He should have had that trip dub, but in reality he had a great game anyway. Good job Kings, now beat the Fakers when they come to town and blow them out by 15 !! I would really be jazzed if that happened!

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't even know how to respond to that. A self-respecting team should be competitive for 48 minutes against ANY team.

That's silly. 4th quarter letdowns are common as can be in the NBA. happens all the time when the game is over, which it was. You put in your backups, who are largely not the guys who did the blowing out anyway, your intensity drops, its not really important except statistically -- would've looked a lot better winning by 30. Be nice to have the big number, but there was never any remote danger in this one. Its just numbers. Reason they call it garbagetime. Just been a long time since we've seen it to remember what it was like.

 

[Asaf]

That's silly. 4th quarter letdowns are common as can be in the NBA. happens all the time when the game is over, which it was. You put in your backups, who are largely not the guys who did the blowing out anyway, your intensity drops, its not really important except statistically -- would've looked a lot better winning by 30. Be nice to have the big number, but there was never any remote danger in this one. Its just numbers. Reason they call it garbagetime. Just been a long time since we've seen it to remember what it was like.

Look, I don't want to come off as the guy who has an agenda against Tyreke getting his numbers (look at who started the congrats thread on his first triple double), but the reason I mentioned this was because it wasn't normal garbage time energy-drop. The first 6 minutes of the fourth quarter the team just completely stopped playing basketball and started to work solely for Tyreke's triple double. They were running away from rebounds, taking bad shots off Tyreke's passes to try to get him assists, and not taking advantage of good looks because they didn't have the ball off of Tyreke's pass. And then, of course, when Tyreke was taken out, they couldn't turn the energy back on. This is exactly the reason why PW refuses to tank. Turning your effort off for external reasons can be a dangerous thing. You might not be able to turn it back on when you need to. Tyreke will get plenty of triple doubles in his career. There is no reason for the team to stop playing in order to give him another one. In fact, I think PW did Tyreke a huge favor in taking him out and reminding him that the numbers he puts up are supposed to serve the team and not the other way around.

 

[Bricklayer]

Look, I don't want to come off as the guy who has an agenda against Tyreke getting his numbers (look at who started the congrats thread on his first triple double), but the reason I mentioned this was because it wasn't normal garbage time energy-drop. The first 6 minutes of the fourth quarter the team just completely stopped playing basketball and started to work solely for Tyreke's triple double. They were running away from rebounds, taking bad shots off Tyreke's passes to try to get him assists, and not taking advantage of good looks because they didn't have the ball off of Tyreke's pass. And then, of course, when Tyreke was taken out, they couldn't turn the energy back on. This is exactly the reason why PW refuses to tank. Turning your effort off for external reasons can be a dangerous thing. You might not be able to turn it back on when you need to. Tyreke will get plenty of triple doubles in his career. There is no reason for the team to stop playing in order to give him another one. In fact, I think PW did Tyreke a huge favor in taking him out and reminding him that the numbers he puts up are supposed to serve the team and not the other way around.

Alternately it as simple as this: you are up 33 pts against the second worst team in the league going into the 4th quartter -- you let down. Happens all the time. ALL of the time. So common its barely worth more than a footnote. A couple of nights back Atlanta jumped up on Detroit 69-41...by HALF. The game was over by halftime. Then then proceeded to get outscored 36-23 in the third and 22-20 in the 4th. Why? Because the game was over, they knew it, and they simply lost their intensity. Good team too, and hardly chasing a landmark for any of their players. Its hardly even worth this many words to describe. Its annoying, but the only time it ever matters is when a team gets arrogant and starts treating games that aren't really over as if they are. This was not that case. This was done. We knew it. We let down. Had little to do with Tyreke's triple double.

 

[coolhandluke]

As far as I'm concerned,
1. Reke hasn't earned a single triple double in his career -- the only single one he has is courtesy of a "padded stat". I don't care if everybody else does the same stat padding.
2. 20-5-5 is an impressive stat (the beauty of "rounded whole numbers") -- but just tweak it to 20-5-4 or 20-4-5 or 19-5-4 or 18-5-5 and you get a whole bunch of players, not just three.

Padded triple doubles and fancy stat lines are good for your "resume" (impressive for casual observers) but what you do on the court is more important. If there is a stat for dominant play, let me know.

Reke is a great talent and I have no doubt he will be racking up triple doubles by the dozen in the coming years. One less triple double isn't the end of the world or the final nail in the coffin for ROY hopes or getting an arena built. Everyone and their mother knows that the most consistent and dominant rookie plays for Sacramento. And, I'm proud of him, dammit. He still has some ways to go to become a well-rounded superstar though.

All this fuss about a missed triple double is much ado about nothing. Does anyone worry about the many times LeBron narrowly missed triple doubles during his first couple of years? Me, neither. In the end, if you're great, you're great.

 

[gvucko]

1. Kings won
2. Reke got his triple double. Nearly got the second one.

What is the problem?

Yes, there was a little stat padding. But as long as it doesn't create any negative effect on the team and the result, by all means go for it kid!

We have to remember that despite being a tower of a PG, Reke is still a kid. And most of his teammates are kids as well. Let the kids play.

And stats do matter. Stats will bring Sacramento the spotlight, hell maybe even some extra consideration from a high profile FA (hint, hint -CB).

And yes. He will make mistakes. He will make the team pay for the stupid mistakes. But hopefully he will learn.

Just my 5 cents.

 

[Rookie]

quote from the game

''I don't think we let him (Evans) have anything, he just took it,'' Minnesota center Ryan Hollins said. ''He got to the hole and he started hitting jump shots. When he started hitting jump shots that was pretty much the end of things.'

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I can't wait till he developed that jump shot. It will be the end for all teams.
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[Casspi]

lol it was funny how people think the casspi rebound is not a good rebound
personally when i play basketball i dont care who is around me i just go for the rebounds and sometimes its just me and anther teammate jumpin for it

 

[pshn80]

All this fuss about a missed triple double is much ado about nothing. Does anyone worry about the many times LeBron narrowly missed triple doubles during his first couple of years? Me, neither. In the end, if you're great, you're great.

Agree. Personally, I thought Westphal kept Evans in way too long. At about two minutes left in the 3rd I was getting antsy to get Evans to the bench. Finally decided that its OK to leave him in until the end of the quarter. He stayed in, unnecessarily in my view, for another three or four or five minutes. All you're doing is stats. A little may be OK but not the way it was last night.

I'm not for rigging a ROY pitch. If he earns it, fine (and I happen to think he has it wrapped up). And if he doesn't get it somebody better will. In the meantime we have one hellofa player, one we can really become competitive with. I'm looking forward to that.

 

[Tetsujin]

I'm not for rigging a ROY pitch. If he earns it, fine (and I happen to think he has it wrapped up). And if he doesn't get it somebody better will. In the meantime we have one hellofa player, one we can really become competitive with. I'm looking forward to that.

The thing is that all of the other teams aren't exactly playing fair on the ROY race. Don Nelson would play Curry 55 minutes out of a 48 minute game if he could, all to simply pad stats.

 

[Bricklayer]

And if he doesn't get it somebody better will.

No, if he doesn't get it somebody better at "rigging it" will.

There is absolutely no question who the dominant rookie of this class is. There is absolutely still some question of who is going to be VOTED the dominant rookie of this season by media types who don't always watch the games and just see the hype and the numbers.

So you have to stay aware of them. Its not much different than the dilemna of an honest student in a class full of cheaters being graded on a curve. You don't want become a cheater yourself. But if everybody else is using cheat sheets to get an A on every test you are still going to get marked down.

 

[Rookie]

Let them cheat, in the long run, they'll only hurting themselves (and team). They learn nothing but to cheat and get things handed to them. Building that type of attitude will only hurt them in the long run.

In the long run getting an A doesn't mean anything, it's proving yourself throughout your career that will decide your success.

 

[Bricklayer]

Let them cheat, in the long run, they'll only hurting themselves (and team). They learn nothing but to cheat and get things handed to them. Building that type of attitude will only hurt them in the long run.

In the long run getting an A doesn't mean anything, it's proving yourself throughout your career that will decide your success.

That...is really not true. Hate to burst the idealism. Not to argue for cheating (my argument about that in sports or elsewhere has always been that if you don't play by the same rules, then you can't really say you won anything), but in the abstracted example, maybe it means you go to Sac State instead of Harvard, or in my profession essentially can never get a job at the top firms and/or as a professor because of grades you earned decades ago -- its all resume. In our bball example, as mentioned that ROY award has real financial and success effects on this franchise. With no hyperbole at all, it could mean millions of dollars, a better class of free agents interested, and being scheduled for more national TV games next year (who appears in those games are decided upon before the year even starts -- its all hype off the last year). There are consequences.

And back to the main point -- its a courtesy for a teammate to get out of the way on that play. A free rebound coming down amongst several teammates. There is no game effect whatsoever on who grabs it -- a King was gong to grab it. Just so happened it mattered to one King, and maybe even to the franchise in a worst case scenario, and not to the other. In any sport, at any level, that's a easy call to make as a teammate. I assume, BTW, that Omri would absoltely agree with and understand the statement I just made, and his fans would essentially be arguing against him. I assume it was just a mistake -- did not see him -- or lack of situational awareness.

 

[Rookie]

That...is really not true. Hate to burst the idealism. Not to argue for cheating (my argument about that in sports or elsewhere has always been that if you don't play by the same rules, then you can't really say you won anything), but in the abstracted example, maybe it means you go to Sac State instead of Harvard, or in my profession essentially can never get a job at the top firms and/or as a professor because of grades you earned decades ago -- its all resume. In our bball example, as mentioned that ROY award has real financial and success effects on this franchise. With no hyperbole at all, it could mean millions of dollars, a better class of free agents interested, and being scheduled for more national TV games next year (who appears in those games are decided upon before the year even starts -- its all hype off the last year). There are consequences.

And back to the main point -- its a courtesy for a teammate to get out of the way on that play. A free rebound coming down amongst several teammates. There is no game effect whatsoever on who grabs it -- a King was gong to grab it. Just so happened it mattered to one King, and maybe even to the franchise in a worst case scenario, and not to the other. In any sport, at any level, that's a easy call to make as a teammate. I assume, BTW, that Omri would absoltely agree with and understand the statement I just made, and his fans would essentially be arguing against him. I assume it was just a mistake -- did not see him -- or lack of situational awareness.

Sac State vs Harvard?? I believe ROY is more like guys from the same school having the same college path. He's already in Harvard, and the guy getting an A+ in his freshman year cheated (his team pad his stat) with professor assisting him (the media) to be the top freshman while the other guy had to work hard to be close 2nd. Well next year is a whole different ball game and guess who is more likely to shine?

I doubt Evans would lose much by not getting ROY. He himself is showing to have a lot more potential than any other rookie. ROY is just cherry on top. So I wouldn't say that not getting ROY would drive FA away, lose franchise money and all of that.

If Tyreke can continue to get an A grade on his own and not get handed an A, he be more better prepared next year. That is worth more than some extra $$. It's like the cow that ran instead of walking.

 

[Section 101]

That...is really not true. Hate to burst the idealism. Not to argue for cheating (my argument about that in sports or elsewhere has always been that if you don't play by the same rules, then you can't really say you won anything), but in the abstracted example, maybe it means you go to Sac State instead of Harvard, or in my profession essentially can never get a job at the top firms and/or as a professor because of grades you earned decades ago -- its all resume. In our bball example, as mentioned that ROY award has real financial and success effects on this franchise. With no hyperbole at all, it could mean millions of dollars, a better class of free agents interested, and being scheduled for more national TV games next year (who appears in those games are decided upon before the year even starts -- its all hype off the last year). There are consequences.

And back to the main point -- its a courtesy for a teammate to get out of the way on that play. A free rebound coming down amongst several teammates. There is no game effect whatsoever on who grabs it -- a King was gong to grab it. Just so happened it mattered to one King, and maybe even to the franchise in a worst case scenario, and not to the other. In any sport, at any level, that's a easy call to make as a teammate. I assume, BTW, that Omri would absoltely agree with and understand the statement I just made, and his fans would essentially be arguing against him. I assume it was just a mistake -- did not see him -- or lack of situational awareness.

In the second quarter there was a 2 on 1 fast break. Evans was on the right and Omri on the left wing. Evans had an easy pass to Omri for a layup/dunk, but he drove into the defender instead and got the 2 pts. Omri had a shocked look on his face that he didnt get the pass.

 

[Tetsujin]

In the second quarter there was a 2 on 1 fast break. Evans was on the right and Omri on the left wing. Evans had an easy pass to Omri for a layup/dunk, but he drove into the defender instead and got the 2 pts. Omri had a shocked look on his face that he didnt get the pass.

We still got the points though didn't we? And, if I'm not mistaken, we also got an And 1 out of it. Seriously, if someone gets that pissed off that the star didn't pass them the ball on a fast break, they should probably not be playig basketball.

 

[Section 101]

We still got the points though didn't we? And, if I'm not mistaken, we also got an And 1 out of it. Seriously, if someone gets that pissed off that the star didn't pass them the ball on a fast break, they should probably not be playig basketball.

There was no and one.

 

[Bricklayer]

In the second quarter there was a 2 on 1 fast break. Evans was on the right and Omri on the left wing. Evans had an easy pass to Omri for a layup/dunk, but he drove into the defender instead and got the 2 pts. Omri had a shocked look on his face that he didnt get the pass.

Unless you are arguing for retaliation by Omri, which is asinine, the two situations are not remotely comparable. Nor do I particualrly recall the play BTW, and shockingly, nor do I remotely trust your perception of anything Tyreke Evans does. He missed Noc on the kickout on one drive. everything else was good basketball -- he hit everything.

 

[Section 101]

Unless you are arguing for retaliation by Omri, which is asinine, the two situations are not remotely comparable. Nor do I particualrly recall the play BTW, and shockingly, nor do I remotely trust your perception of anything Tyreke Evans does. He missed Noc on the kickout on one drive. everything else was good basketball -- he hit everything.

I wasn't arguing either way, just pointing out what happened earlier in the game.

 

[xrzn]

I sure did pick a controversial game to miss.

 

[pshn80]

No, if he doesn't get it somebody better at "rigging it" will.

There is absolutely no question who the dominant rookie of this class is. There is absolutely still some question of who is going to be VOTED the dominant rookie of this season by media types who don't always watch the games and just see the hype and the numbers.

So you have to stay aware of them. Its not much different than the dilemna of an honest student in a class full of cheaters being graded on a curve. You don't want become a cheater yourself. But if everybody else is using cheat sheets to get an A on every test you are still going to get marked down.

So we want him and us to get a "better rigging" award? No thanks, and we get to keep Tyreke.

 

[Section 101]

We still got the points though didn't we? And, if I'm not mistaken, we also got an And 1 out of it. Seriously, if someone gets that pissed off that the star didn't pass them the ball on a fast break, they should probably not be playig basketball.

I just rewatched it. 9:27 mark in the 2nd. Evans missed the layup and Noc tipped it in. Casspi had a wipe open lane to the basket in a 2 on 1.

Why would I make or lie about something that someone can go back and look at Brick?

 

[Ed2009]

Seriously guys let not over react (I admit i also did!).
It happend and that it.
I wonder if Reke and Casspi take all of this sooo serious...i doubt about it!
Just another game-just a rebound....

 

[Bricklayer]

So we want him and us to get a "better rigging" award? No thanks, and we get to keep Tyreke.

He's already earned the award wiht an epic rookie season, now its just a question of doing what's necessary to make sure its not stolen away.